Hughes isn't going to get sacked is he?

[agingerstokie]

In all honesty, can you hand on heart say you think that Peter Coates and co. are going to let him go at the end of the season? I can't see it at all. Some people are talking as if it's a foregone conclusion.

[barcaontrent]

Coates will judge it on a season tickets sales and can he trust him with money next season. I suspect neither will be a positive answer

[agingerstokie]

I imagine season ticket sales will be around the same to be honest.

[dutchstokie]

It gives the simpletons on here something to dribble over

[bayernoatcake]

Who's talking like its a fore gone conclusion?

[StatesideStokie]

If we had truly been dragged into a relegation scrap, he would be under some pressure, but can't see it happening now. This season hasn't been great, but it would be madness to sack a man who's guided us to three (possibly four) consecutive top ten finishes.

Having said that, there is much work to do in the Summer and I don't think there will be enough credit left in the bank to save him if we have another disastrous start to the season.

[crownmeking]

No, he won't get sacked, unless something terrible happens between now and the end of the season.

[LGH87]

12th or lower I think he'll be gone. Coates and the family will not take kindly to the large drop in prize money earned from finishing place.

[pulismaskreplica]

Hughes will be our manager for next season until he proves beyond doubt to Coates by December that he's lost it. Our usual slow start to the new season will just wind everyone up even more. I'd get rid in the summer as it's only delaying the inevitable

[crapslinger]

Apr 15, 2017 20:36:37 GMT StatesideStokie said:

If we had truly been dragged into a relegation scrap, he would be under some pressure, but can't see it happening now. This season hasn't been great, but it would be madness to sack a man who's guided us to three (possibly four) consecutive top ten finishes.

Having said that, there is much work to do in the Summer and I don't think there will be enough credit left in the bank to save him if we have another disastrous start to the season.

He is well and truly into his overdraft now, keeping him here and giving him substantial funds should not be an option, there are serious problems with the squad of players we have major rebuilding is required he can not be trusted to do the job, he has to go in the summer.

[stokeoptimist]

Apr 15, 2017 20:33:46 GMT barcaontrent said:

Coates will judge it on a season tickets sales and can he trust him with money next season. I suspect neither will be a positive answer

Its all about staying in the premier that's why there's no way hes's going to gamble on another manager when the one hes got is regularly finishing in the top half.

[expectedtoulouse]

Despite his business interests, Coates isn't a gambling man. To allow Hughes to remain in post would be gambling with our survival chances next season. The warning signs have been there for the past 2 seasons now, and I can't foresee us finishing the season strongly which would build a case for Hughes to stay. Clearly, he's lost the fans also.

[trigger]

I don't think the prize money will be the main point in their decisions over Hughes, it'll be the money he's spent on the likes of Imbula.

[expectedtoulouse]

Apr 15, 2017 20:41:10 GMT stokeoptimist said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:33:46 GMT barcaontrent said:

Coates will judge it on a season tickets sales and can he trust him with money next season. I suspect neither will be a positive answer

Its all about staying in the premier that's why there's no way hes's going to gamble on another manager when the one hes got is regularly finishing in the top half.

We're on course to finish with 44 points this season, our worst haul in our Premier League history. Can't see that will be sufficient to get near the top half. We regressed last season, this season we've back peddled even more. It doesn't bear thinking about what next season will bring.

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Apr 15, 2017 20:46:53 GMT expectedtoulouse said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:41:10 GMT stokeoptimist said:

Its all about staying in the premier that's why there's no way hes's going to gamble on another manager when the one hes got is regularly finishing in the top half.

We're on course to finish with 44 points this season, our worst haul in our Premier League history. Can't see that will be sufficient to get near the top half. We regressed last season, this season we've back peddled even more. It doesn't bear thinking about what next season will bring.

We got 42 points in 2012/13

[davejohnno1]

Apr 15, 2017 20:46:53 GMT expectedtoulouse said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:41:10 GMT stokeoptimist said:

Its all about staying in the premier that's why there's no way hes's going to gamble on another manager when the one hes got is regularly finishing in the top half.

We're on course to finish with 44 points this season, our worst haul in our Premier League history. Can't see that will be sufficient to get near the top half. We regressed last season, this season we've back peddled even more. It doesn't bear thinking about what next season will bring.

I think you'll find 42 is our worst.

[gingerninja]

I get the impression Coates has had it with Hughes for whatever reason. Ive heard nowt just get that feeling a parting of the ways have been agreed.

[Deleted]

If you take yourselves away from the hulabaloo on here and in the media, and sit and think about it, it's a very complex situation. It's not an easy answer to make either way.

[expectedtoulouse]

Apr 15, 2017 20:49:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:46:53 GMT expectedtoulouse said:

We're on course to finish with 44 points this season, our worst haul in our Premier League history. Can't see that will be sufficient to get near the top half. We regressed last season, this season we've back peddled even more. It doesn't bear thinking about what next season will bring.

I think you'll find 42 is our worst.

Apologies. Still it's not an impressive total is it?

[boothenesque]

Apr 15, 2017 20:39:11 GMT LGH87 said:

12th or lower I think he'll be gone. Coates and the family will not take kindly to the large drop in prize money earned from finishing place.

13th in the PL would be a disaster. Ask Coventry/Sunderland/M'boro/Pompey/Forest/Leeds/Bolton/Villa/etc fans. ffs those of us who suffered the wilderness years are happy to be in the PL with decent players that a few years ago we wouldn't even dare to dream about. Life's not perfect, get used to it, get behind the guys for a change before you spend 30 years looking back. We had some magical displays from some magical players in the 70s but people used to moan back then also. In actual fact not all the performances from those guys were brilliant every week, as is the case for maybe 100% of the teams that play football. Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to moan and be miserable about. There are people in S Sudan, Allepo, Libya, and we think we've got problems if we finish as the 13th best team in the country. 95% of the planet wish they had our problems.

[davejohnno1]

Apr 15, 2017 20:51:08 GMT expectedtoulouse said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:49:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

I think you'll find 42 is our worst.

Apologies. Still it's not an impressive total is it?

42 is crap. Its why the previous manager got the sack.

I've said we'd end up with 48 points since end of September and I still think that will be the case.

[partickpotter]

Apr 15, 2017 20:51:08 GMT expectedtoulouse said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:49:12 GMT davejohnno1 said:

I think you'll find 42 is our worst.

Apologies. Still it's not an impressive total is it?

If we finish on 50 will that make everything ok?

[gingerninja]

Do you think he will/should go Dave?

[GeneralFaye]

Apr 15, 2017 20:50:14 GMT theonlooker said:

If you take yourselves away from the hulabaloo on here and in the media, and sit and think about it, it's a very complex situation. It's not an easy answer to make either way.

And yet I always come back to the same question if I was Peter Coates.. "do I trust Mark Hughes to spend wisely?"... the answer is no. The reason that is important is because the squad imo needs major surgery! we need to sort out the midfield (a problem of his own making I would suggest), sign at least 2 new fullbacks, 1 or possibly 2 CB's if Indi doesn't sign and we all know Hughes is a sucker for an "opportunity" signing (see Allen, Imbula) and all of that isn't going to be cheap. In short, we should be doing better than we are and if Coates feels like another manager can come in and give us an improved fresh approach, I think he'll do it.

[expectedtoulouse]

Apr 15, 2017 20:56:44 GMT partickpotter said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:51:08 GMT expectedtoulouse said:

Apologies. Still it's not an impressive total is it?

If we finish on 50 will that make everything ok?

I can't get away from the issue of squad rebuilding, the point is made well by GeneralFaye. Finishing on 50 points or above would make it a harsh sacking however.

Can you really see 3 wins and 2 draws or better?

We've beaten a team today who are hapless on the road and have lost 7 out of the last 9 on the road ourselves. To be perfectly honest, 50 points is a pipe dream.

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2017 21:00:11 GMT GeneralFaye said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:50:14 GMT theonlooker said:

If you take yourselves away from the hulabaloo on here and in the media, and sit and think about it, it's a very complex situation. It's not an easy answer to make either way.

And yet I always come back to the same question if I was Peter Coates.. "do I trust Mark Hughes to spend wisely?"... the answer is no. The reason that is important is because the squad imo needs major surgery! we need to sort out the midfield (a problem of his own making I would suggest), sign at least 2 new fullbacks, 1 or possibly 2 CB's if Indi doesn't sign and we all know Hughes is a sucker for an "opportunity" signing (see Allen, Imbula) and all of that isn't going to be cheap. In short, we should be doing better than we are and if Coates feels like another manager can come in and give us an improved fresh approach, I think he'll do it.

...and then you get to another question. Who DO you trust to come in and spin the squad round, and from a cold start?

...then you get to another question. Is it fair on a new bloke to sort out a british core of players over the age of 30 and a foreign legion that is inconsistent? Is it too much to take on? Will he pick the right players to move on in the short space of time he has to make a decision?

You are asking a lot of a new coach to come in and sort this out. The easiest thing here, IMO, is to ask the current manager to carry on and start the sort out based on his opinion of the current squad spanning three years, rather than three weeks where mistakes WILL be made.

The spending money thing these days isn't just down to the manager either. There are a team of scouts, a Chief Scout and a Technical Director. They have an arsenal of stats and figures to help them decide on who to buy. Yes, the manager has a say in things but it is not a simple question here.

There are hundreds of millions at stake here, not a few pennies.

[LGH87]

Apr 15, 2017 20:54:19 GMT boothenesque said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:39:11 GMT LGH87 said:

12th or lower I think he'll be gone. Coates and the family will not take kindly to the large drop in prize money earned from finishing place.

13th in the PL would be a disaster. Ask Coventry/Sunderland/M'boro/Pompey/Forest/Leeds/Bolton/Villa/etc fans. ffs those of us who suffered the wilderness years are happy to be in the PL with decent players that a few years ago we wouldn't even dare to dream about. Life's not perfect, get used to it, get behind the guys for a change before you spend 30 years looking back. We had some magical displays from some magical players in the 70s but people used to moan back then also. In actual fact not all the performances from those guys were brilliant every week, as is the case for maybe 100% of the teams that play football. Some people just aren't happy unless they have something to moan and be miserable about. There are people in S Sudan, Allepo, Libya, and we think we've got problems if we finish as the 13th best team in the country. 95% of the planet wish they had our problems.

Look at it from a business sense though mate, we've spent large sums on players such as Imbula who can't get anywhere near the team. We are spending god knows how much a month on Bony, who can't get anywhere near the bench.

Take wasted money like this in to account alongside the drop in prize money, and you've got to think that Coates and the family will start to ask serious questions of the management team.

[GeneralFaye]

Apr 15, 2017 21:11:11 GMT theonlooker said:

Apr 15, 2017 21:00:11 GMT GeneralFaye said:

And yet I always come back to the same question if I was Peter Coates.. "do I trust Mark Hughes to spend wisely?"... the answer is no. The reason that is important is because the squad imo needs major surgery! we need to sort out the midfield (a problem of his own making I would suggest), sign at least 2 new fullbacks, 1 or possibly 2 CB's if Indi doesn't sign and we all know Hughes is a sucker for an "opportunity" signing (see Allen, Imbula) and all of that isn't going to be cheap. In short, we should be doing better than we are and if Coates feels like another manager can come in and give us an improved fresh approach, I think he'll do it.

...and then you get to another question. Who DO you trust to come in and spin the squad round, and from a cold start?

...then you get to another question. Is it fair on a new bloke to sort out a british core of players over the age of 30 and a foreign legion that is inconsistent? Is it too much to take on? Will he pick the right players to move on in the short space of time he has to make a decision?

You are asking a lot of a new coach to come in and sort this out. The easiest thing here, IMO, is to ask the current manager to carry on and start the sort out based on his opinion of the current squad spanning three years, rather than three weeks where mistakes WILL be made.

The spending money thing these days isn't just down to the manager either. There are a team of scouts, a Chief Scout and a Technical Director. They have an arsenal of stats and figures to help them decide on who to buy. Yes, the manager has a say in things but it is not a simple question here.

There are hundreds of millions at stake here, not a few pennies.

I honestly haven't got a fucking clue but tbh, it doesn't look like Hughes has a clue anymore. He changes team selection and formations like underwear and the lack of any sort of continuity is a massive reason why we're so inconsistent. Half a season without Shaqiri hasn't helped the situation I'll admit but we look a team totally bereft of confidence or any sort of identity anymore. At least in the first couple of seasons you could see what Hughes was trying to do but now I'm as puddled as he is. However, I do agree that in a weird way he's in the best position to "sort it out".. I guess.

[heworksardtho]

Apr 15, 2017 20:32:32 GMT agingerstokie said:

In all honesty, can you hand on heart say you think that Peter Coates and co. are going to let him go at the end of the season? I can't see it at all. Some people are talking as if it's a foregone conclusion.

Would you sack a manager who earns you over 100 million a year

[GeneralFaye]

Apr 15, 2017 21:19:09 GMT heworksardtho said:

Apr 15, 2017 20:32:32 GMT agingerstokie said:

In all honesty, can you hand on heart say you think that Peter Coates and co. are going to let him go at the end of the season? I can't see it at all. Some people are talking as if it's a foregone conclusion.

Would you sack a manager who earns you over 100 million a year

By any chance, are you on the Arsenal board?...