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Post by wuzza on May 6, 2017 15:58:52 GMT
To me that was a poor result.
To say it was there for the taking would be the understatement of the decade but as usual we just can't drive it home.
So many of our players play their own little games and are too prepared to just shrug their shoulders when we lose the ball / miss gilt edge chances.
Ability is there in bucket loads - winning mentality is totally lacking.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:00:38 GMT
That all comes from the management team.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on May 6, 2017 16:01:51 GMT
They bent over and lubed up their arseholes and we didn't have the bollocks to stick it in. Hughes out!
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Post by butlerstbob on May 6, 2017 16:07:45 GMT
Gutless manager, Arnie missing sitters AGAIN! Ramadan no where near being picked yet again!
Hughes wont get very long next season that's for sure! not from the fans anyroad!
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Post by dutchstokie on May 6, 2017 16:09:31 GMT
That all comes from the management team. Absolute bollocks |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:11:45 GMT
That all comes from the management team. It doesn't all come from the management. Some of it comes from seasoned international players like Shaqiri, Allen and Arnautovic who had enough good opportunities between them to put the game to bed. |
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Post by alster on May 6, 2017 16:12:35 GMT
That all comes from the management team. Absolute bollocks How is it bollox when the manager continually makes negative changes and fails to press home the advantage when we're in front. |
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2017 16:13:47 GMT
Gutless manager, Arnie missing sitters AGAIN! Ramadan no where near being picked yet again! Hughes wont get very long next season that's for sure! not from the fans anyroad! How is Arnie missing sitters down to the manager? Please explain. |
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Post by alster on May 6, 2017 16:13:47 GMT
That all comes from the management team. It doesn't all come from the management. Some of it comes from seasoned international players like Shaqiri, Allen and Arnautovic who had enough good opportunities between them to put the game to bed. The management set the tone their instincts have become negative. |
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Post by alster on May 6, 2017 16:15:07 GMT
Gutless manager, Arnie missing sitters AGAIN! Ramadan no where near being picked yet again! Hughes wont get very long next season that's for sure! not from the fans anyroad! How is Arnie missing sitters down to the manager? Please explain. You claimed that to be a good performance, says it all really. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:16:28 GMT
That all comes from the management team. Absolute bollocks No it isn't. If the players don't buy into what the management team are telling them to do then they don't perform to the best of their ability. The manager has put this team together, they're his players and nobody else's, he is the one who sets the team shape and tactics, if they aren't doing the business he is the one who has to make sure they start doing the business or he replaces them with players who can. The management team has to instill confidence into their team and get them playing to 100% of their capabilities or they aren't doing their job properly. Ultimately if a team aren't performing to the best of their ability then the manager carries the can, if he has put together a non firing team of footballers then it's his and his management teams fault 100%. Now can you give me a reasoned argument as to why what I've said is "absolute bollocks" please. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:16:47 GMT
It doesn't all come from the management. Some of it comes from seasoned international players like Shaqiri, Allen and Arnautovic who had enough good opportunities between them to put the game to bed. The management set the tone their instincts have become negative. Not having that. Arnie doesn't miss a 4 yard header because Hughes has set a tone that's just utter bollocks in my opinion. Players need to take responsibility as well.... |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:17:45 GMT
That all comes from the management team. It doesn't all come from the management. Some of it comes from seasoned international players like Shaqiri, Allen and Arnautovic who had enough good opportunities between them to put the game to bed. If those seasoned international players aren't performing to the best of their ability then the management team have to do something about it. If it's a one off game then fair enough but it's not so the manager carries the can. |
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Post by butlerstbob on May 6, 2017 16:17:49 GMT
Gutless manager, Arnie missing sitters AGAIN! Ramadan no where near being picked yet again! Hughes wont get very long next season that's for sure! not from the fans anyroad! How is Arnie missing sitters down to the manager? Please explain. Arnie missing sitters is lacking the killer instinct! Hughes lacks killer instinct see Pieters sub! I haven't said Arnie missing sitters is down to Hughes! |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:19:36 GMT
No it isn't. If the players don't buy into what the management team are telling them to do then they don't perform to the best of their ability. The manager has put this team together, they're his players and nobody else's, he is the one who sets the team shape and tactics, if they aren't doing the business he is the one who has to make sure they start doing the business or he replaces them with players who can. The management team has to instill confidence into their team and get them playing to 100% of their capabilities or they aren't doing their job properly. Ultimately if a team aren't performing to the best of their ability then the manager carries the can, if he has put together a non firing team of footballers then it's his and his management teams fault 100%. Now can you give me a reasoned argument as to why what I've said is "absolute bollocks" please. The bit where you said it's 100% his fault. Managers of course carry the can, but to devolve experienced international players of any responsibility is a cop out in my opinion..... |
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2017 16:21:07 GMT
How is Arnie missing sitters down to the manager? Please explain. You claimed that to be a good performance, says it all really. I do. And you haven't explained. Presumably that's because you can't explain as your point was nonsensical. |
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Post by alster on May 6, 2017 16:21:25 GMT
The management set the tone their instincts have become negative. Not having that. Arnie doesn't miss a 4 yard header because Hughes has set a tone that's just utter bollocks in my opinion. Players need to take responsibility as well.... Was never talking about one incident the manager has set a negative tone virtually all season which leads to a negative mentality in his players. I'm not sure we'd give Foley a good hiding we just don't look like that sort of team that will keep the hammer down and destroy any opposition no matter how poor. |
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2017 16:22:26 GMT
How is Arnie missing sitters down to the manager? Please explain. Arnie missing sitters is lacking the killer instinct! Hughes lacks killer instinct see Pieters sub! I haven't said Arnie missing sitters is down to Hughes! Just read your post again, you sure you didn't say that? That's the way it reads. |
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Post by dutchstokie on May 6, 2017 16:22:53 GMT
How is it bollox when the manager continually makes negative changes and fails to press home the advantage when we're in front. If you're the manager of something and you tell one of your staff to carry out a job, and they don't do it whose fuckin fault is it?????? There's plenty of comments on how the players haven't performed for a large majority of the season, given the talent we have It's the same every fuckin week on here-"Hughes out", "fuck him off" He ought to fuck some of the players off |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:25:47 GMT
No it isn't. If the players don't buy into what the management team are telling them to do then they don't perform to the best of their ability. The manager has put this team together, they're his players and nobody else's, he is the one who sets the team shape and tactics, if they aren't doing the business he is the one who has to make sure they start doing the business or he replaces them with players who can. The management team has to instill confidence into their team and get them playing to 100% of their capabilities or they aren't doing their job properly. Ultimately if a team aren't performing to the best of their ability then the manager carries the can, if he has put together a non firing team of footballers then it's his and his management teams fault 100%. Now can you give me a reasoned argument as to why what I've said is "absolute bollocks" please. The bit where you said it's 100% his fault. Managers of course carry the can, but to devolve experiences international players of any responsibility is a cop out in my opinion..... You have to get to the root cause of why they are not performing though and do something about it as a manager don't you? |
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Post by butlerstbob on May 6, 2017 16:25:50 GMT
Arnie missing sitters is lacking the killer instinct! Hughes lacks killer instinct see Pieters sub! I haven't said Arnie missing sitters is down to Hughes! Just read your post again, you sure you didn't say that? That's the way it reads. here you go have a read again "Gutless manager, Arnie missing sitters AGAIN! Ramadan no where near being picked yet again! Hughes wont get very long next season that's for sure! not from the fans anyroad!" I will break it down for you, it says Hughes is gutless, Arnie missed a sitter again and Ramadan not picked again! what more can I say or do? |
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Post by alster on May 6, 2017 16:29:11 GMT
How is it bollox when the manager continually makes negative changes and fails to press home the advantage when we're in front. If you're the manager of something and you tell one of your staff to carry out a job, and they don't do it whose fuckin fault is it?????? There's plenty of comments on how the players haven't performed for a large majority of the season, given the talent we have It's the same every fuckin week on here-"Hughes out", "fuck him off" He ought to fuck some of the players off If you're the manager and keep making negative scared changes don't be surprised when the outcomes are not positive. |
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2017 16:31:09 GMT
Just read your post again, you sure you didn't say that? That's the way it reads. here you go have a read again "Gutless manager, Arnie missing sitters AGAIN! Ramadan no where near being picked yet again! Hughes wont get very long next season that's for sure! not from the fans anyroad!" I will break it down for you, it says Hughes is gutless, Arnie missed a sitter again and Ramadan not picked again! what more can I say or do? It still reads to me as Gutless manager at fault for Arnie's Misses😀 |
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 6, 2017 16:31:15 GMT
You claimed that to be a good performance, says it all really. I do. And you haven't explained. Presumably that's because you can't explain as your point was nonsensical. We conceded 2 and missed some good chances to finish the game, it wasn't great. |
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Post by butlerstbob on May 6, 2017 16:33:26 GMT
here you go have a read again "Gutless manager, Arnie missing sitters AGAIN! Ramadan no where near being picked yet again! Hughes wont get very long next season that's for sure! not from the fans anyroad!" I will break it down for you, it says Hughes is gutless, Arnie missed a sitter again and Ramadan not picked again! what more can I say or do? It still reads to me as Gutless manager at fault for Arnie's Misses😀 well that isn't what I meant by it mate, although at the minute I feel like blaming him for everything else so why not  so bloody frustrating! |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:34:22 GMT
The bit where you said it's 100% his fault. Managers of course carry the can, but to devolve experiences international players of any responsibility is a cop out in my opinion..... You have to get to the root cause of why they are not performing though and do something about it as a manager don't you? Of course. There will be a wash up of the season and the general feeling will be one of underachievement. But Coates deals with Hughes daily, knows his targets and blueprint for the season ahead and will make a judgement based on that and whether he feels he still has the desire to take the job on going forward. I'm certainly not going to be over critical of the past two games though, 2 points could have and should have been 6..... |
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2017 16:35:21 GMT
I do. And you haven't explained. Presumably that's because you can't explain as your point was nonsensical. We conceded 2 and missed some good chances to finish the game, it wasn't great. Great? No. Good performance? Yes. |
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2017 16:37:27 GMT
It still reads to me as Gutless manager at fault for Arnie's Misses😀 well that isn't what I meant by it mate, although at the minute I feel like blaming him for everything else so why not so bloody frustrating! That's what frustrates me most about the message board, gets too easy to view everything as a negative and everything is the managers fault all the time,happens everywhere with every manager eventually. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:38:47 GMT
You have to get to the root cause of why they are not performing though and do something about it as a manager don't you? Of course. There will be a wash up of the season and the general feeling will be one of underachievement. But Coates deals with Hughes daily, knows his targets and blueprint for the season ahead and will make a judgement based on that and whether he feels he still has the desire to take the job on going forward. I'm certainly not going to be over critical of the past two games though, 2 points could have and should have been 6..... I don't think that Coates will get rid of Hughes but if he did it wouldn't be because rid the last two games. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:41:01 GMT
Of course. There will be a wash up of the season and the general feeling will be one of underachievement. But Coates deals with Hughes daily, knows his targets and blueprint for the season ahead and will make a judgement based on that and whether he feels he still has the desire to take the job on going forward. I'm certainly not going to be over critical of the past two games though, 2 points could have and should have been 6..... I don't think that Coates will get rid of Hughes but if he did it wouldn't be because rid the last two games. There's a third scenario. Hughes might think "fuck this" and resign. We'll see I guess.... |
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so bloody frustrating!
