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Post by miltonpotterfan on Apr 5, 2017 7:38:26 GMT
In my opinion these players are past it and offer nothing for us anymore we need fresh young blood in the side
Whelan
Johnson
Bardsley
Crouch
Walters
Adam
Given
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 5, 2017 7:40:08 GMT
So many people call Adams head when in reality, he's the only CM who looks forward and isn't scared to have a shot. He was our only player last night who had about 5 shots and wasn't scared.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 5, 2017 7:41:22 GMT
I'd listen to offers for the lot of them bar Butland, Arnie and Berahino.
We NEED to sign BMI.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2017 7:41:25 GMT
Whelan
Johnson
Crouch
Walters
Adam
Given
Ireland
Haugaard
Joselu
Wollscheid
Imbula
And ideally but I know we need to keep a squad;
Cameron
Allen
Afellay
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 5, 2017 7:41:37 GMT
So many people call Adams head when in reality, he's the only CM who looks forward and isn't scared to have a shot. He was our only player last night who had about 5 shots and wasn't scared. He was shit |
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Post by jzime on Apr 5, 2017 7:42:11 GMT
Not much to dispute here. I think we might end up keeping Bardsley as a second-choice option as bringing in two rightbacks in one window would be costly. I think we'll also struggle to flog Crouch given the fact that he was given a contract only a few months ago, we'd probably end up paying off some of his wages.
The real question, in my opinion, is do you trust Hughes to restructure the squad? I wouldn't trust him with another penny.
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Post by buxtonpotter on Apr 5, 2017 7:43:28 GMT
Players to keep are
Butland
Grant
BMI
Bardsley
Shawcross
Cameron - squad
Adam
Berahino
Arnie
Sobhi
Bony
Diouf
Whelan - squad
Allen
Walters
14 players out of 25.
If we are changing manager add bony and imbula. The rest can move on for my liking
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 5, 2017 7:44:23 GMT
So many people call Adams head when in reality, he's the only CM who looks forward and isn't scared to have a shot. He was our only player last night who had about 5 shots and wasn't scared. He was shit So were the rest of our team but what im saying is he's our only centre mid willing to have a shot, then people wonder why we can't score goals? Nobody else even has shots apart from Arnie and his boots have been on the wrong feet for how long?! |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 5, 2017 7:44:27 GMT
Given Haugaard
Johnson Muniesa Wollscheid
Shaqiri Ireland Adam Imbula
Bojan
Joselu
And obviously wouldn't lose sleep over Crouch, Whelan, Walters.
But then we'd be left with pretty much a 5-a-side team.
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Post by bolders on Apr 5, 2017 7:57:10 GMT
Players to keep are Butland Grant BMI Bardsley Shawcross Cameron - squad Adam Berahino Arnie Sobhi Bony Diouf Whelan - squad Allen Walters 14 players out of 25. If we are changing manager add bony and imbula. The rest can move on for my liking Bony isnt ours so he will go at the end of the season anyway |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 8:03:24 GMT
We're in deep doo-doo with the team and squad with so much remedial work needed.
This is going to a huge summer on and off the pitch with so many important decisions having a major domino effect on the make-up of the team and squad.
I can't see the major overhaul of so many players in and out happening but I personally wouldn't trust Hughes with another penny and he would be the first out of the door the day after the end of the season.
I just hope that Sir Peter will see the situation and act accordingly. Hopefully he can bring in the right successor to Hughes to ensure next season isn't a disaster culminating in relegation (I tried to say the R-word quietly).
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 5, 2017 8:20:08 GMT
Players to keep are Butland Grant BMI Bardsley Shawcross Cameron - squad Adam Berahino Arnie Sobhi Bony Diouf Whelan - squad Allen Walters 14 players out of 25. If we are changing manager add bony and imbula. The rest can move on for my liking Bony isnt ours so he will go at the end of the season anyway Neither is BMI (unless I missed his signing) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 8:44:50 GMT
I don't know what it is with me lately, but none of the players mentioned get me exited these days. Totally and utterly fed with this season. I don't even look forward to going anymore!
P.S. The whole object of the game is to put the ball in the opposition's net. We are f'ing clueless in this aspect of the game.
Rant over!
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Post by bolders on Apr 5, 2017 8:45:31 GMT
Bony isnt ours so he will go at the end of the season anyway Neither is BMI (unless I missed his signing) We are in the process of signing BMI though, we have agreed a fee with Porto and we are in advanced talks with BMI and his agent over this deal |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 5, 2017 10:53:14 GMT
So many people call Adams head when in reality, he's the only CM who looks forward and isn't scared to have a shot. He was our only player last night who had about 5 shots and wasn't scared. But really, what did Adam do last night? He looked half a yard slower than everyone else on the pitch. He was embarrassed by their lad who set up the goal. He fell over taking a corner..... Unlike Bera, Adam has been given years to address his constant fitness and weight issues.... and before anyone comes back with the cocky "I wish I was as fat as Charlie Adam", yes of course you do, because you're a fucking plumber, or accountant, or sales support, or something. Charlie Adam is.... technically speaking, an elite athlete (a term that nobody said ever, when describing Charlie Adam). He's a sportsman playing in one of the highest achievable leagues in his profession. So you have to contrast him to the others in that league. He's permanently unfit. He's incredibly slow..... and it seems he's done jack shit to ever address those issues. I don't expect Charlie Adam to spring an extra yard of pace, but the fitness issues have dogged him throughout his Stoke career.... and stretch back even further to when he was at Liverpool. Before that, it was a different story..... at Blackpool, he played pretty much 90 minutes of every game for them, without blowing out of his arse. It's a problem of his own making, from all accounts. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 5, 2017 11:03:37 GMT
Whelan Johnson Crouch Walters Adam Given Ireland Haugaard Joselu Wollscheid Imbula And ideally but I know we need to keep a squad; Cameron Allen Afellay Wow that's some axe-list. Cut throat.... we'll by like Hull if you ever take over  But yeah, Crouch has to go now. If only to stop Hughes from falling back to him when he's run out of ideas. Even the old "bring Crouch on for the last 5 minutes to head away corners" seems hollow now as a suggestion. Walters, yep... time to go mate. I've backed Adam all the way, but I think yesterday was the tipping point for me. I've told you before, Given caught the first flight to Dublin after Lee Grant's performance against Man Utd early in the season. Ireland still plays for us? Totally forgot he existed. I'd keep Haugaard only because I see no point in fucking him off. Plus he's had a half decent start to life at Wigan. Bring back Joselu!! Not sure about Wolly.... right now he's no worse than what we have. How can we sell Imbula? He's not worth jack shit, we might as well try and keep him and inflate his price. Not keen on letting Cameron or Allen go.... Afellay I just don't see where he fits in currently, which is a shame because on his day he's a Rolls-Royce of a player. |
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Post by thetruepotter on Apr 5, 2017 11:12:07 GMT
I'd listen to offers for the lot of them bar Butland, Arnie and Berahino. We NEED to sign BMI. True |
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Post by silverdollar on Apr 5, 2017 11:17:20 GMT
Hopefully the team has done enough to just about survive this season mainly thanks to the very poor performances by Sunderland, Middlesboro and Hull. Next season is a major concern for me and it really justifies me asking the question whether Mark Hughes is up to the task of protecting our status in the Premier League.
Out of our current 25 squad members the following players must have major question marks against them as being suitable for next season because of age, reliability or quality:- Daniel Bachmann, Phil Bardsley, Eric Pieters, Marc Muniesa, Glen Whelan, Stephen Ireland, Glen Johnson, Wilfred Bony, Ibrahim Afellay, Charlie Adam, Mame Diouf, Jonathan Walters, Gianni Imbula, Xherdan Shaqiri, Shay Given, Peter Crouch.
That is over 60% of the current squad that in my eyes need replacing for one reason or another regardless of contracts.
Take a look at Mark Hughes's record in the transfer market and a massive question arises as to whether he is capable of achieving the massive changes that need to take place.
I do not believe I am being harsh when I look at the names I have mentioned. Mark Hughes has had five years to move our squad forward. I think it is very clear that although certain names and values create the impression we are good it is an illusion and next season we could well be the Sunderland of the Premier League.
I believe Mark Hughes has now lost the confidence of the majority of fans at Stoke despite his previous good league positions.
Mr Coates isn't a dummy and I am sure he will be discussing these issues with his close board members. My opinion is that we require a change sooner rather than later because a manager is going to want to assess the squad in the last few games and then look to bring in at least eight new players. I would certainly be interested to hear what other fans think.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2017 11:18:21 GMT
Whelan Johnson Crouch Walters Adam Given Ireland Haugaard Joselu Wollscheid Imbula And ideally but I know we need to keep a squad; Cameron Allen Afellay Wow that's some axe-list. Cut throat.... we'll by like Hull if you ever take over But yeah, Crouch has to go now. If only to stop Hughes from falling back to him when he's run out of ideas. Even the old "bring Crouch on for the last 5 minutes to head away corners" seems hollow now as a suggestion. Walters, yep... time to go mate. I've backed Adam all the way, but I think yesterday was the tipping point for me. I've told you before, Given caught the first flight to Dublin after Lee Grant's performance against Man Utd early in the season. Ireland still plays for us? Totally forgot he existed. I'd keep Haugaard only because I see no point in fucking him off. Plus he's had a half decent start to life at Wigan. Bring back Joselu!! Not sure about Wolly.... right now he's no worse than what we have. How can we sell Imbula? He's not worth jack shit, we might as well try and keep him and inflate his price. Not keen on letting Cameron or Allen go.... Afellay I just don't see where he fits in currently, which is a shame because on his day he's a Rolls-Royce of a player. Wolly is infinitely worse than Shawcross, BMI and Muni. Joselu is ok but we need better. Imbula we sell on the cheap. Haugaard is just awful. Cameron and Allen going though is just me dreaming and I can see them being good squad players but that's all they should be. |
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 5, 2017 11:20:17 GMT
So many people call Adams head when in reality, he's the only CM who looks forward and isn't scared to have a shot. He was our only player last night who had about 5 shots and wasn't scared. But really, what did Adam do last night? He looked half a yard slower than everyone else on the pitch. He was embarrassed by their lad who set up the goal. He fell over taking a corner..... Unlike Bera, Adam has been given years to address his constant fitness and weight issues.... and before anyone comes back with the cocky "I wish I was as fat as Charlie Adam", yes of course you do, because you're a fucking plumber, or accountant, or sales support, or something. Charlie Adam is.... technically speaking, an elite athlete (a term that nobody said ever, when describing Charlie Adam). He's a sportsman playing in one of the highest achievable leagues in his profession. So you have to contrast him to the others in that league. He's permanently unfit. He's incredibly slow..... and it seems he's done jack shit to ever address those issues. I don't expect Charlie Adam to spring an extra yard of pace, but the fitness issues have dogged him throughout his Stoke career.... and stretch back even further to when he was at Liverpool. Before that, it was a different story..... at Blackpool, he played pretty much 90 minutes of every game for them, without blowing out of his arse. It's a problem of his own making, from all accounts. He can last 90 minutes though? And after all the things you say it still doesn't change the fact Charlie is our ONLY midfielder on the books who looks forward at every opportunity and isn't scared to shoot. Im not his biggest fan myself but like I say he's our only midfielder trying to have a positive influence on the game. |
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 5, 2017 11:21:22 GMT
Coates in general is not a trigger happy chairman, that said we live in different football times. Bet 365 is a massive global brand and has an image to uphold.. Fan dissent and revolt towards the manager would not be good for that and might be more of a consideration for the board than before..further defeats, especially at home would only increase tension.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2017 11:22:12 GMT
But really, what did Adam do last night? He looked half a yard slower than everyone else on the pitch. He was embarrassed by their lad who set up the goal. He fell over taking a corner..... Unlike Bera, Adam has been given years to address his constant fitness and weight issues.... and before anyone comes back with the cocky "I wish I was as fat as Charlie Adam", yes of course you do, because you're a fucking plumber, or accountant, or sales support, or something. Charlie Adam is.... technically speaking, an elite athlete (a term that nobody said ever, when describing Charlie Adam). He's a sportsman playing in one of the highest achievable leagues in his profession. So you have to contrast him to the others in that league. He's permanently unfit. He's incredibly slow..... and it seems he's done jack shit to ever address those issues. I don't expect Charlie Adam to spring an extra yard of pace, but the fitness issues have dogged him throughout his Stoke career.... and stretch back even further to when he was at Liverpool. Before that, it was a different story..... at Blackpool, he played pretty much 90 minutes of every game for them, without blowing out of his arse. It's a problem of his own making, from all accounts. He can last 90 minutes though? And after all the things you say it still doesn't change the fact Charlie is our ONLY midfielder on the books who looks forward at every opportunity and isn't scared to shoot. Im not his biggest fan myself but like I say he's our only midfielder trying to have a positive influence on the game. He rarely does have a positive impact though. And indeed last night he played a massive part in costing us the game. |
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 5, 2017 11:24:50 GMT
He can last 90 minutes though? And after all the things you say it still doesn't change the fact Charlie is our ONLY midfielder on the books who looks forward at every opportunity and isn't scared to shoot. Im not his biggest fan myself but like I say he's our only midfielder trying to have a positive influence on the game. He rarely does have a positive impact though. And indeed last night he played a massive part in costing us the game. Our other centre midfielders are scared to even shoot. And are we forgetting or glossing over Joe Allen's contribution or just scapegoating Charlie? Like i said, he's our only midfielder who has a positive influence on the game and not scared to shoot. Cant remember the last time Allen, Cameron, Whelan etc even had a shot from outside the area? Its a shambles. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2017 11:26:30 GMT
He rarely does have a positive impact though. And indeed last night he played a massive part in costing us the game. Our other centre midfielders are scared to even shoot. And are we forgetting or glossing over Joe Allen's contribution or just scapegoating Charlie? Like i said, he's our only midfielder who has a positive influence on the game and not scared to shoot. Cant remember the last time Allen, Cameron, Whelan etc even had a shot from outside the area? Its a shambles. And Adam when he does is usually from 30 yards away and it's usually the wrong option. I think Joe Allen is toss. I think every midfielder we have isn't good enough. I don't want Whelan and Cameron shooting particularly. |
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 5, 2017 11:28:12 GMT
Our other centre midfielders are scared to even shoot. And are we forgetting or glossing over Joe Allen's contribution or just scapegoating Charlie? Like i said, he's our only midfielder who has a positive influence on the game and not scared to shoot. Cant remember the last time Allen, Cameron, Whelan etc even had a shot from outside the area? Its a shambles. And Adam when he does is usually from 30 yards away and it's usually the wrong option. I think Joe Allen is toss. I think every midfielder we have isn't good enough. I don't want Whelan and Cameron shooting particularly. Exactly, and people wonder why we can't score goals? |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 5, 2017 11:31:49 GMT
We always think there are going to be major league comings and goings in the close season .....in reality it just doesn't happen.
I think our 'transfer team' would have a nervous breakdown if they were asked to do more than 3 or 4 deals.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 5, 2017 11:34:13 GMT
But really, what did Adam do last night? He looked half a yard slower than everyone else on the pitch. He was embarrassed by their lad who set up the goal. He fell over taking a corner..... Unlike Bera, Adam has been given years to address his constant fitness and weight issues.... and before anyone comes back with the cocky "I wish I was as fat as Charlie Adam", yes of course you do, because you're a fucking plumber, or accountant, or sales support, or something. Charlie Adam is.... technically speaking, an elite athlete (a term that nobody said ever, when describing Charlie Adam). He's a sportsman playing in one of the highest achievable leagues in his profession. So you have to contrast him to the others in that league. He's permanently unfit. He's incredibly slow..... and it seems he's done jack shit to ever address those issues. I don't expect Charlie Adam to spring an extra yard of pace, but the fitness issues have dogged him throughout his Stoke career.... and stretch back even further to when he was at Liverpool. Before that, it was a different story..... at Blackpool, he played pretty much 90 minutes of every game for them, without blowing out of his arse. It's a problem of his own making, from all accounts. He can last 90 minutes though? And after all the things you say it still doesn't change the fact Charlie is our ONLY midfielder on the books who looks forward at every opportunity and isn't scared to shoot. Im not his biggest fan myself but like I say he's our only midfielder trying to have a positive influence on the game. Being able to last 90 minutes and being a useful player for 90 minutes are two VERY different things. I've played football at a reasonably decent Sunday league level, and can speak from experience when I say there's a massive difference. We can all last for 90 minutes in the middle of a match, adrenaline kicks in, we grimace, and we push ourselves often through a bit of pain. Now I'm not saying Charlie feels like that, but it's clear that by the end yesterday, he was one of the least effective players on the pitch and for sure as bayern says, he played a huge part in our defeat, not just because of his inability to deal with the Burnley player in the build up to their goal, but also because by the end, he was making trivial mistakes, perhaps due to blowing out of his arse. He's a perfectly reasonable player for 20 minutes, and I always enjoy it when we bring him on. Heck, I often chuck a fiver on him to score any time if we bring him on in the second half. We all know he has a goal in him.... but time and time again, it's been proven that he simply cannot do it for 90 minutes and it's those games where he is found out. Sunderland a few years ago is one that I remember very well, primarily because he actually scored in the game..... He was still dreadful though by the end. |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 5, 2017 11:35:09 GMT
Wow that's some axe-list. Cut throat.... we'll by like Hull if you ever take over But yeah, Crouch has to go now. If only to stop Hughes from falling back to him when he's run out of ideas. Even the old "bring Crouch on for the last 5 minutes to head away corners" seems hollow now as a suggestion. Walters, yep... time to go mate. I've backed Adam all the way, but I think yesterday was the tipping point for me. I've told you before, Given caught the first flight to Dublin after Lee Grant's performance against Man Utd early in the season. Ireland still plays for us? Totally forgot he existed. I'd keep Haugaard only because I see no point in fucking him off. Plus he's had a half decent start to life at Wigan. Bring back Joselu!! Not sure about Wolly.... right now he's no worse than what we have. How can we sell Imbula? He's not worth jack shit, we might as well try and keep him and inflate his price. Not keen on letting Cameron or Allen go.... Afellay I just don't see where he fits in currently, which is a shame because on his day he's a Rolls-Royce of a player. Wolly is infinitely worse than Shawcross, BMI and Muni. Joselu is ok but we need better. Imbula we sell on the cheap. Haugaard is just awful. Cameron and Allen going though is just me dreaming and I can see them being good squad players but that's all they should be. Disagree regarding Wolly and to be honest, I believe our goal difference by the end of this season will tell it's own story.... none of which can be blamed on the big German. Currently it's not too bad...... that might all change in a few weeks. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 5, 2017 11:37:09 GMT
Wolly is infinitely worse than Shawcross, BMI and Muni. Joselu is ok but we need better. Imbula we sell on the cheap. Haugaard is just awful. Cameron and Allen going though is just me dreaming and I can see them being good squad players but that's all they should be. Disagree regarding Wolly and to be honest, I believe our goal difference by the end of this season will tell it's own story.... none of which can be blamed on the big German. Currently it's not too bad...... that might all change in a few weeks. If you don't think those 3 are infinitely better defenders then there's no hope. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 11:37:22 GMT
He can last 90 minutes though? And after all the things you say it still doesn't change the fact Charlie is our ONLY midfielder on the books who looks forward at every opportunity and isn't scared to shoot. Im not his biggest fan myself but like I say he's our only midfielder trying to have a positive influence on the game. He rarely does have a positive impact though. And indeed last night he played a massive part in costing us the game. The clamour for Charlie Adam paints a picture of where our midfield is at. He's bog-standard, he got a reputation for excellent set-piece delivery (which is utterly wank these days), and is some kind of self-styled hatchet man, making up for lack of pace with the ability to crog people. |
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