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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 9:04:48 GMT
Not sure of the intricacies of loan deals and the likes, but surely, it was as obvious in January, as it is obvious now, that he did not figure in any short term plans and has barely made the bench let alone the staring XI... So why the hell did we keep him, why not send him back to Citeh, or were we contractually obliged to hold on to the useless lump of lard.
Really riles me this does...Grrrrrrrrrrr....
And to send Bojan out on loan, well what does that tell you about LMH's judgement....
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Post by Glory Hunter on Apr 27, 2017 9:09:04 GMT
Having signed Berahino, if there was an option to send Bony back and avoid the wages, it would have happened. The deal must have been a commitment for the season, without interruption (maybe barring injury). It's irritating I know, but when we got him here, there was unanimous approval for him (including me) even though he had hardly played for ages.
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Post by werrington on Apr 27, 2017 9:10:15 GMT
Not sure of the intricacies of loan deals and the likes, but surely, it was as obvious in January, as it is obvious now, that he did not figure in any short term plans and has barely made the bench let alone the staring XI... So why the hell did we keep him, why not send him back to Citeh, or were we contractually obliged to hold on to the useless lump of lard. Really riles me this does...Grrrrrrrrrrr.... And to send Bojan out on loan, well what does that tell you about LMH's judgement.... To send a player back all 3 parties have to be in agreement Me...we are paying him £80k per week to sit on the sidelines when we can't score goals so we've got him why not use him I think ultimately this deal and imbula could be the deals that have him looking over his shoulder |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Apr 27, 2017 9:10:28 GMT
Hold on, most were jizzing themselves on here when we signed Bony. Some of us were wondering if we got the Swansea or the Man City couldn't give 2 fucks version. We got the Man City lite version. Not worthy of a place in an side let alone ours. Oxygen thief.
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Post by mrred on Apr 27, 2017 9:14:05 GMT
Hughes (I'm assuming) insistence to bring him and Imbula to the squad and never play them, even in the rut we've been in for 18-19 months, even in a game to prove they aren't up to scratch... Stinks to high heaven and I hope the person / people responsible get right royally fucked for it.
Any player that's out of regular contention needs a run of 4-5 games to get back into the swing of things. Neither were given that. Same with Joselu.
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Post by MuddyWoody on Apr 27, 2017 9:16:38 GMT
Hughes (I'm assuming) insistence to bring him and Imbula to the squad and never play them, even in the rut we've been in for 18-19 months, even in a game to prove they aren't up to scratch... Stinks to high heaven and I hope the person / people responsible get right royally fucked for it. Any player that's out of regular contention needs a run of 4-5 games to get back into the swing of things. Neither were given that. Same with Joselu. Couldn't agree more. |
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 9:36:54 GMT
Hold on, most were jizzing themselves on here when we signed Bony. Some of us were wondering if we got the Swansea or the Man City couldn't give 2 fucks version. We got the Man City lite version. Not worthy of a place in an side let alone ours. Oxygen thief. Exactly true but the bloke strutted around with a connaught give a fuck attitude that is not the managers fault at least he had the balls to push him out of the 1st team scene. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 9:39:53 GMT
yep but the manager chose to sign a 'waster'
so to me, its the managers fault
he made the call
and the club should have done their homework on the player far, far better
its obvious - they did not
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Post by alster on Apr 27, 2017 9:42:53 GMT
Hold on, most were jizzing themselves on here when we signed Bony. Some of us were wondering if we got the Swansea or the Man City couldn't give 2 fucks version. We got the Man City lite version. Not worthy of a place in an side let alone ours. Oxygen thief. Exactly true but the bloke strutted around with a connaught give a fuck attitude that is not the managers fault at least he had the balls to push him out of the 1st team scene. Despite the fact that his presence saw the most consistent set of positive results that we've produced all season. |
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 27, 2017 9:51:24 GMT
Have you thought that there might be another reason were not playing him that if he plays so many games we have to give man city more money for the loan and as he's a waste of space why pay this extra money the same might be in Imbula's case that the way we have financed the deal could be linked to appearances and after his cup performance stoke have decided to get rid and not pay the full price of the instalments just a guess though but would make sense
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 10:02:55 GMT
yep but the manager chose to sign a 'waster' so to me, its the managers fault he made the call and the club should have done their homework on the player far, far better its obvious - they did not So you was not excited like the majority on here when he signed for us or did you have your crystal ball out. |
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 10:14:33 GMT
Exactly true but the bloke strutted around with a connaught give a fuck attitude that is not the managers fault at least he had the balls to push him out of the 1st team scene. Despite the fact that his presence saw the most consistent set of positive results that we've produced all season. The only game he turned up in was against his former club Swansea and what about the other players who were playing in those games did they not contribute, to be honest all I saw was a lazy strut around player when he was in the team, look back at some of those threads at that time he was in the side moaning about him saying he was only playing because of the wages we are paying him. |
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Post by alster on Apr 27, 2017 10:20:51 GMT
yep but the manager chose to sign a 'waster' so to me, its the managers fault he made the call and the club should have done their homework on the player far, far better its obvious - they did not So you was not excited like the majority on here when he signed for us or did you have your crystal ball out. Personally the signing worried me from the off. Not because of any magical powers knowing Bony was a busted flush it was just the total contrast of attributes to Berahino the striker we'd been chasing all Summer. How do you leap from wanting one type of player to wanting something completely different. It demonstrated perfectly that we were signing players then working out what to do with them after we got them which is bonkers. The signing of Joe Allen was largely the same, clear signs of making it up as you go along. |
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 10:25:37 GMT
Bony's record playing for Stoke Plyd 10 Won 3 Drawn 3 Lost 4 Goals 2 v Swansea The wins Sunderland 2-0,Hull 2-0 & Swansea 2-0 the defeats included a 4-0,4-1 & 3-1 defeats hardly great stats really three of the 4 bottom teams we defeated it's that what makes stats become a load of bollox.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 27, 2017 10:27:27 GMT
As I've said on a few occasions we took 10 points out of 12 in a good spell with Bony in the team and he played his part in those games.To cast him aside like the manager has done is nothing short of scandalous for me but then again some of his other decisions are also questionable so it's not surprising.I was told the fallout in training with Walters definitely played its part in this decision but I suppose we'll never know
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 10:36:25 GMT
Walters was telling him he was a lazy prick don't you think ?
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 10:38:01 GMT
As I've said on a few occasions we took 10 points out of 12 in a good spell with Bony in the team and he played his part in those games.To cast him aside like the manager has done is nothing short of scandalous for me but then again some of his other decisions are also questionable so it's not surprising.I was told the fallout in training with Walters definitely played its part in this decision but I suppose we'll never know Whatever time of the season those gamessages v Hull,Sunderland & Swansea we would have won . |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 27, 2017 10:43:33 GMT
As I've said on a few occasions we took 10 points out of 12 in a good spell with Bony in the team and he played his part in those games.To cast him aside like the manager has done is nothing short of scandalous for me but then again some of his other decisions are also questionable so it's not surprising.I was told the fallout in training with Walters definitely played its part in this decision but I suppose we'll never know Whatever time of the season those gamessages v Hull,Sunderland & Swansea we would have won . Maybe so mate but he played his part in that. |
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 10:49:25 GMT
Whatever time of the season those gamessages v Hull,Sunderland & Swansea we would have won . Maybe so mate but he played his part in that. He played his part in. 4-0,4-1 & 3-1 hammerings also, so you don't change the team for the better, I don't think the club of not playing pasomeone who is taking £80,000 a week out of the clubs funds do you ? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 27, 2017 10:50:50 GMT
Whatever time of the season those gamessages v Hull,Sunderland & Swansea we would have won . Maybe so mate but he played his part in that. Apparently we can't count games won against shit teams if it doesn't suit an argument, ignoring the fact that we have only beat shit teams this season. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 27, 2017 10:53:08 GMT
Hold on, most were jizzing themselves on here when we signed Bony. Some of us were wondering if we got the Swansea or the Man City couldn't give 2 fucks version. We got the Man City lite version. Not worthy of a place in an side let alone ours. Oxygen thief. I never expected to see the words 'lite' and 'Bony' in the same sentence! For what it's worth I slightly preferred what Bony had to offer in the dozen or so games he played for us to anything I have so far seen from Berahino in a similar number of games but Saido is our player and we have all our eggs in that basket and that one simply has to work at some level doesn't it? |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Apr 27, 2017 10:55:56 GMT
yep but the manager chose to sign a 'waster' so to me, its the managers fault he made the call and the club should have done their homework on the player far, far better its obvious - they did not Manager made the call some work some don't. What "homework" are you referring to? The player wasn't getting game time so there was always an element of risk here |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 27, 2017 10:57:41 GMT
Maybe so mate but he played his part in that. He played his part in. 4-0,4-1 & 3-1 hammerings also, so you don't change the team for the better, I don't think the club of not playing pasomeone who is taking £80,000 a week out of the clubs funds do you ? Has he had a wage reduction then?😄£120 grand a week more like for doing jack shit |
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Post by penkvillepotter on Apr 27, 2017 11:09:25 GMT
Hold on, most were jizzing themselves on here when we signed Bony. Some of us were wondering if we got the Swansea or the Man City couldn't give 2 fucks version. We got the Man City lite version. Not worthy of a place in an side let alone ours. Oxygen thief. I never expected to see the words 'lite' and 'Bony' in the same sentence! For what it's worth I slightly preferred what Bony had to offer in the dozen or so games he played for us to anything I have so far seen from Berahino in a similar number of games but Saido is our player and we have all our eggs in that basket and that one simply has to work at some level doesn't it? I'd agree that Bony did 'slightly' more than Berahino who's left me feeling pretty underwhelmed so far but it's like two bald men fighting over a comb. I can't think Bony is the answer to anything which is a bloody shame because we've seen it for the Sheep Botherers. |
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Post by coupe on Apr 27, 2017 11:10:02 GMT
He played his part in. 4-0,4-1 & 3-1 hammerings also, so you don't change the team for the better, I don't think the club of not playing pasomeone who is taking £80,000 a week out of the clubs funds do you ? Has he had a wage reduction then?😄£120 grand a week more like for doing jack shit Well whatever he earns it is obscene 80k or 120k it is still a huge amount. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 27, 2017 11:33:34 GMT
yep but the manager chose to sign a 'waster' so to me, its the managers fault he made the call and the club should have done their homework on the player far, far better its obvious - they did not Manager made the call some work some don't. What "homework" are you referring to? The player wasn't getting game time so there was always an element of risk here More are failing to meet the standards than are meeting them, there is a pattern forming very much like the QPR from Hughes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 11:47:13 GMT
Hold on, most were jizzing themselves on here when we signed Bony. Some of us were wondering if we got the Swansea or the Man City couldn't give 2 fucks version. We got the Man City lite version. Not worthy of a place in an side let alone ours. Oxygen thief. Oxygen thief? Get a fucking grip. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 27, 2017 11:52:49 GMT
Manager made the call some work some don't. What "homework" are you referring to? The player wasn't getting game time so there was always an element of risk here More are failing to meet the standards than are meeting them, there is a pattern forming very much like the QPR from Hughes. Not the QPR argument again. It's been a while I guess  |
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Post by Northy on Apr 27, 2017 12:04:18 GMT
Hughes (I'm assuming) insistence to bring him and Imbula to the squad and never play them, even in the rut we've been in for 18-19 months, even in a game to prove they aren't up to scratch... Stinks to high heaven and I hope the person / people responsible get right royally fucked for it. Any player that's out of regular contention needs a run of 4-5 games to get back into the swing of things. Neither were given that. Same with Joselu. Bony was given a run of games wasn't he? |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 27, 2017 12:09:43 GMT
More are failing to meet the standards than are meeting them, there is a pattern forming very much like the QPR from Hughes. Not the QPR argument again. It's been a while I guess Yep because it is relevant to what is happening to our club.  |
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