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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 18:18:58 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes.
Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed.
And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do?
The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 8, 2017 18:21:05 GMT
Absolute bottle job and probably the worst sub he's made since coming here, and he's made some shit ones. The game was crying out for crouch to hold it up (if he was sitting back trying protect the lead) lets be honest, we cant keep a clean sheet for shit so he should never made a defensive sub like the one he did to invite more pressure, total joke.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 18:22:01 GMT
It made no sense at 1-0. It was a clusterfuck 5 minutes later.
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Post by mrrburgundy on Apr 8, 2017 18:24:31 GMT
I wasn't against Whelan coming on but it should have been for Berahino. Walters would have been a better outlet. I'd rather Whelan had replaced Allen anyway, Adam isn't good enough.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 8, 2017 18:26:30 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. Sorry but we have tried a number of times to badly defend a 1-0 lead and failed. Their back 4 were there to be got at and an attacking sub was needed. He just needs to admit that he got it badly wrong but he won't. Worrying. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 18:27:25 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. Sorry but we have tried a number of times to badly defend a 1-0 lead and failed. Their back 4 were there to be got at and an attacking sub was needed. He just needs to admit that he got it badly wrong but he won't. Worrying. Our midfield was completely crumbling! possibly bringing on Ramadan instead, but I understand the Whelan sub. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 18:27:42 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. Sorry but we have tried a number of times to badly defend a 1-0 lead and failed. Their back 4 were there to be got at and an attacking sub was needed. He just needs to admit that he got it badly wrong but he won't. Worrying. He kind of did, by taking Adam off. |
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Post by Uncle cheese on Apr 8, 2017 18:36:56 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. I haven't read the rest of this thread but for me you must of been the only one who thought this was a good sub. We weren't under any pressure really and to do this showed a total lack of understanding how the game was panning out. A few mins later and we were 2-1 down. Hughes has to go. He's a fuckwit |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Apr 8, 2017 18:38:25 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. You are not the only one. I thought it was the right decision at the time (although I might have replaced Saido rather than SJW) because they were getting far too much in midfield. In order to attack you need the ball, and we weren't winning it. In the event it didn't work, but hindsight is always a wonderful thing. We mainly lost because of the quality they could bring on from the bench, and missing two very good chances. |
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Post by WhyDelilah on Apr 8, 2017 18:40:06 GMT
Useless fucking negativity.
He hasn't got a fucking clue.
Such a negative change.
Got what he asked for.
He needs fucking off.
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Post by alster on Apr 8, 2017 18:44:21 GMT
I wasn't against Whelan coming on but it should have been for Berahino. Walters would have been a better outlet. I'd rather Whelan had replaced Allen anyway, Adam isn't good enough. Would have been the same result one immobile CM vs another. Should have been Affelay but being as he wasn't on the bench Muniesa but there again he's never considered Muniesa as CM even a bloke who has ideas as absurd as thinking MBD is a right wing back. You just couldn't make it up. |
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 8, 2017 18:50:43 GMT
Then why take Charlie Adam off after ?
It's there for us all to see that Hughes doesn't know what he's doing.
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Post by karl on Apr 8, 2017 18:53:51 GMT
We could have brought sobi on for Berahino and Walters could have played a deeper role move Shaqiri in the center.
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Post by stokecitydom on Apr 8, 2017 19:02:19 GMT
If Imbula had put in the performance that Whelan did today, we would have a 15 page thread by now.
Whelan was awful, so far off the pace. Numerous times he dithered and gave it away. Haven't seen the goal again but it looked like he scuffed a clearance and then turned around too blame Bruno.
I did think we needed an extra body in midfield, just a shame that it had to be Whelan.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Apr 8, 2017 19:19:35 GMT
Sorry but we have tried a number of times to badly defend a 1-0 lead and failed. Their back 4 were there to be got at and an attacking sub was needed. He just needs to admit that he got it badly wrong but he won't. Worrying. Our midfield was completely crumbling! possibly bringing on Ramadan instead, but I understand the Whelan sub. Really? The decision to bring whelan on is up there with Roy Hodgson deciding to make Harry Kane take corners for England |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 19:21:37 GMT
Our midfield was completely crumbling! possibly bringing on Ramadan instead, but I understand the Whelan sub. Really? The decision to bring whelan on is up there with Roy Hodgson deciding to make Harry Kane take corners for England Why? we needed to sure up the midfield because they were running through the two that were there with ease. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 8, 2017 19:35:38 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. We needed an extra midfielder, unfortunately we got Whelan. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 8, 2017 19:37:13 GMT
If Imbula had put in the performance that Whelan did today, we would have a 15 page thread by now. Whelan was awful, so far off the pace. Numerous times he dithered and gave it away. Haven't seen the goal again but it looked like he scuffed a clearance and then turned around too blame Bruno. I did think we needed an extra body in midfield, just a shame that it had to be Whelan. Said the same earlier, some players can obviously get away with shit performances. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2017 20:01:54 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. It was one the worst subs I've seen. The only thing that needed changing was Arnie. It was a negative sub that was made to cling on to the game. The quietness as Whelan ran on showed you what people thought. Tactics cost us the game today, the players imo worked their bollocks off. The manager fucked today up massively and we should have put their first half team to bed. It was an utter shit side and we struggled. Hughes has lost it. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 8, 2017 20:03:15 GMT
Seen a lot of shit on twitter etc about this being a bottling sub from Hughes. Am I the only one that thought we needed an extra midfielder to cover for the fact they kept walking past our midfield 2? A good few occasions Emre Can just walked through unopposed. And with no other midfielders, what was hughes meant to do? The game for me is bottling from the players, not the manager. We also got lucky that liverpool decided to play with one hand tied behind their backs for the first half. It was one the worst subs I've seen. The only thing that needed changing was Arnie. It was a negative sub that was made to cling on to the game. The quietness as Whelan ran on showed you what people thought. Tactics cost us the game today, the players imo worked their bollocks off. The manager fucked today up massively and we should have put their first half team to bed. It was an utter shit side and we struggled. Hughes has lost it. Spot on, sir. |
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Post by alster on Apr 8, 2017 20:16:17 GMT
Really? The decision to bring whelan on is up there with Roy Hodgson deciding to make Harry Kane take corners for England Why? we needed to sure up the midfield because they were running through the two that were there with ease. Thats what happens when you make that first sub. He's had plenty of notice that slow immobile CM's are suicide against such teams. Their top players were always coming on unless they were winning anyway. Did he think Klopp would just accept defeat with that shower he started the game with. Awful bench and in game management. Why has he become such a timid manager? |
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Post by jonnybravo on Apr 8, 2017 20:18:00 GMT
We totally lost shape when he came on,he ran round like a headless chicken that left spaces in front of the back 4
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 8, 2017 20:20:48 GMT
For me it should have been Diouf for Walters which gives us the option of staying at 4 4 2, of which we would have still had an outball. I didn't really feel we were under that much pressure And it was more a case of fresh legs and PACE that we needed up top.
If he wanted to make changes to go to 4 2 3 1 then Saido had to come off, push Diouf up top and drop Walters into the hole.
The worst possible substitution to make was the one he did.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 20:22:24 GMT
For me it should have been Diouf for Walters which gives us the option of staying at 4 4 2, of which we would have still had an outball. I didn't really feel we were under that much pressure And it was more a case of fresh legs and PACE that we needed up top. If he wanted to make changes to go to 4 2 3 1 then Saido had to come off, push Diouf up top and drop Walters into the hole. The worst possible substitution to make was the one he did. Sticking with the 442 doesnt solve the issue that they were tearing through our midfield like it wasn't there. I'm not saying it worked, but it wasn't the wrong idea IMO. it's to whelan's detriment that he couldn't perform as he was asked. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2017 20:26:02 GMT
For me it should have been Diouf for Walters which gives us the option of staying at 4 4 2, of which we would have still had an outball. I didn't really feel we were under that much pressure And it was more a case of fresh legs and PACE that we needed up top. If he wanted to make changes to go to 4 2 3 1 then Saido had to come off, push Diouf up top and drop Walters into the hole. The worst possible substitution to make was the one he did. Sticking with the 442 doesnt solve the issue that they were tearing through our midfield like it wasn't there. I'm not saying it worked, but it wasn't the wrong idea IMO. it's to whelan's detriment that he couldn't perform as he was asked. If you're expecting Whelan to cope with the movement of Firmino and Coutinho then you're an idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 20:26:53 GMT
Sticking with the 442 doesnt solve the issue that they were tearing through our midfield like it wasn't there. I'm not saying it worked, but it wasn't the wrong idea IMO. it's to whelan's detriment that he couldn't perform as he was asked. If you're expecting Whelan to cope with the movement of Firmino and Coutinho then you're an idiot. There were no other midfield options, and we needed something there, even if it was just a body. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Apr 8, 2017 20:28:36 GMT
For me it should have been Diouf for Walters which gives us the option of staying at 4 4 2, of which we would have still had an outball. I didn't really feel we were under that much pressure And it was more a case of fresh legs and PACE that we needed up top. If he wanted to make changes to go to 4 2 3 1 then Saido had to come off, push Diouf up top and drop Walters into the hole. The worst possible substitution to make was the one he did. Sticking with the 442 doesnt solve the issue that they were tearing through our midfield like it wasn't there. I'm not saying it worked, but it wasn't the wrong idea IMO. it's to whelan's detriment that he couldn't perform as he was asked. I'm not a huge fan of 4 4 2 at all however today at 1 nil and sat watching it I didn't feel it was any worse than us changing to 4 2 3 1. The 2 formations are essentially a variance of each other anyway, however the fundamental error was the personnel. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2017 20:29:46 GMT
If you're expecting Whelan to cope with the movement of Firmino and Coutinho then you're an idiot. There were no other midfield options, and we needed something there, even if it was just a body. We didn't. If you need just a body to counter movement put Muni in there. |
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Post by padders01 on Apr 8, 2017 20:30:25 GMT
Anyone know where Affellay was today?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 20:37:12 GMT
A number of players need shifting for younger, quicker thinking players. Adam, Whelan to name the two main slow coaches are holding us back. If we have to keep on resorting to these, nothing will change. I could not believe it when he brought Charles on, I honestly couldn't! If we haven't got better, what a sorry state of affairs. Also, the way we give the ball away throughout a match, needs seriously addressing! Some of our passing is bordering on the ridiculous! Anyone can see it. What the f--k do they do in training?
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