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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 20, 2017 9:34:09 GMT
Heres a conundrum for some of the Hughes out crew.
There seems to be some consensus that Coates will base his decision on where we finish in the league.
Given we all want to see our team win normally but theres plenty who want Hughes gone in the summer. What would you choose from today?
1) A top 10 finish and Hughes staying
OR
2) Finish 12th to 15th and Hughes getting the boot
Personally I hope Hughes can turn it around
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Post by alster on Apr 20, 2017 9:39:19 GMT
Heres a conundrum for some of the Hughes out crew. There seems to be some consensus that Coates will base his decision on where we finish in the league. Given we all want to see our team win normally but theres plenty who want Hughes gone in the summer. What would you choose from today? 1) A top 10 finish and Hughes staying OR 2) Finish 12th to 15th and Hughes getting the boot Personally I hope Hughes can turn it around I'd go for 2 no confidence in him for numerous reasons. |
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Post by sbooth442 on Apr 20, 2017 9:39:39 GMT
i personally feel the same, i would like Mark Hughes given another season to prove himself, this season overall has been poor, but get the right players in during the summer, and hopefully he can give us a good season
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 20, 2017 9:44:06 GMT
Although Coates Radio Stoke interview did sound like Hughes had a 6 game audition for his own job, clubs of our size don't really make decisions on such fine margins of 10th versus 12th do they?
If he does get the bullet the real reason will be for some horrific recruitment of late. Quite where that would leave Cartwright and Scholes is anyone's guess.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Apr 20, 2017 9:47:24 GMT
I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went regardless of where we finish.
However if he stays he has to get it right from the start including a proper preseason, fitness and not waiting 6 to 8 games for a first win.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 20, 2017 9:55:48 GMT
Although Coates Radio Stoke interview did sound like Hughes had a 6 game audition for his own job, clubs of our size don't really make decisions on such fine margins of 10th versus 12th do they? If he does get the bullet the real reason will be for some horrific recruitment of late. Quite where that would leave Cartwright and Scholes is anyone's guess. It looks strange to base a decision on 6 games of little significance overall but look at this way 9th - 9th - 9th - 10th finishes and Coates would look a right tool to fire the manager for that level of consistency. 9th - 9th - 9th - 14th and Coates can point to a real drop off in performance Honestly if we finish 10th or higher there is no way on earth he can fire Hughes in my opinion, however many bad signings and 4 goal drubbings we have suffered |
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Post by pyrus on Apr 20, 2017 9:56:10 GMT
Heres a conundrum for some of the Hughes out crew. There seems to be some consensus that Coates will base his decision on where we finish in the league. Given we all want to see our team win normally but theres plenty who want Hughes gone in the summer. What would you choose from today? 1) A top 10 finish and Hughes staying OR 2) Finish 12th to 15th and Hughes getting the boot Personally I hope Hughes can turn it around Is Coates actually making a decision at all? Where has this assumption come from? |
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Post by apb1 on Apr 20, 2017 9:56:46 GMT
Top 10 all the way. If he messes up early next season then give him the boot. I would never sacrifice points, places or games on the basis that a manager would be sacked. Crazy.
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Post by Gods on Apr 20, 2017 10:03:56 GMT
Sparky is no more about to be sacked than I'm a Chinaman. The board have him signing up next seasons recruits already.  |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 20, 2017 10:06:38 GMT
Heres a conundrum for some of the Hughes out crew. There seems to be some consensus that Coates will base his decision on where we finish in the league. Given we all want to see our team win normally but theres plenty who want Hughes gone in the summer. What would you choose from today? 1) A top 10 finish and Hughes staying OR 2) Finish 12th to 15th and Hughes getting the boot Personally I hope Hughes can turn it around Is Coates actually making a decision at all? Where has this assumption come from? A few cryptic words in his interview a couple of weeks. Saying he wants to focus on the last games of the season. Also this Ranieri approach rumour. Of course he hasnt put himself into a corner and said Hughes needs to do ABC to keep his job. That would be madness. We might finish 15th and Hughes still keeps his job. Im just speculating of course but I think our final league placing will be factored in |
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Post by stokiejoe on Apr 20, 2017 10:22:22 GMT
I am in agreement with the well known Chinaman Gods(see above) there is now absolutely no chance of Hughes being sacked.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 10:29:10 GMT
All I will say, is that I would very much like him to succeed. For all this has been a poor season entertainment wise, there have been patches where we have been very very good!
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Post by lordb on Apr 20, 2017 10:30:12 GMT
Whoever the manager is,and call me a crazy fool here,I always want them to succeed.
So the higher we finish the better.
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Post by foster on Apr 20, 2017 10:32:00 GMT
Top 14 and keep Hughes.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 20, 2017 11:16:11 GMT
Rightly or wrongly he is not going anywhere - he is signing players for next season already
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Apr 20, 2017 11:38:20 GMT
Finish wherever and then have Bojan remove Hughes's still beating heart in sacrifice to the Mayan gods in the centre circle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 11:42:01 GMT
Heres a conundrum for some of the Hughes out crew. There seems to be some consensus that Coates will base his decision on where we finish in the league. Given we all want to see our team win normally but theres plenty who want Hughes gone in the summer. What would you choose from today? 1) A top 10 finish and Hughes staying OR 2) Finish 12th to 15th and Hughes getting the boot Personally I hope Hughes can turn it around I really don't think it will be as simple as that and I'll be very shocked if Hughes goes anywhere. He will be under immense scrutiny next year but the reality is you have to remain at a certain level for some time (something my Geordie friend even said the other evening) in order to go forward eventually, especially a club of Stoke's size. It might well have been a bit shit this last season but Hughes looks like he will have kept us in a very comfortable position for four seasons now. If we want to break into the dizzying heights of the top 6/7 clubs we will have to time it right and that is a much longer-term project than some fans expect but really we are doing pretty well if this is the long-term aim. Whether Hughes will eventually the man to lead the assault into the top positions remains to be seen but I don't think Coates truly believes we are in the position to go for it yet. |
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Post by coupe on Apr 20, 2017 11:43:36 GMT
One thing is a certainty if Hughes does get the sack and I personally do not think he will, the ones on here who want him out will saying the exact same thing about his successor if he gets off to a bad start,
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 20, 2017 11:51:12 GMT
Having delivered 3 top ten finishes, Hughes has a lot of credit in the bank, even though he has tarnished his reputation with record purchases that have not delivered and having to revert to a less adventurous style of play, I still think he is the best man (with his assistants) around to fix what is wrong and knows what doesn't work.
The club would be crazy to remove him and gamble on someone else to achieve a higher place than 9th. How much higher? Well barring mishaps the top 6 places are already occupied by the top big 6 clubs, so do we gamble with the manager to try and get 3 or 4 places higher?
If Hughes goes, it more likely to be because someone tempts him away. For example if Koeman or Benitez move to a CL club then Everton or Newcastle could come for Hughes.
Hopefully he is learning from his mistakes and now knows exactly what needs to be done to move to the "next level", which isn't in my view a higher league place but winning a cup.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 20, 2017 11:56:33 GMT
Keep him regardless
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Post by Do it for dobing on Apr 20, 2017 11:58:01 GMT
Certain he will be here nest season
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Apr 20, 2017 12:00:59 GMT
I watched the Football League highlights programme on CH5 the other night. As each game's highlight were shown I found myself thinking back to a few years ago. Southend........ a Tuesday night game away, in January, ringing the ground on the way down there to make sure the game was still on. Gillingham.........knocked us out of the play-offs and one of the worst reffing performances I've ever seen. Walsall..........knocked us out of the play-offs. Oxford........watching us get stuffed 4-0 at the old Manor Ground. Swindon..........leaving the County Ground as their fans celebrated getting into the play-offs. Or the time we got beat 6-0. Wigan............Springfield Park, the grass bank, losing 4-0, Ball getting sacked. Bury...........away on a Tuesday,being pleased with a 1-1 draw (the night Robert Maxwell fell off his boat  ) Exeter......... Alan Ball being escorted back to the dressing rooms as Stoke fans bayed for his blood. Stockport .......knocked us out of the play-offs. Vale...........pissing themselves laughing the day we went down to League One and they stayed up. I could go on but the memories are still too painful. Fast forward to last Saturday. 3-1 win at home in the Prem. 3 absolutely top draw goals from three top notch players. In 50+ years of watching Stoke I'm witnessing something I've never seen before, 3 consecutive top ten finishes in the top division, with a 4th a definite possibility. We're Stoke, we get gates of only 27,000, we've had a fairly uninspiring history and if you want success year on year, league titles, cup finals, mixing with Europe's big boys I'd suggest you join the glory hunters and look elsewhere. Me? I'll stick with the team I love, I'll stick with the manager and chairman who have delivered what I could only dare to dream of just a few years ago. I'm confident that my club is going in the right direction, slowly but surely. The progress we're undoubtedly making in all aspects of the club may not be quick enough, or as straight forward, for the more impatient among us but I prefer to take the long view. If it ain't broke why fix it? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 12:15:01 GMT
Heres a conundrum for some of the Hughes out crew. There seems to be some consensus that Coates will base his decision on where we finish in the league. Given we all want to see our team win normally but theres plenty who want Hughes gone in the summer. What would you choose from today? 1) A top 10 finish and Hughes staying OR 2) Finish 12th to 15th and Hughes getting the boot Personally I hope Hughes can turn it around I'll go with Hughes staying no matter where we finish. What is the difference between a normal win, and an abnormal win? |
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 20, 2017 12:24:58 GMT
I believe we are totally accustomed, even brainwashed, as Stoke supporters, to an acceptance of mediocrity. In our total history, the only top level success we have achieved is the 1972 League cup. 45 years ago. We're just little Stoke, so the view is that our expectations shouldn't be set too high. We can say that top ten is fantastic but really it's just plain average and this year, particularly, we just seem to be cannon fodder for the big boys and our performances have, in the main, been poor with both manager and players continually trotting out the word disappointed. I'd just like us to take that extra step, break the mould and really go for it. What that extra step is, I don't know but then again I'm not paid to know but, whatever it is, I don't think Hughes is capable of making it. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong but just can't see it.
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Post by mattface on Apr 20, 2017 12:30:44 GMT
I watched the Football League highlights programme on CH5 the other night. As each game's highlight were shown I found myself thinking back to a few years ago. Southend........ a Tuesday night game away, in January, ringing the ground on the way down there to make sure the game was still on. Gillingham.........knocked us out of the play-offs and one of the worst reffing performances I've ever seen. Walsall..........knocked us out of the play-offs. Oxford........watching us get stuffed 4-0 at the old Manor Ground. Swindon..........leaving the County Ground as their fans celebrated getting into the play-offs. Or the time we got beat 6-0. Wigan............Springfield Park, the grass bank, losing 4-0, Ball getting sacked. Bury...........away on a Tuesday,being pleased with a 1-1 draw (the night Robert Maxwell fell off his boat ) Exeter......... Alan Ball being escorted back to the dressing rooms as Stoke fans bayed for his blood. Stockport .......knocked us out of the play-offs. Vale...........pissing themselves laughing the day we went down to League One and they stayed up. I could go on but the memories are still too painful. Fast forward to last Saturday. 3-1 win at home in the Prem. 3 absolutely top draw goals from three top notch players. In 50+ years of watching Stoke I'm witnessing something I've never seen before, 3 consecutive top ten finishes in the top division, with a 4th a definite possibility. We're Stoke, we get gates of only 27,000, we've had a fairly uninspiring history and if you want success year on year, league titles, cup finals, mixing with Europe's big boys I'd suggest you join the glory hunters and look elsewhere. Me? I'll stick with the team I love, I'll stick with the manager and chairman who have delivered what I could only dare to dream of just a few years ago. I'm confident that my club is going in the right direction, slowly but surely. The progress we're undoubtedly making in all aspects of the club may not be quick enough, or as straight forward, for the more impatient among us but I prefer to take the long view. If it ain't broke why fix it? Maybe not quite broke just a bit bent outta shape 😆 |
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Apr 20, 2017 12:34:07 GMT
Sparky is no more about to be sacked than I'm a Chinaman. The board have him signing up next seasons recruits already. Well Hughes had better get his skates on. Looks like Southampton targeting Sigurrson. Spurs after Keane. Better grab Delph quick. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 12:35:03 GMT
Option 2 for me.
I have no confidence in Hughes to be able to stop the regression of the past 15 months, or to be able to make the very necessary improvements to the team/squad. Based on the contracts he has recently awarded to our ageing players it doesn't seem that too much change is in his thoughts or planning for next season.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Apr 20, 2017 12:46:38 GMT
I watched the Football League highlights programme on CH5 the other night. As each game's highlight were shown I found myself thinking back to a few years ago. Southend........ a Tuesday night game away, in January, ringing the ground on the way down there to make sure the game was still on. Gillingham.........knocked us out of the play-offs and one of the worst reffing performances I've ever seen. Walsall..........knocked us out of the play-offs. Oxford........watching us get stuffed 4-0 at the old Manor Ground. Swindon..........leaving the County Ground as their fans celebrated getting into the play-offs. Or the time we got beat 6-0. Wigan............Springfield Park, the grass bank, losing 4-0, Ball getting sacked. Bury...........away on a Tuesday,being pleased with a 1-1 draw (the night Robert Maxwell fell off his boat ) Exeter......... Alan Ball being escorted back to the dressing rooms as Stoke fans bayed for his blood. Stockport .......knocked us out of the play-offs. Vale...........pissing themselves laughing the day we went down to League One and they stayed up. I could go on but the memories are still too painful. Fast forward to last Saturday. 3-1 win at home in the Prem. 3 absolutely top draw goals from three top notch players. In 50+ years of watching Stoke I'm witnessing something I've never seen before, 3 consecutive top ten finishes in the top division, with a 4th a definite possibility. We're Stoke, we get gates of only 27,000, we've had a fairly uninspiring history and if you want success year on year, league titles, cup finals, mixing with Europe's big boys I'd suggest you join the glory hunters and look elsewhere. Me? I'll stick with the team I love, I'll stick with the manager and chairman who have delivered what I could only dare to dream of just a few years ago. I'm confident that my club is going in the right direction, slowly but surely. The progress we're undoubtedly making in all aspects of the club may not be quick enough, or as straight forward, for the more impatient among us but I prefer to take the long view. If it ain't broke why fix it? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 20, 2017 12:51:36 GMT
I think a place or two here 'n' there is not the issue - there has been a general slide towards poor signings, many wasting millions in the process, reverting to the old guard in a bit of a panic and a more prosaic approach to getting just enough points to survive (one of the reasons Pulis was sacked, it was maintained), together with a widening gap between us and the big boys (evidenced by our inability to bloody the nose of any of them so far this season - I pray for a kick up the Arse in a few weeks' time).
I like Hughes, I want him to stay, and the alternatives are not that attractive. He simply has to get the show back on the road though, with a sensible squad rebuild this summer and some inkling that he has a plan in place to move us forward. This summer is crucial.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 12:52:59 GMT
He will stay but I think there will be pressure from above to bring through the young lads.
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