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Post by Pugsley on Mar 18, 2017 23:29:08 GMT
Honestly now, are you ever confident in the goalkeeper when the ball is crossed into our box? Yes. Caught a couple, they didn't overly threaten from crosses or most of the corners. Not excusing the free kick it was a combination of shit organisation and positioning from Grant, and world class shit from Willian. There was a postcard sent. The second was a fuck up preceded by a cracking reflex save as I recall. I think at this stage Grant is a better all round keeper than Jack, Jack will no doubt get better if he realises he's not a sweeper keeper, and improves his kicking and communication. It's good competition, not a given. Bollocks.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 18, 2017 23:33:17 GMT
Is this signed-a-contract-now-I-can-relax syndrome? I bloody hope not. He did everything wrong on the first. Didn't set up the wall correctly, didn't cover the post and flapped at the ball. Point blank from 8 yards on the second - no-one would have stopped that.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 18, 2017 23:34:09 GMT
Yes. Caught a couple, they didn't overly threaten from crosses or most of the corners. Not excusing the free kick it was a combination of shit organisation and positioning from Grant, and world class shit from Willian. There was a postcard sent. The second was a fuck up preceded by a cracking reflex save as I recall. I think at this stage Grant is a better all round keeper than Jack, Jack will no doubt get better if he realises he's not a sweeper keeper, and improves his kicking and communication. It's good competition, not a given. Bollocks. I'm right though.
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Post by rawli on Mar 19, 2017 0:52:29 GMT
Honestly now, are you ever confident in the goalkeeper when the ball is crossed into our box? Yes. Caught a couple, they didn't overly threaten from crosses or most of the corners. Not excusing the free kick it was a combination of shit organisation and positioning from Grant, and world class shit from Willian. There was a postcard sent. The second was a fuck up preceded by a cracking reflex save as I recall. I think at this stage Grant is a better all round keeper than Jack, Jack will no doubt get better if he realises he's not a sweeper keeper, and improves his kicking and communication. It's good competition, not a given. Don't agree that Grant is better than Jack. He was amazing for us up to his injury. Grant has been good since he arrived but Butland is far superior.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Mar 19, 2017 0:56:43 GMT
Absolute attention seeking bollocks. One bad mistake today, but arguably been our best player overall this season. I look forward to seeing Jack back and fighting for his place, but to start slating Grant is bang out of order IMO.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Mar 19, 2017 1:00:25 GMT
1st Goal: "EVERYBODY" should have done better....not just the keeper, it caught everyone out, and who's to say Butland wouldn't have been caught out either???
2nd Goal: how the fuck that was down to Grant is beyond me??? I'm a big fan of Peiters, but it was a HUGE mistake by him!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 1:09:37 GMT
He's as far away from being a Championship team's third choice keeper as you're ever likely to get.
Of course we've missed Butland. I honestly don't think there are many teams in Europe that wouldn't miss that kind of quality. But of all the problems you could point to in our team or squad, Grant's role in it would be the least of them. For a stand-in, he's been superb.
And if we're blaming him for the first goal, and OK, I accept it's reasonable to do so, let's at least admit that it was as perfectly placed a free-kick as you could get.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Mar 19, 2017 1:16:17 GMT
Yes. Caught a couple, they didn't overly threaten from crosses or most of the corners. Not excusing the free kick it was a combination of shit organisation and positioning from Grant, and world class shit from Willian. There was a postcard sent. The second was a fuck up preceded by a cracking reflex save as I recall. I think at this stage Grant is a better all round keeper than Jack, Jack will no doubt get better if he realises he's not a sweeper keeper, and improves his kicking and communication. It's good competition, not a given. Don't agree that Grant is better than Jack. He was amazing for us up to his injury. Grant has been good since he arrived but Butland is far superior. Opinions mate and I'm not doubting Jack's potential, and how good he was for us. Not that stats are everything but I distinctly recall Jack's first spell in nets deputising for Bego, conceded 14 in 4 games or something. I think Grant's clean sheets and stats in his first 20 or so games would be better than Jack's. I dunno but Jack's kicking dipped and he seemed too keen on the passing it around at the back and that. I like Grant's no nonsense purer goalkeeping approach. Can't say Jack is a much better shot stopper, Grant has pulled off loads of jaw droppers. So as we stand, a return from a long term niggling injury{2} I don't think Jack holds many trumps. Good competition.
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 19, 2017 1:58:30 GMT
Player of season for me closely followed by Bruno and then Allen. One bad game he's been a breath of fresh air, our fortunes changes the day he come to this club.
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Post by Royal Donut on Mar 19, 2017 2:01:05 GMT
It always helps when the wall you put there stays put. Not jumps and turns their back. Still should of saved it though, the defence had a hand in both goals.
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Post by thegift on Mar 19, 2017 2:03:57 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. get a grip.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 19, 2017 6:30:24 GMT
Is this signed-a-contract-now-I-can-relax syndrome? I bloody hope not. He did everything wrong on the first. Didn't set up the wall correctly, didn't cover the post and flapped at the ball. Point blank from 8 yards on the second - no-one would have stopped that. Nah he's allowed an off day, but he should be screaming for the second before Pieters even gets to it.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Mar 19, 2017 7:06:24 GMT
Player of season for me closely followed by Bruno and then Allen. One bad game he's been a breath of fresh air, our fortunes changes the day he come to this club. Correct, he has been a lifesaver for us really. Some on here clearly think he should be perfect. Grant has done remarkably well and doesn't deserve the mealy-mouthed comments by some on here.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 19, 2017 7:10:03 GMT
Player of season for me closely followed by Bruno and then Allen. One bad game he's been a breath of fresh air, our fortunes changes the day he come to this club. Correct, he has been a lifesaver for us really. Some on here clearly think he should be perfect. Grant has done remarkably well and doesn't deserve the mealy-mouthed comments by some on here. He isn't above criticism, and its deserved after yesterday, but he'll still be player of the season come the end and rightfully so.
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Post by robwahlmann on Mar 19, 2017 7:44:36 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. This is probably one of the most unfair comments ever on this board! Yesterday was probably the first time he made a mistake that have cost us anything at all! He has ben f------g excellent the whole season for us (I know he didn't play the first games for us), and also yesterday he made some outstanding saves! How many games have you actually seen this season!!!
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Post by britvic72 on Mar 19, 2017 7:58:34 GMT
Let's forget the Luis free kick he kept out (seem to remember him scoring one from the same circumstances against Liverpool) and the point blank Alonso effort. First was poor to concede if we don't give Willian any credit for scoring it, and the second he had no chance with but Pieter shouldn't have teed it up for Cahill in the first place. Can't blame the keeper yesterday. We got beaten by top of the league and on another day could have got something from the game. Move on to the next match
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 19, 2017 8:10:01 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. This is probably one of the most unfair comments ever on this board! Yesterday was probably the first time he made a mistake that have cost us anything at all! He has ben f------g excellent the whole season for us (I know he didn't play the first games for us), and also yesterday he made some outstanding saves! How many games have you actually seen this season!!! I used to think Pugs was a wind up merchant. But I think he really means what he says, he would prefer it if Grant didn't bother to make good saves because he sometimes makes mistakes. To a purist like Pugs, the good saves simply ruin his day - he prefers keepers to be bad all the time rather than a mix of good and bad,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:14:56 GMT
The headline is right. He can't come back quick enough as he is the better keeper and a future England No. 1.
However, Grant has been excellent all season, a bargain for what we paid and frankly doesn't deserve the criticism overall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:20:00 GMT
Howler from Pieters (expected, he's poor) but Grant could of shouted for him to leave it. No Chelsea player in sight, piss weak header would of dribbled into his arms. He's all over the place when the ball comes across his area. The first goal is a catastrophic error. Pieters shouldn't even be standing in front of his goalkeeper. It's a balls up all around, from keeper, to full back and back to the training ground. You'd expect experienced players to know what they're doing in a match situation though, and maybe Jack would've organised the situation better. It was just a pathetic goal to concede. I can't remember the last time I felt so angry at goal we've conceded. This. Our set up for corners is all wrong. It's an accident waiting to happen. No one on the posts. Kante and Willian were standing unmarked on the edge of the box for every one. What we do in training God only knows.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:21:53 GMT
Don't agree that Grant is better than Jack. He was amazing for us up to his injury. Grant has been good since he arrived but Butland is far superior. Opinions mate and I'm not doubting Jack's potential, and how good he was for us. Not that stats are everything but I distinctly recall Jack's first spell in nets deputising for Bego, conceded 14 in 4 games or something. I think Grant's clean sheets and stats in his first 20 or so games would be better than Jack's. I dunno but Jack's kicking dipped and he seemed too keen on the passing it around at the back and that. I like Grant's no nonsense purer goalkeeping approach. Can't say Jack is a much better shot stopper, Grant has pulled off loads of jaw droppers. So as we stand, a return from a long term niggling injury{2} I don't think Jack holds many trumps. Good competition. I'm sorry mate Grant is no where near Jacks level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:29:29 GMT
Just watched them back and the first goal is all Lee grant's fault. He sets the wall up and fails to get across. However people aren't giving Willian any credit as it was a fantastic piece if quick thinking and brilliant free kick. 2nd goal is all about Erik pieters. Firstly the pathetic back pass that led to the corner and then the ridiculous attempt at clearing the ball. No fault at all lies with grant on that one
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Post by Trouserdog on Mar 19, 2017 8:53:42 GMT
We're in March now and their first goal was the first real big fuck up he's made all season.
I think because we signed him from Derby's reserves, some people decided there and then that he must be shit, without even seeing him play.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:55:15 GMT
Just watched them back and the first goal is all Lee grant's fault. He sets the wall up and fails to get across. However people aren't giving Willian any credit as it was a fantastic piece if quick thinking and brilliant free kick. 2nd goal is all about Erik pieters. Firstly the pathetic back pass that led to the corner and then the ridiculous attempt at clearing the ball. No fault at all lies with grant on that one Exactly. And no one will know more than Lee Grant and Eric Pieters that it was their individual errors. Their reactions spoke volumes and they are both honest pros. In fact it's Eric who usually fronts up after a hammering and does the interviews and is always forthright....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 8:58:39 GMT
Just watched them back and the first goal is all Lee grant's fault. He sets the wall up and fails to get across. However people aren't giving Willian any credit as it was a fantastic piece if quick thinking and brilliant free kick. 2nd goal is all about Erik pieters. Firstly the pathetic back pass that led to the corner and then the ridiculous attempt at clearing the ball. No fault at all lies with grant on that one Exactly. And no one will know more than Lee Grant and Eric Pieters that it was their individual errors. Their reactions spoke volumes and they are both honest pros. In fact it's Eric who usually fronts up after a hammering and does the interviews and is always forthright.... Totally agree bud. Erik gives 110% every game. Yesterday would have hurt the lad. You won't find me beating him up. Yes it's 2 cock ups by him on the 2nd goal and your right he will be the first to hold his hands up and admit it.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 19, 2017 8:59:35 GMT
I thought that Grant did a really good job after the error for the first goal - some keepers would have lost their nerve completely but he gathered himself and got back to the excellent standards he has set all season. He has had a tremendous season and played a massive part in ensuring we haven't been dragged into the mire.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 19, 2017 9:19:30 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. Grant has been our best player of the season.
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Post by fraybentos on Mar 19, 2017 9:20:03 GMT
Grants a great shot stopper 1 on 1, just not too clever when facing any free kicks and his setting up i.e the wall.
He's still saved us this season from embarrassment
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 19, 2017 9:22:16 GMT
We're in March now and their first goal was the first real big fuck up he's made all season. I think because we signed him from Derby's reserves, some people decided there and then that he must be shit, without even seeing him play. This thread is more embarrassing than my shambolic ramble a few weeks ago. He's been our standout player of the season. Consistently turning in top drawer performances. He's allowed the odd wobble. Plenty of credit in the bank.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 19, 2017 9:24:56 GMT
Most keepers are prone to mistakes of this type including butland
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Post by lawrieleslie on Mar 19, 2017 9:35:09 GMT
Like everybody Grant was expecting the free kick to be whipped across the goal area. The two man wall was positioned to deal with the direct shot but wasn't correctly placed and should have been further to the right to prevent the curler. Grant was caught out and did manage to get two hands on the ball but couldn't prevent the goal because of the power of the shot and being unsighted by the two man wall. Not a howler imo would Butland have stopped it. I doubt it very much.
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