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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 25, 2017 10:06:59 GMT
What a load of absolute bollocks on here! OK, Shaqs been unlucky with injuries since he's been here, but we all know he's a class player! The way he's been written off by many fans makes my blood boil! I want to watch FOOTBALL when I go to the Bet365, I don't want to watch a team of athletes chasing round the pitch! If I wanted to watch athletics I'd go to Northwood fucking Stadium! Last season we saw some of the best football played by a Stoke team since the halcyon days of the seventies, yet now we're talking about getting rid of some of our best players! If we're going to be watching 11 Usain Bolts, (or Jon Walters), next season will be my last after 40-odd years! OK dickheads, over to you! There's no suggestion that the overall flair quota will be down next season - we just seem to want to see players who actually make it onto the pitch. Hard to get past the fact that he's only been free of niggles for 57% of the games - especially when you're paying someone nearly £4m-a-year to be your main man. We must be paying £15m-a-year to players who are making very little contribution for a variety of reasons. That's the top and bottom of it.
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Post by wuzza on Mar 25, 2017 10:56:23 GMT
What a load of absolute bollocks on here! OK, Shaqs been unlucky with injuries since he's been here, but we all know he's a class player! The way he's been written off by many fans makes my blood boil! I want to watch FOOTBALL when I go to the Bet365, I don't want to watch a team of athletes chasing round the pitch! If I wanted to watch athletics I'd go to Northwood fucking Stadium! Last season we saw some of the best football played by a Stoke team since the halcyon days of the seventies, yet now we're talking about getting rid of some of our best players! If we're going to be watching 11 Usain Bolts, (or Jon Walters), next season will be my last after 40-odd years! OK dickheads, over to you! Perhaps you really need to be getting annoyed with the man who is not providing the aesthetically pleasing stuff you so clearly yearn for - that person is Shaq. Goodness knows he has had enough chance to make a bigger impact ....but he hasn't, neither here or at his other clubs. It's down to him.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 25, 2017 11:17:22 GMT
Let's hope he has a good game later on today, returns without any injury issues ( as with all of our players on international duty and in training) and is available for selection next weekend
He's a Stoke player atm and we should support him 100%
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 11:36:05 GMT
The bit about 'he was fit to play against Chelsea' just makes it worse for me. There are probably no stats whatsoever to back me up, but I think he fancies pitting his wits against the big boys, more than he fancies scrapping against the Sunderlands and Hulls of the world.
The Sentinel article says that at 25, he's reached a crossroads in his career.
Which big club is going to take him on £75k per week, when he can only manage 10 games a season?*
*unless of course, that big club has super-duper physios that can miraculously manage to cure him of all his ills.
I really can't be arsed to look at what his injury/appearance record was at Bayern or Inter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 13:41:47 GMT
What a load of absolute bollocks on here! OK, Shaqs been unlucky with injuries since he's been here, but we all know he's a class player! The way he's been written off by many fans makes my blood boil! I want to watch FOOTBALL when I go to the Bet365, I don't want to watch a team of athletes chasing round the pitch! If I wanted to watch athletics I'd go to Northwood fucking Stadium! Last season we saw some of the best football played by a Stoke team since the halcyon days of the seventies, yet now we're talking about getting rid of some of our best players! If we're going to be watching 11 Usain Bolts, (or Jon Walters), next season will be my last after 40-odd years! OK dickheads, over to you! It's not about how athletic he is, it's about the fact he never plays a fucking game! I like him, but I'm not sure he wants to be here. A little weird that Hughes has said he's fit for the last two weeks but he hasn't played but of course, come internationals he is feeling fine. A typical move of everyone's favourite shit-house Robin Van Persie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 15:16:01 GMT
Still to this day I look at him in a Stoke shirt and think "Xherdan Shaqiri" How the fuck did we manage to sign Xherdan Shaqiri? But let's be honest, he's failed to hit the heights we all thought he would. Sizeist agenda?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 25, 2017 15:47:57 GMT
Goals ratio At FC Basel (first team ) goal every 5.1 games. At Munich goal every 4.7 games At Milan goal every 15 games At stoke city goal every 6.8 games. That's been my point from the very beginning. His strike rate is very poor and is compounded by the fact he only plays about 50% of the time, which translates to a luxury we can't afford. Unfortunately, his resale value will reflect these statistics.
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Post by jarhead on Mar 25, 2017 15:57:57 GMT
Try him out behind Bera in the attacking midfield position for the rest of the season, if it doesn't work out just sell him. I have a suspicion it might be a huge success though! I agree. Give him free rein and no defensive duties. He picks a pass as well as anyone in our squad. Totally agree. Him centrally in a front 3 is His position. Come on Shaq
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Post by kustokie on Mar 25, 2017 16:04:59 GMT
He's half way through a 5 year contract, which represents a 37 million commitment in salary plus transfer fee and has shown no sign of improving since he signed. So he has depreciated by 6 million (50% of 12 million) and cost another 12.5 million in wages (2.5 x 5 million a year). Therefore, he has cost Stoke 18.5 million so far - which is about 1.5 million/goal. The question is can we replace him for the money we are still committed to and expect to get someone with higher productivity? Or can we recover his residual value of 6 million and put that plus 75,000 a week towards a better prospect. Personally I can't see anyone outside of maybe China willing to spend that kind of money.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 25, 2017 16:06:08 GMT
He's starting for the Swiss
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 25, 2017 16:13:32 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Mar 25, 2017 16:18:13 GMT
He's starting for the Swiss Did we ever doubt it?
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Post by reddipotter on Mar 25, 2017 16:18:42 GMT
"Premier league giants"!!
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Post by nott1 on Mar 25, 2017 16:19:59 GMT
He's half way through a 5 year contract, which represents a 37 million commitment in salary plus transfer fee and has shown no sign of improving since he signed. So he has depreciated by 6 million (50% of 12 million) and cost another 12.5 million in wages (2.5 x 5 million a year). Therefore, he has cost Stoke 18.5 million so far - which is about 1.5 million/goal. The question is can we replace him for the money we are still committed to and expect to get someone with higher productivity? Or can we recover his residual value of 6 million and put that plus 75,000 a week towards a better prospect. Personally I can't see anyone outside of maybe China willing to spend that kind of money. I'll let you know when I have studied for a maths degree!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 16:21:08 GMT
He's half way through a 5 year contract, which represents a 37 million commitment in salary plus transfer fee and has shown no sign of improving since he signed. So he has depreciated by 6 million (50% of 12 million) and cost another 12.5 million in wages (2.5 x 5 million a year). Therefore, he has cost Stoke 18.5 million so far - which is about 1.5 million/goal. The question is can we replace him for the money we are still committed to and expect to get someone with higher productivity? Or can we recover his residual value of 6 million and put that plus 75,000 a week towards a better prospect. Personally I can't see anyone outside of maybe China willing to spend that kind of money. I'll let you know when I have studied for a maths degree! The answer is "purple".
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Post by kustokie on Mar 25, 2017 16:21:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 16:34:45 GMT
What a load of absolute bollocks on here! OK, Shaqs been unlucky with injuries since he's been here, but we all know he's a class player! The way he's been written off by many fans makes my blood boil! I want to watch FOOTBALL when I go to the Bet365, I don't want to watch a team of athletes chasing round the pitch! If I wanted to watch athletics I'd go to Northwood fucking Stadium! Last season we saw some of the best football played by a Stoke team since the halcyon days of the seventies, yet now we're talking about getting rid of some of our best players! If we're going to be watching 11 Usain Bolts, (or Jon Walters), next season will be my last after 40-odd years! OK dickheads, over to you! He can be the best fucking footballer in the world, but if he doesn't play what good is that? No-one's saying he's shit. He's a good player. But I'd like to see him on the pitch, or not at all.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 25, 2017 16:46:23 GMT
It's a modern day miracle.
The shithouse has somehow managed to get fit for his country, after 2 months and half a million pounds of wages, sitting on our treatment table.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Mar 25, 2017 16:47:53 GMT
It is very strange how Shaqiri seems to play more games for his country than he does his club. Coincidence? Some coincidence.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 25, 2017 17:13:33 GMT
Patience, Shaqiri, Arnie, Ramadan and Berahino will be a dream attack.
Shaq has had the scar tissue problem in his calf dealt with. He will be perfect in a number 10 role.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 25, 2017 17:24:06 GMT
He's half way through a 5 year contract, which represents a 37 million commitment in salary plus transfer fee and has shown no sign of improving since he signed. So he has depreciated by 6 million (50% of 12 million) and cost another 12.5 million in wages (2.5 x 5 million a year). Therefore, he has cost Stoke 18.5 million so far - which is about 1.5 million/goal. The question is can we replace him for the money we are still committed to and expect to get someone with higher productivity? Or can we recover his residual value of 6 million and put that plus 75,000 a week towards a better prospect. Personally I can't see anyone outside of maybe China willing to spend that kind of money. I'll let you know when I have studied for a maths degree! This is basic economics. We have invested a shit-pot full of money and our return has been crap. It's hard to quantify the loss because not only has Shaqiri been poor value for money there's an "opportunity loss" arising from what we might have returned with a better investment of the same money. If it were up to me I'd sell him and buy someone else. To do otherwise would be the triumph of hope over experience.
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Post by block30row19 on Mar 25, 2017 17:32:25 GMT
He's playing some nice balls through for his team mates at the moment. Hope he stays and it works out.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 25, 2017 17:33:58 GMT
If it transpires that he declared himself unfit for recent Stoke games and he's now playing for his national team he can pack his bags
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 25, 2017 17:41:10 GMT
If it transpires that he declared himself unfit for recent Stoke games and he's now playing for his national team he can pack his bags So you don't think he could have possibly regained full fitness in the seven days since our last game?
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Post by kustokie on Mar 25, 2017 17:42:51 GMT
If it transpires that he declared himself unfit for recent Stoke games and he's now playing for his national team he can pack his bags So you don't think he could have possibly regained full fitness in the seven days since our last game? Looks like a duck, etc.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 25, 2017 17:43:26 GMT
If it transpires that he declared himself unfit for recent Stoke games and he's now playing for his national team he can pack his bags So you don't think he could have possibly regained full fitness in the seven days since our last game? According to our manager, he's been fit in the build up to our last two games, and not even made the bench for either. Now, miraculously he's ready to start a game.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 25, 2017 17:44:35 GMT
It's a difficult one with Xherdan with the history of his injury. Obviously he had the calf injury and then before the last game, he trained 2 days before it and then literally the day before the game, he said his other calf was sore"
"So there was a concern there and he was a bit edgy and nervous about it, so he wasn't involved there"
"Now this week, he's trained 3 or 4 days - but when you come into a game against Chelsea, and there's a worry about both his calves...."
"In fairness to him, he wants to play and he feels he's ready having had the 3 or 4 days training in the last 5 or 6 weeks"
"So we've taken a view that we've come off a fantastic performance at Man City - and we want now to see Shaq go away with Switzerland, train every day, get a full 90 in and please God he comes through that and is ready and raring to go for the last 9 games - whereas if you put him in at any time and he does go again and he's not quite ready, we only get him for the last 4 or 5 games, rather than the last 9"
To be fair, Bowen said he was 'fit' last week
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 25, 2017 17:45:45 GMT
If it transpires that he declared himself unfit for recent Stoke games and he's now playing for his national team he can pack his bags So you don't think he could have possibly regained full fitness in the seven days since our last game? Shaq? No!
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Post by WhyDelilah on Mar 25, 2017 17:50:12 GMT
It's a difficult one with Xherdan with the history of his injury. Obviously he had the calf injury and then before the last game, he trained 2 days before it and then literally the day before the game, he said his other calf was sore" "So there was a concern there and he was a bit edgy and nervous about it, so he wasn't involved there" "Now this week, he's trained 3 or 4 days - but when you come into a game against Chelsea, and there's a worry about both his calves...." "In fairness to him, he wants to play and he feels he's ready having had the 3 or 4 days training in the last 5 or 6 weeks""So we've taken a view that we've come off a fantastic performance at Man City - and we want now to see Shaq go away with Switzerland, train every day, get a full 90 in and please God he comes through that and is ready and raring to go for the last 9 games - whereas if you put him in at any time and he does go again and he's not quite ready, we only get him for the last 4 or 5 games, rather than the last 9" To be fair, Bowen said he was 'fit' last week How is it difficult? He cost us 15 million quid. We pay him 3.5 million quid a year. He's meant to be our star player (or at least one of them). He's missed more games this season though injury than he's played. Understandable if he's suffered a really bad injury, but it's just endless continual niggles, that seem to last forever (unless his country comes calling.....). Even when he does play, he's hardly our key player. How many games does he play where you come away thinking "Shaq has won it for us today, he's been outstanding"? - hardly ever is the answer. I've seen more promise from Ramadan in a few short games than I have from Shaq in all his time here. His brilliant games are very few and far between. He's a luxury we simply can't afford.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 18:04:08 GMT
He just tried a Catflinger
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