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Post by Kjones9 on Mar 19, 2017 9:36:56 GMT
What a fucking pipe.
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Post by adamsson on Mar 19, 2017 9:45:05 GMT
Look at the first goal and it is all set up for a cross so Grant goes to the middle to stop the headers. The wall should cover a shot at the near post and if Grant went to the near post Willian would have crossed it.
What happened was Willian saw Grant in the center and whipped it in to the near post, Ramadan could have blocked it perhaps but really it was a very clever free kick and hard to defend.
Big wall blocks keepers view and leaves players with free in the box
Keeper at near post and they will cross the ball if a Chelsea player wins the header it's straight into an empty net
Stand in the middle you risk what happened
No win situation if they get it right
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 19, 2017 9:49:55 GMT
Look at the first goal and it is all set up for a cross so Grant goes to the middle to stop the headers. The wall should cover a shot at the near post and if Grant went to the near post Willian would have crossed it. What happened was Willian saw Grant in the center and whipped it in to the near post, Ramadan could have blocked it perhaps but really it was a very clever free kick and hard to defend. Big wall blocks keepers view and leaves players with free in the box Keeper at near post and they will cross the ball if a Chelsea player wins the header it's straight into an empty net Stand in the middle you risk what happened No win situation if they get it right Perhaps a player on the near post in that sort of situation is the answer. That would probably have ensured Willian crossed rather than going for the near corner. We might still have conceded but we would probably have slightly improved the odds of not doing so.
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Post by metalhead on Mar 19, 2017 10:00:00 GMT
Grant was at fault for the first but I don't see how he can be at fault for the second.
He's been excellent all season.
Jack should take his time.
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Post by alster on Mar 19, 2017 10:24:04 GMT
Grant was at fault for the first but I don't see how he can be at fault for the second. He's been excellent all season. Jack should take his time. No dig at Grant despite the fact he maybe could have done better with both goals. He saved at least one imo certain goal where I was simply waiting for the net to bulge however Butland must have a run of games before the end of the season to prove his fitness and feel his way back in. Do we really want to start next season with our No1 keeper ring rusty and with a question mark hanging over the injury. It would be insane.
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Post by wembley1972 on Mar 19, 2017 10:29:27 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. If every time someone made a mistake we dropped them we would have no fucker to put on the pitch. Grant made a mistake for the first without doubt. Second goal was all down our error prone fullback, perhaps he should be replaced as well. Grant has saved us far more times than not!
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 11:35:06 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. This is probably one of the most unfair comments ever on this board! Yesterday was probably the first time he made a mistake that have cost us anything at all! He has ben f------g excellent the whole season for us (I know he didn't play the first games for us), and also yesterday he made some outstanding saves! How many games have you actually seen this season!!! I've seen more than you sunshine.
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Post by senojbor on Mar 19, 2017 11:35:20 GMT
Sober as a judge Serge. There's a reason he was Derby's number 3. We're starting to see it. Utter garbage but not out of character from you. You go on a public message board and knife a player in the back for arguably his first mistake of the season. And you harp that we have poor supporters!
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Post by Waggy on Mar 19, 2017 11:38:17 GMT
Butland is by far the better keeper, Grant is excelling himself but he has had a great season for us and really helped us steer clear of the relegation zone. Will be a great number 2 . Harsh post on him
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 11:38:20 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. Put as politely as possible, first one yes, that's on Grant. Second one, not a chance. And to lambast him after the season he's had...well.... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Butland on the move once back and 100% fit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 11:39:47 GMT
First time Grants been a bit wobbly - in truth,
hes been superb for us this season and it will continue
as far as Im concerned, hes earned the right, to make the odd mistake or two
and Butland will have to force his way back in, by showing he is the better keeper
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Post by coupe on Mar 19, 2017 11:40:33 GMT
Sorry to say it if Ramadan had stood firm and let the ball hit him instead of shying away from it it could have been averted.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 11:40:51 GMT
This is probably one of the most unfair comments ever on this board! Yesterday was probably the first time he made a mistake that have cost us anything at all! He has ben f------g excellent the whole season for us (I know he didn't play the first games for us), and also yesterday he made some outstanding saves! How many games have you actually seen this season!!! I used to think Pugs was a wind up merchant. But I think he really means what he says, he would prefer it if Grant didn't bother to make good saves because he sometimes makes mistakes. To a purist like Pugs, the good saves simply ruin his day - he prefers keepers to be bad all the time rather than a mix of good and bad, Now now don't be silly. Every goalkeeper in this league is capable of making the saves Grant does. To me he gives me no confidence at all in the basics. He's Muggleton-esque on crosses, his kicking is poor and he's slow with distribution - a fact that the manager and Bruno keep reminding him about. He's done well enough but we need our number one keeper back between the sticks for a run of games before the end of the season. I'm not sure i'm being overly harsh - all I'm saying is we need England's number one back. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/266507/butland-come-back-quick?page=3#ixzz4blsYSLEx
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Post by Waggy on Mar 19, 2017 11:41:14 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. But as politely as possible, first one yes, that's on Grant. Second one, not a chance. And to lambast him after the season he's had...well.... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Butland on the move once back and 100% fit. Butland will be here one more season once fit to prove he is injury free and back to his best, then the big money move will be on and to be honest if he can get to a champions league team, i would say to him hats off and thanks for your service and do me proud for England
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 19, 2017 11:41:16 GMT
Grant shocking for both goals. No point making good saves if you can't do the basics. But as politely as possible, first one yes, that's on Grant. Second one, not a chance. And to lambast him after the season he's had...well.... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Butland on the move once back and 100% fit. Not even at fault for the first according to Goals on Sunday - it was Sobhi who was at fault and Berahino has a go at him for turning sideways - if he had stood straight on the ball would have hit him
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 11:43:06 GMT
But as politely as possible, first one yes, that's on Grant. Second one, not a chance. And to lambast him after the season he's had...well.... Oh, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Butland on the move once back and 100% fit. Not even at fault for the first according to Goals on Sunday - it was Sobhi who was at fault and Berahino has a go at him for turning sideways - if he had stood straight on the ball would have hit him Which is bollocks. He threw it in.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 19, 2017 11:43:32 GMT
I used to think Pugs was a wind up merchant. But I think he really means what he says, he would prefer it if Grant didn't bother to make good saves because he sometimes makes mistakes. To a purist like Pugs, the good saves simply ruin his day - he prefers keepers to be bad all the time rather than a mix of good and bad, Now now don't be silly. Every goalkeeper in this league is capable of making the saves Grant does. To me he gives me no confidence at all in the basics. He's Muggleton-esque on crosses, his kicking is poor and he's slow with distribution - a fact that the manager and Bruno keep reminding him about. He's done well enough but we need our number one keeper back between the sticks for a run of games before the end of the season. I can't win! I give you credit for meaning what you say and still you argue with me.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 11:44:32 GMT
Sober as a judge Serge. There's a reason he was Derby's number 3. We're starting to see it. Utter garbage but not out of character from you. You go on a public message board and knife a player in the back for arguably his first mistake of the season. And you harp that we have poor supporters! Coming from the biggest wanker on this site, that's rich in the extreme. The man who hates our club being managed by someone else other than Toxic Tone and never lets anyone forget. Jog the fuck on numb nuts.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 11:45:49 GMT
Sorry to say it if Ramadan had stood firm and let the ball hit him instead of shying away from it it could have been averted. And if Arnie hadn't give away the free kick... and if we hadn't let Chelsea kick off...
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Post by coupe on Mar 19, 2017 12:10:24 GMT
Sorry to say it if Ramadan had stood firm and let the ball hit him instead of shying away from it it could have been averted. And if Arnie hadn't give away the free kick... and if we hadn't let Chelsea kick off... Yes but hid job was to stand firm in the wall which is basics not luck but to lay the blame at Grant is way out of order.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 12:22:40 GMT
And if Arnie hadn't give away the free kick... and if we hadn't let Chelsea kick off... Yes but hid job was to stand firm in the wall which is basics not luck but to lay the blame at Grant is way out of order. Come on he chucked it in ffs. Sohbi was poor in the wall but Grant got two hands to the ball. Look through his career, Grant has always chucked a few goals in.
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Post by coupe on Mar 19, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
But that part of the goal was blocked until he shied away he just saw it to late.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 12:33:45 GMT
3rd choice still for me.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 19, 2017 12:34:13 GMT
But that part of the goal was blocked until he shied away he just saw it to late. He got to it with both hands, wasn't even reaching for it. He chucked it in. Catastrophic keeping.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 19, 2017 12:39:11 GMT
Bad error on the first not sure Pieters can be excused on the second or our inability to win the first header . But considering him and Bruno are head and shoulders our best two players this season Id worry a lot more about the other positions if I were you
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 12:41:22 GMT
But that part of the goal was blocked until he shied away he just saw it to late. He got to it with both hands, wasn't even reaching for it. He chucked it in. Catastrophic keeping. Not forgetting he hasn't positioned his wall to cover the near post. His error too. As well as the players in there.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 19, 2017 12:43:22 GMT
He got to it with both hands, wasn't even reaching for it. He chucked it in. Catastrophic keeping. Not forgetting he hasn't positioned his wall to cover the near post. His error too. As well as the players in there. If Sobhi did not turn sideways it would have hit him - that bit was not the keepers fault
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Post by coupe on Mar 19, 2017 12:45:53 GMT
Well then it's a waste of 2 players being in a wall if they are frightened of getting hit by the ball, I could see Berahino giving him a bollocking for shying away.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 19, 2017 12:55:45 GMT
Not forgetting he hasn't positioned his wall to cover the near post. His error too. As well as the players in there. If Sobhi did not turn sideways it would have hit him - that bit was not the keepers fault There must have been enough of the goal on show for him to even attempt it though. It was appalling goalkeeping.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 19, 2017 12:59:43 GMT
Fuck me Pugsley, you aren't half talking some shit, about our BEST player of the season.
Wind it in.
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