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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:43:53 GMT
I don't think that Coates will get rid of Hughes but if he did it wouldn't be because rid the last two games. There's a third scenario. Hughes might think "fuck this" and resign. We'll see I guess.... Which would be him admitting he's not up to the job because i doubt he will be getting a better job offer over the summer.
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Post by RAF on May 6, 2017 16:48:21 GMT
'There for the taking'? I remember this being used when the last manager was here and it being shot down as being 'Arrogant' and 'We have no god given right to win games in this league' and 'Some of our fans have become what we always hated about other Prem fans'
But apparently it's ok now.
Fact is they should have been down to ten men and their equaliser was offside, couple that with they were fighting to stay in the Prem and have beaten some decent teams at home through the season. It was compounded by a couple of poor misses by ourselves obviously.
There for the taking?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:51:31 GMT
There's a third scenario. Hughes might think "fuck this" and resign. We'll see I guess.... Which would be him admitting he's not up to the job because i doubt he will be getting a better job offer over the summer. Or him thinking he should have enough credit in the bank to not be subjected to the current levels of discontent? If Hughes left with us say 12th/13th after three 9th places in the bounce I personally think he'd walk into another job with a similar sized club to Stoke....
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Post by butlerstbob on May 6, 2017 16:54:21 GMT
well that isn't what I meant by it mate, although at the minute I feel like blaming him for everything else so why not so bloody frustrating! That's what frustrates me most about the message board, gets too easy to view everything as a negative and everything is the managers fault all the time,happens everywhere with every manager eventually. Yes I agree, Arnie has frustrated me this season with his missed chances, Hughes has frustrated me with his mind boggling substitutions, and the lack of game time for certain players like Ramadan but some of the players have to take some blame its not all down to Hughes, and at the end of the day its another season in the big time so thats got to be a huge positive!
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Post by chonburipotter on May 6, 2017 16:55:02 GMT
That all comes from the management team. It doesn't all come from the management. Some of it comes from seasoned international players like Shaqiri, Allen and Arnautovic who had enough good opportunities between them to put the game to bed. So who signed them and selected them to play?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 16:57:42 GMT
It doesn't all come from the management. Some of it comes from seasoned international players like Shaqiri, Allen and Arnautovic who had enough good opportunities between them to put the game to bed. So who signed them and selected them to play? Fuck me us this what it's become? Player takes zero responsibility for anything and the manager must be at fault because he signed him? I hope some on here don't take the same attitude in their own workplace, they must go through bosses like there's no tomorrow.....
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Post by chonburipotter on May 6, 2017 17:00:37 GMT
How is it bollox when the manager continually makes negative changes and fails to press home the advantage when we're in front. If you're the manager of something and you tell one of your staff to carry out a job, and they don't do it whose fuckin fault is it?????? There's plenty of comments on how the players haven't performed for a large majority of the season, given the talent we have It's the same every fuckin week on here-"Hughes out", "fuck him off" He ought to fuck some of the players off Hasn't he done that already? Problem is, if he fuck's any more off we won't have enough players
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Post by chonburipotter on May 6, 2017 17:03:50 GMT
So who signed them and selected them to play? Fuck me us this what it's become? Player takes zero responsibility for anything and the manager must be at fault because he signed him? I hope some on here don't take the same attitude in their own workplace, they must go through bosses like there's no tomorrow..... Yep, he signed them, his responsibility I hope other people on here haven't been recruited by a bad manager also
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 17:06:56 GMT
Fuck me us this what it's become? Player takes zero responsibility for anything and the manager must be at fault because he signed him? I hope some on here don't take the same attitude in their own workplace, they must go through bosses like there's no tomorrow..... Yep, he signed them, his responsibility I hope other people on here haven't been recruited by a bad manager also Do you sit around on the internet all day and then blame your boss when you get caught? Players need to take responsibility, doesn't change who the ultimate fall guy is but to say otherwise is giving highly paid professionals an easy way out....
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Post by wuzza on May 6, 2017 17:12:28 GMT
'There for the taking'? I remember this being used when the last manager was here and it being shot down as being 'Arrogant' and 'We have no god given right to win games in this league' and 'Some of our fans have become what we always hated about other Prem fans' But apparently it's ok now. Fact is they should have been down to ten men and their equaliser was offside, couple that with they were fighting to stay in the Prem and have beaten some decent teams at home through the season. It was compounded by a couple of poor misses by ourselves obviously. There for the taking? H Absolutely 100% they were. Their players are not as talented as ours and they were playing badly. Our players had more than enough of the ball and more than enough chances to win it - they didn't. Argue as much as you like about whose fault it is but that is the way it has panned out and not for the first time.
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Post by chonburipotter on May 6, 2017 17:12:34 GMT
Yep, he signed them, his responsibility I hope other people on here haven't been recruited by a bad manager also Do you sit around on the internet all day and then blame your boss when you get caught? Players need to take responsibility, doesn't change who the ultimate fall guy is but to say otherwise is giving highly paid professionals an easy way out.... No i don't, but the reason we have a manager is to recruit a team, get it to perform well and then take responsibility if it doesn't You don't appear to understand this simple fact
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 17:14:06 GMT
Do you sit around on the internet all day and then blame your boss when you get caught? Players need to take responsibility, doesn't change who the ultimate fall guy is but to say otherwise is giving highly paid professionals an easy way out.... No i don't, but the reason we have a manager is to recruit a team, get it to perform well and then take responsibility if it doesn't You don't appear to understand this simple fact I understand fully. I understand the manager is the fall guy but I refuse to accept that the players take no responsibility. It's not rocket science.....
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Post by lordb on May 6, 2017 17:14:46 GMT
Do you sit around on the internet all day and then blame your boss when you get caught? Players need to take responsibility, doesn't change who the ultimate fall guy is but to say otherwise is giving highly paid professionals an easy way out.... No i don't, but the reason we have a manager is to recruit a team, get it to perform well and then take responsibility if it doesn't You don't appear to understand this simple fact They did play well today though.
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Post by chonburipotter on May 6, 2017 17:18:16 GMT
No i don't, but the reason we have a manager is to recruit a team, get it to perform well and then take responsibility if it doesn't You don't appear to understand this simple fact I understand fully. I understand the manager is the fall guy but I refuse to accept that the players take no responsibility. It's not rocket science..... No you are correct it's not. If the players don't take responsibility/perform well then the manager should sort out the problem. That's why we have a manager.........
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Post by chonburipotter on May 6, 2017 17:20:15 GMT
No i don't, but the reason we have a manager is to recruit a team, get it to perform well and then take responsibility if it doesn't You don't appear to understand this simple fact They did play well today though. Who did?
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Post by RAF on May 6, 2017 17:20:42 GMT
'There for the taking'? I remember this being used when the last manager was here and it being shot down as being 'Arrogant' and 'We have no god given right to win games in this league' and 'Some of our fans have become what we always hated about other Prem fans' But apparently it's ok now. Fact is they should have been down to ten men and their equaliser was offside, couple that with they were fighting to stay in the Prem and have beaten some decent teams at home through the season. It was compounded by a couple of poor misses by ourselves obviously. There for the taking? H Absolutely 100% they were. Their players are not as talented as ours and they were playing badly. Our players had more than enough of the ball and more than enough chances to win it - they didn't. Argue as much as you like about whose fault it is but that is the way it has panned out and not for the first time. Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what the Liverpool fans thought. Arrogance. H
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 17:25:28 GMT
Which would be him admitting he's not up to the job because i doubt he will be getting a better job offer over the summer. Or him thinking he should have enough credit in the bank to not be subjected to the current levels of discontent? If Hughes left with us say 12th/13th after three 9th places in the bounce I personally think he'd walk into another job with a similar sized club to Stoke.... Are the levels of discontent that bad though? In my opinion I don't think he's doing too badly on that front considering the shite he's served up this season.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 17:27:50 GMT
I understand fully. I understand the manager is the fall guy but I refuse to accept that the players take no responsibility. It's not rocket science..... No you are correct it's not. If the players don't take responsibility/perform well then the manager should sort out the problem. That's why we have a manager......... Let's see if he sorts it in the summer then. He's going nowhere looks like Coates is happy to give him that opportunity
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Post by wuzza on May 6, 2017 17:29:48 GMT
Absolutely 100% they were. Their players are not as talented as ours and they were playing badly. Our players had more than enough of the ball and more than enough chances to win it - they didn't. Argue as much as you like about whose fault it is but that is the way it has panned out and not for the first time. Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what the Liverpool fans thought. Arrogance. H It would be arrogance if you thought your side had a right to win in general. This is purely a reflection of how it panned out out today. The point is if you are as dominant as that you should win - it's how good teams climb the league!
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Post by chonburipotter on May 6, 2017 17:35:41 GMT
No you are correct it's not. If the players don't take responsibility/perform well then the manager should sort out the problem. That's why we have a manager......... Let's see if he sorts it in the summer then. He's going nowhere looks like Coates is happy to give him that opportunity So you agree there are things to sort out? IMO he's had opportunities already but failed to take them but you may be right about Coates giving him yet more time. I think Coates is wrong if he does
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Post by RAF on May 6, 2017 17:38:05 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what the Liverpool fans thought. Arrogance. H It would be arrogance if you thought your side had a right to win in general. This is purely a reflection of how it panned out out today. The point is if you are as dominant as that you should win - it's how good teams climb the league! Yeah like quoting teams were there for the taking. Thanks for clarifying my point. It panned out like it did today because we only had 42% of possession and only one more shot. That's hardly dominance. Shit officials and poor finishing didn't help. H
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Post by wuzza on May 6, 2017 17:48:33 GMT
It would be arrogance if you thought your side had a right to win in general. This is purely a reflection of how it panned out out today. The point is if you are as dominant as that you should win - it's how good teams climb the league! Yeah like quoting teams were there for the taking. Thanks for clarifying my point. It panned out like it did today because we only had 42% of possession and only one more shot. That's hardly dominance. Shit officials and poor finishing didn't help. H On paper our players are better than theirs....probably because we have had about 8 years more PL funding than they have. They were poor by their own standards. Some of our build up play was of good quality. We failed to nail it - we lack the instincts to kill games off. We do this too often. Quite where there is any arrogance there I fail to understand.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 17:59:01 GMT
Let's see if he sorts it in the summer then. He's going nowhere looks like Coates is happy to give him that opportunity So you agree there are things to sort out? IMO he's had opportunities already but failed to take them but you may be right about Coates giving him yet more time. I think Coates is wrong if he does There's always things to sort out....
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Post by RAF on May 6, 2017 18:41:21 GMT
Yeah like quoting teams were there for the taking. Thanks for clarifying my point. It panned out like it did today because we only had 42% of possession and only one more shot. That's hardly dominance. Shit officials and poor finishing didn't help. H On paper our players are better than theirs....probably because we have had about 8 years more PL funding than they have. They were poor by their own standards. Some of our build up play was of good quality. We failed to nail it - we lack the instincts to kill games off. We do this too often. Quite where there is any arrogance there I fail to understand. On paper Liverpool have a far superior team to ours. Bournmouth put 4 past them. Man City blow us out of the water with their players, they couldnt score against us at their place. It happens all the time. The arrogance is from their fans and subsequently ours. I can't help it if you fail to understand. H
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