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Post by trigger on Apr 5, 2017 6:13:59 GMT
Hughes has had whatever he wants money wise to mould his team, waited and waited and waited a little more for Berhanino and it's gone spectacularly tits up.
Bony, Walters,Joselu, Crouch, Shaqiri,Bojan and we still couldn't score on a night out in Burslem.
Let's face facts here Hughes hasn't got a clue what he's doing. He's got to go NOW.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 5, 2017 6:17:07 GMT
Hughes has had whatever he wants money wise to mould his team, waited and waited and waited a little more for Berhanino and it's gone spectacularly tits up. Bony, Walters,Joselu, Crouch, Shaqiri,Bojan and we still couldn't score on a night out in Burslem. Let's face facts here Hughes hasn't got a clue what he's doing. He's got to go NOW. How do you know? The squad needs major surgery - Coates won't spend that money. I'm amazed he's sanctioned the deals he has after the Crouch/Palacios fiasco.
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Post by hchpotter on Apr 5, 2017 6:59:39 GMT
Hughes pursued Berahino relentlessly for two years. He's got his man and should start him in every game to the end of the season, along with Sobhi. Mark and the team have been allowed to bring in and jettison Bojan, Imbula, Joselu, Wollscheid, Diouf to right back, Shaqiri to Switzerland. Bony is paid a fortune and cannot even get into the match day squad. I won't even mention Ireland, Given, Haugaard, Johnson, Texeira, Van Ginkel.
Given how long he chased him Hughes must have a plan for Berahino. He says he was aware of the drugs allegations before the news broke in the press and therefore he must have faith in him. Coates showed faith in Hughes and backed his judgement. It's now up to Hughes and Berahino to repay that faith. If he can't get fit between January and April after the extra training camps he had in France he must have been in a hell of a state when he arrived.
To be fair he at least showed some positive attributes last night and therefore we must persist with him. This signing will either finish or prolong Hughes' tenure at the club. All the rest of his fat cat signings he seems to have got away with.
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Post by fca47 on Apr 5, 2017 7:07:08 GMT
The problem with how we are playing, the finisher, Berahino is not getting into the box, he made two chances for someone who can't finish, the wrong way around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 7:07:43 GMT
Hughes has had whatever he wants money wise to mould his team He hasn't though has he? You yourself were on here in the first two seasons telling everyone that Hughes won't have much money because you had been told that Coates Snr and Jnr didn't want to spend the money, and that everyone should just calm down with their expectations when we were getting linked to loads of expensive players in the press. Bony was a target at Vitesse in his first season (Maybe we would have got the Swansea version?). Wanyama was also a target when he left Celtic (A player of his ilk was definitely needed!), as was Dusan Tadic. Hughes has admitted that all three were on his radar. Cedric Soares was also a target, and we ended up with Phil Bardsley and Glen Johnson on free transfers! Nathan Redmond was also a target. Hughes has spent money but you can't say he has always had what he wants. Couple that with the repeated mantra of self sufficiency from the club and you realise that we really have tried to do it on the cheap over the last few years. Hughes' net spend is 58M over 4 seasons - an average of 14.5M a season. Under the last manager, his net spend was 95.5M over 5 seasons - an average of 19.1M a season. Bare in mind that the TV money has increased since we swapped managers and our spending has come down. It isn't rocket science to work out what exactly is going on here. Yes, the manager has spent big on certain individual signings, but the overall transfer spend is being reduced. Only a few weeks ago, we have had a stark warning from the CEO to say that we won't necessarily spend big money and break our transfer record every summer. We know what that means and we know what he is really telling us. I'm a big advocate of transfers and scouting being done right, and that money isn't the be all and end all in all of this, but what the hell does an average of 14.5M a year buy you these days? The club have been very cute in bringing in a few headline, big money signings to mask the overall drop in spending IMO.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2017 7:07:54 GMT
Hughes has had whatever he wants money wise to mould his team, waited and waited and waited a little more for Berhanino and it's gone spectacularly tits up. Bony, Walters,Joselu, Crouch, Shaqiri,Bojan and we still couldn't score on a night out in Burslem. Let's face facts here Hughes hasn't got a clue what he's doing. He's got to go NOW. How do you know? The squad needs major surgery - Coates won't spend that money. I'm amazed he's sanctioned the deals he has after the Crouch/Palacios fiasco. This squad is worse than the squad he inherited from Pulis, he has wasted millions in transfer fees and wages and taken us backwards, we have now reverted to Pulis ball without the defensive organisation. Our player of the season looks likely to be Indi who is on loan who won't sign for him.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 5, 2017 7:21:33 GMT
What was telling for me last night was the chance we got from a Burnley corner in a breakaway counter-attack. Diouf stole the ball and put Arnie through on goal only for his awful first touch.
Berahino by then had just made it to the half-way line as Arnie was in the oppositions penalty area. Basically out of the picture completely.
I dont know who he was marking for the corner but you would expect him to be leading those counter-attacks but it was our right-back Diouf along with Arnie.
Everyone saying he needs through-balls to run onto. He NEVER beat his defender for pace the whole night and Keane basically had Berahino in his back pocket. He needs to find yard of pace that even Defoe has at the age of 35
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Post by superheroantonius on Apr 5, 2017 7:22:14 GMT
Same as bony believes he is better than he is but still no goals. Crouch at least has been scoring goals Crouchy does more than score a few goals, he gets on the end of crosses and knocks them down for arnie,Allen etc He wins defensive corners and heads the ball clear, clears the odd one off the line from corners and free kicks. He actually has a sense of where to go on the pitch and though I am certain he doesn't enjoy it, will accept the odd elbow in the face a long the way, and do what he can to help. Which I agree is more than what Bony does
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 5, 2017 7:37:56 GMT
The only decent chances we had were created by Berahino playing in Arnie. The lad has had hardly any decent service from those around him, I don't think he's to blame. Paying 10 mill for a striker you'd hope he could at some point create his own chances now and then. Even the likes of Aguero rely on decent service, bizarrely we were twatting balls to Berahino's head instead of playing into his feet or playing any sort of decent through ball. He didn't create any chances of his own but he did create really good chances for Arnie who was unable to return the favour.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 7:40:28 GMT
We need a player who can pass to our forwards and can pop in the odd goal himself but he's in Germany at the moment we so need him back it's barmy 🤔
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 5, 2017 8:28:00 GMT
We have a template for these things
Half a dozen starts --> 4 or 5 out of the first 11 --> out of the match day 18 --> out on loan.
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Post by mrred on Apr 5, 2017 8:31:36 GMT
He's playing in a system that's completely broken and devoid of any sort of confidence or flair. Get a manager in that knows what he's doing and we'll start seeing goals. Whether it's through him or the team as a collective.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 8:35:18 GMT
We've spent £33m between Imbula and Berahino - Hughes doesn't know how to use either of them, he falls back to the old TP signings of Adam & Crouch.
If I was Coates I wouldn't give him another penny.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 5, 2017 8:41:54 GMT
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Apr 5, 2017 9:34:33 GMT
maybe someone spiked the water
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Post by stokey127 on Apr 5, 2017 9:42:16 GMT
Make no mistake that's what we've done. No goals in FIVE games and playing him so he can get match fit? It was all self inflicted so why do we have to suffer? Stick him in the reserves until the fat lazy lardarse gets fit. We were doing fine with Crouch up top He just needs the right service using peters and Douif Not helping . Mark please use our trustie players
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Post by stantheman on Apr 5, 2017 9:42:56 GMT
We've spent £33m between Imbula and Berahino - Hughes doesn't know how to use either of them, he falls back to the old TP signings of Adam & Crouch. If I was Coates I wouldn't give him another penny. The Shaqiri mystery is what pisses me off. Obviously doesn't want to be any where near the place. Poor management to blame Major surgery is required, which invariably costs a fuck load of cash
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Apr 5, 2017 9:56:16 GMT
This is another indicator that SB is far from the person that most Stoke supporters think (hope) he is. The guy has never shown a scintilla of maturity.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 5, 2017 12:46:09 GMT
We have learnt from W From fans hecis ineffective as a lone striker yet at present he is being asked to play that role. I think in his game time so far he has only had one shot in the box?. We have or Hughes has shown no inclination as I can tell to rectify that?.. What is the plan, or is there a plan?. Even if he is razor sharp come the start of next season unless we change our style he will not prosper.
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Post by robstokie on Apr 5, 2017 14:01:03 GMT
You can't fault Sparky's logic for playing him - To get him up and running with an eye on him to start next season firing. But he is wasted when our slow, plodding and undynamic midfielders are being over-ran week in, week out and don't have the vision or quality to create the chances he needs, which will lead to him becoming disillusioned. It's a catch-22 situation to be honest - don't play him, it's a waste of money and he won't hit any kind of form, play him - he doesn't get the service or support he needs.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 5, 2017 14:24:15 GMT
Would you rather no goals Diouf, no goals Bony, no goals Joselu, or 100 goals and a bag of Wethers Originals Peter Crouch? Shall we stick Berahino at right back and see how many goals he gets?
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Post by sergeifaye on Apr 5, 2017 16:18:07 GMT
The only decent chances we had were created by Berahino playing in Arnie. The lad has had hardly any decent service from those around him, I don't think he's to blame. He looks nowhere near fit which in turn denies him the pace we desperately need. Or an even worse case scenario he just doesn't have the pace. The only way I can see him succeeding is playing alongside a big guy. I'm praying he has a decent pre season and comes back fit.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Apr 5, 2017 16:37:07 GMT
He didn't score or remotely look like it. Five games.... And counting It's not 5 games as you all keep saying, (just because the first poster did and you all presume he's right) it's 8 games, over 20% of the season. The fact is right now he's not up to it but if we're strict on him in the summer and preseason then he'll produce...but he'll need babysitting because this guy can't be trusted to keep off the booze and other substances without supervision, he's proved that already with drink driving and his drug taking. He went off the rails on 15k a week at albion, what's he going to do on 70k+ a week with us? Someone needs to be looking after him and keep the leaches away from him, easier said than done. The single biggest load of shit I have ever read and Benjamin Biscuit posts regularly mate. Everything you wrote there is based on assumptions and lacks any facts. What about the fact that he has been taken off in every game? He is completely adamant that he never took drugs at all and was spiked, but you talk all the bollocks you want. He's struggling because the manager doesn't know how to set up a team. End of.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 5, 2017 16:44:11 GMT
I see Tone is still lurking on the board creating threads then....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 16:48:24 GMT
How do you know? The squad needs major surgery - Coates won't spend that money. I'm amazed he's sanctioned the deals he has after the Crouch/Palacios fiasco. This squad is worse than the squad he inherited from Pulis, he has wasted millions in transfer fees and wages and taken us backwards, we have now reverted to Pulis ball without the defensive organisation. Our player of the season looks likely to be Indi who is on loan who won't sign for him. It is most definitely not worse than Pulis' squad. It is a great squad, being utilised badly (or not at all in some players' cases), and in need of two additions, at right back and defensive midfield. Not a defence of Hughes, but saying the squad is worse than 2013 is just not true.
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Post by buxtonpotter on Apr 5, 2017 17:12:41 GMT
Hughes has spent the last 3 or 4 or more chasing berahino, now he's got his man he hasn't a clue how to utilise him. You couldn't make it up.
For instance, if he knew back then he wanted a berahino type striker and had any kind of plan why not start buying players to suit a system to get the best from a player like that? It's become obvious he hasn't got a plan. All this time chasing berahino led me to believe he was the vital piece of the jig-saw.
Get somebody in with some nouse, jeez
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 5, 2017 17:29:19 GMT
It's not 5 games as you all keep saying, (just because the first poster did and you all presume he's right) it's 8 games, over 20% of the season. The fact is right now he's not up to it but if we're strict on him in the summer and preseason then he'll produce...but he'll need babysitting because this guy can't be trusted to keep off the booze and other substances without supervision, he's proved that already with drink driving and his drug taking. He went off the rails on 15k a week at albion, what's he going to do on 70k+ a week with us? Someone needs to be looking after him and keep the leaches away from him, easier said than done. The single biggest load of shit I have ever read and Benjamin Biscuit posts regularly mate. Everything you wrote there is based on assumptions and lacks any facts. What about the fact that he has been taken off in every game? He is completely adamant that he never took drugs at all and was spiked, but you talk all the bollocks you want. He's struggling because the manager doesn't know how to set up a team. End of. It's a baggies fan.
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