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Post by pottersrule on Apr 4, 2017 21:04:44 GMT
He played Arnie in twice,who couldn't finish his dinner at the moment.
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Post by stantheman on Apr 4, 2017 21:04:45 GMT
How many chances did he have? Our midfield couldn't find their bollocks at the moment. He's not there to pretend he's playing for Barcelona and wait to be played in with an inch perfect pass from our 80% possession He's there to make things happen, a bit like what sobhi and arnie do and a bit like what sjw tries to do Arnie wants to take a dozen touches and score the perfect goal. He should have had a hatful tonight,
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Post by lee1982 on Apr 4, 2017 21:05:05 GMT
Throwing 12+million away seems to be the norm these says
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 4, 2017 21:05:15 GMT
Would you rather no goals Diouf, no goals Bony, no goals Joselu, or 100 goals and a bag of Wethers Originals Peter Crouch? Ermmmm Yep, another £15m spunked away by the Welsh wizard, we were warned by Pulis about SB I bet he is laughing his fuckin cap off.
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Post by lee1982 on Apr 4, 2017 21:07:32 GMT
He needs to get match fit so he is ready to start as our new right back next season
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Post by liamo on Apr 4, 2017 21:08:17 GMT
He needs someone to link up with, another Mark Hughes purchase that doesn't suit the system we play, whatever the fuck that is If the whole squad was treated equally they'd all be on the bench with Imbula or rotting at the bottom of the Bundesliga on loan
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 4, 2017 21:09:12 GMT
He's not there to pretend he's playing for Barcelona and wait to be played in with an inch perfect pass from our 80% possession He's there to make things happen, a bit like what sobhi and arnie do and a bit like what sjw tries to do And that in a nutshell is it. Baggies mate of mine said he's like Defoe- without the finishing n Or the speed and Defoe is 10 years older he was lighting at Berahino 's age
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Post by scfcwebby on Apr 4, 2017 21:10:12 GMT
He is being played and then hung out to f****** dry by stupid Tactics from Mr Hughes. What good is lumping balls up to his head as if he is Ibrahimovic going to achieve?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:15:40 GMT
Blame the manager not Berahino.
Said it at the time and I'll say it again, why did we chase after a player I the January window who was clearly unfit,clearly not match fit and hadn't kicked a ball in anger for such a long time? It was pretty fucking obvious that he wasn't going to come in and hit the ground running, well apart from to Hughes.
What's always baffled me about Mark Hughes is that for someone who was such a great striker he hasn't got the first clue how to get the best out of any of the front men he's tried for us and all the frigging about he has done tells me he will never get it right.
It's definitely time to go at the end of this season, I'm ready to see what another man can do with this expensively assembled squad because while we have some issues with the balance of our squad we also have some really talented players that are performing well below their best for our current man in charge, and have been for some time now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:17:38 GMT
Hardly disgraceful to criticise a striker who is unfit with no movement or goals in five games. Why does he keep getting taken off? Ask Hughes. The guy that prefers Adam over Affelay and keeps playing others out of position. And talk about movement? You don't watch him close enough. Every game he's making little dashes in behind the defenders. Sadly, the right ball never gets played. Maybe the problem with our attack recently lies with management...not the attackers. Clearly not being used effectively.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Apr 4, 2017 21:20:33 GMT
Interested in what people thought we were getting with Saido. He was never going to be a Ricardo Fuller chasing lost causes in the channels and creating goals out of nothing and he's not a target man to lump it to and flick it on. The man is a goal scorer and a finisher and how can we expect him to do that with absolutely no service? Yes he's a way off fitness but when he's had the ball into feet his link up and hold up play has been OK. He's not had a single clear cut chance since he's been here though, this is what we need to sort to get the best out of him. Yet another player we've signed who should be a decent signing yet Hughes has no idea what system to play to suit him or anyone else he's signed.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Apr 4, 2017 21:21:21 GMT
He didn't score or remotely look like it. Five games.... And counting To be fair mate, he's had zero fucking service resulting in not even a sniff of a chance. Something's broken, and it's not Berahino. Thought he did well tonight, again with zero service, and he put a couple of chances on a plate for Arnie. The problems run far deeper than a striker who's getting no fucking service whatsoever.
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Post by wuzza on Apr 4, 2017 21:22:08 GMT
He should absolutley have seen the season out in the reserves so he could get the basics together in relative privacy. He is being hung out to dry by being stuck in a line up that simply hasnt got a clue what it is trying to do up front. All we are are currently doing is destroying his confidence and whatever credibility he had when he arrived.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 4, 2017 21:22:27 GMT
Bad service in five games?
Yes absolutely bad service in five games ...
Ask yourself, why have Joselu, Diouf and Bony all failed as strikers since they arrived here?
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 4, 2017 21:24:45 GMT
He should absolutley have seen the season out in the reserves so he could get the basics together in relative privacy. He is being hung out to dry by being stuck in a line up that simply hasnt got a clue what it is trying to do up front. All we are are currently doing is destroying his confidence and whatever credibility he had when he arrived. There is that but you can bet your bottom dollar putting him the reserves wouldn't work
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Post by wuzza on Apr 4, 2017 21:29:40 GMT
He should absolutley have seen the season out in the reserves so he could get the basics together in relative privacy. He is being hung out to dry by being stuck in a line up that simply hasnt got a clue what it is trying to do up front. All we are are currently doing is destroying his confidence and whatever credibility he had when he arrived. There is that but you can bet your bottom dollar putting him the reserves wouldn't work Maybe, maybe no - whatever way you look at it his signing was a massive gamble which frankly I didn't think we needed to take but now we have we seem to be doing our best to make sure it goes south at a rate of knots!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 4, 2017 21:32:47 GMT
Its not Berahino's fault he's not being played in the right way or the team aren't. Whatever way you want to look at it.
His game's based around the ball being played along the ground to him not trying to win long balls.
He's best suited to being up top in a 4231 where you have a Shaq/Affelay/Bojan type behind him. The type who can see a pass but has the support of Arni and Sobhi out wide and will knock tricky ball in for him.
I actually thought he did Ok today and you can see he has a bit about him.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Apr 4, 2017 21:33:34 GMT
We've scrimped and saved and cut corners on spending again.
We've bought another player nobody else really wanted.
We've bought another player with a negligible track record of scoring.
Another player who doesn't fit the system who we seem to have no way of getting the best out of.
Haven't stoke been doing this since the TP days?
Its the shit show amateurs behind the scenes that run the club from top to bottom I'm afraid.
This goes far deeper than LMH and you have your eyes shut if you think otherwise
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Post by pieman72 on Apr 4, 2017 21:36:39 GMT
Same as bony believes he is better than he is but still no goals. Crouch at least has been scoring goals
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 21:41:47 GMT
Bad service in five games? Dead right. Instead of somehow, bizarrely, managing to blame Berahino for our ills, ask yourself why we've not managed to offer him any level of service whatsoever over that five games? Do you count Ryan lumping it 80 yards to him, as service? Or the countless through- balls that no fucker has played to him in that period. Or the lack of any quality ball into the box. Or the set-pieces that don't beat thr first man. I think he's shown some promise, despite being royally hung out to dry by our shitty 'system' and unfathomable tactics.
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Post by paulinespens on Apr 4, 2017 21:42:17 GMT
The only decent chances we had were created by Berahino playing in Arnie. The lad has had hardly any decent service from those around him, I don't think he's to blame. Paying 10 mill for a striker you'd hope he could at some point create his own chances now and then.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 4, 2017 21:46:54 GMT
Bad service in five games?
Yes absolutely bad service in five games ...
Ask yourself, why have Joselu, Diouf and Bony all failed as strikers since they arrived here?
Diouf did OK on the only season he was played up front consistently. The others are lazy , maybe OK in very creative sides but we have never been that good apart from when Bojan was on fire and on the odd occasion when Shaq's turned up
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Post by minnierover on Apr 4, 2017 21:47:57 GMT
He didn't score or remotely look like it. Five games.... And counting It's not 5 games as you all keep saying, (just because the first poster did and you all presume he's right) it's 8 games, over 20% of the season. The fact is right now he's not up to it but if we're strict on him in the summer and preseason then he'll produce...but he'll need babysitting because this guy can't be trusted to keep off the booze and other substances without supervision, he's proved that already with drink driving and his drug taking. He went off the rails on 15k a week at albion, what's he going to do on 70k+ a week with us? Someone needs to be looking after him and keep the leaches away from him, easier said than done.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 4, 2017 21:55:11 GMT
Yes absolutely bad service in five games ...
Ask yourself, why have Joselu, Diouf and Bony all failed as strikers since they arrived here?
Diouf did OK on the only season he was played up front consistently. The others are lazy , maybe OK in very creative sides but we have never been that good apart from when Bojan was on fire and on the odd occasion when Shaq's turned up
So it's one of two things then:
1. Hughes doesn't know how to provide service to his strikers.
or
2. Hughes has got a terrible record of choosing strikers.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 4, 2017 22:06:46 GMT
Diouf did OK on the only season he was played up front consistently. The others are lazy , maybe OK in very creative sides but we have never been that good apart from when Bojan was on fire and on the odd occasion when Shaq's turned up
So it's one of two things then:
1. Hughes doesn't know how to provide service to his strikers.
or
2. Hughes has got a terrible record of choosing strikers.
The answer is 1, clearly.
I wonder what it will take for people to realise this. We could have Ibrahimovic here and he would have been luck to get 5 goals for us this season. He'd be watching on as arnie turns back into traffic, passes it back until it goes to Shawcross or Grant to hoof up a dolly ball for the other team. He'd be tearing his hair out as arnie, adam, allen, affellay play a load of sideways passes before Pieters puts a cross in from deep, (never from the bye line, we never get anyone to the bye line) which misses everyone out.
I don't blame our players, they put in a lot of effort tonight. Footballers are not the sharpest and need to be given guidance about what we need to do as a team to score goals.
I think Hughes just moves players into positions and formations then leaves them to it. Apart from wasting money in the transfer market I am struggling to see what he is doing right now
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Apr 4, 2017 22:13:07 GMT
Diouf did OK on the only season he was played up front consistently. The others are lazy , maybe OK in very creative sides but we have never been that good apart from when Bojan was on fire and on the odd occasion when Shaq's turned up
So it's one of two things then:
1. Hughes doesn't know how to provide service to his strikers.
or
2. Hughes has got a terrible record of choosing strikers.
I don't think he is great at picking them and I don't think he works hard enough with the players or looking for the ones to supply them. I think he is a decent manager who knows he ain't getting anything better and us complacent , might be bollocks but it's written all over his team .
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 4, 2017 22:23:27 GMT
So it's one of two things then:
1. Hughes doesn't know how to provide service to his strikers.
or
2. Hughes has got a terrible record of choosing strikers.
I don't think he is great at picking them and I don't think he works hard enough with the players or looking for the ones to supply them. I think he is a decent manager who knows he ain't getting anything better and us complacent , might be bollocks but it's written all over his team . Complacency is a key word too. It seems to permeate through the squad and coaching staff. There is a lack of urgency and sometimes effort in our performances on the field.
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Post by stantheman on Apr 4, 2017 23:45:54 GMT
He's desperate fir a strike partner. Not Joe Allen or some kind of attacking midfielder. Bring Crouch and Sobi on and go with 2 up top. Take the walking free kick Pieters off and stick Muni st left back. Either Allen or Adam off as well. 442 when your losing a game with very little time left.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Apr 5, 2017 0:31:50 GMT
We could have Aguero or Messi up front and they wouldn't score with the service we provide. It really is hard to believe that Sparky was a quality striker and hence knows what a striker needs to score regularly.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 5, 2017 1:10:40 GMT
Is Hughes telling our defenders, more often than not Shawcross, to twat the ball at him? Shawcross is a great defender but that's all he knows going forward because that's all he's ever been required to do.
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