|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 17:35:27 GMT
Once Great Britian is no more
Like a banana republic with no bananas
and
the great British public have also lost the ability to form a simple queue and stick to it
missed the kick off yesterday because of the security checks
and worse
the lack of courtesy and downright ignorance exhibited by some of our 'supporters'
ill disciplined scum pushing and shoving - jumping queus and generally being arseholes
instead of doing the basics
i.e, forming an orderly queue - respecting your fellow supporters and, taking your turn
Im talking turnstiles 27-28 yesterday
AND because of the real lack of space around that side of the ground
- temporary crowd control barriers need to be erected to stream the queues if this is going to continue
(supporters council please note)
|
|
|
|
Post by heworksardtho on Mar 5, 2017 17:45:11 GMT
It was like a scene from our border checkpoint at Dover
|
|
|
|
Post by claytonscrubs on Mar 5, 2017 17:51:06 GMT
It was like a scene from our border checkpoint at Dover Some of them need to jump on the nearest lorry next time.😉 |
|
|
|
Post by alster on Mar 5, 2017 17:52:44 GMT
Once Great Britian is no more Like a banana republic with no bananas and the great British public have also lost the ability to form a simple queue and stick to it missed the kick off yesterday because of the security checks and worse the lack of courtesy and downright ignorance exhibited by some of our 'supporters' ill disciplined scum pushing and shoving - jumping queus and generally being arseholes instead of doing the basics i.e, forming an orderly queue - respecting your fellow supporters and, taking your turn Im talking turnstiles 27-28 yesterday AND because of the real lack of space around that side of the ground - temporary crowd control barriers need to be erected to stream the queues if this is going to continue (supporters council please note) So you want me to queue up nicely for someone to pretend to search me. What they do is a complete and utter farce, it would never result in them finding anything that someone was determined to get past them. The searches should be intelligence led supplemented by a random percentage and most importantly done to a level that gives them at least an outside chance of serving their purpose. Do you realise they ought to ask your consent first and ask whether you are carrying unauthorised or illegal items before even starting the search. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 17:58:35 GMT
Once Great Britian is no more Like a banana republic with no bananas and the great British public have also lost the ability to form a simple queue and stick to it missed the kick off yesterday because of the security checks and worse the lack of courtesy and downright ignorance exhibited by some of our 'supporters' ill disciplined scum pushing and shoving - jumping queus and generally being arseholes instead of doing the basics i.e, forming an orderly queue - respecting your fellow supporters and, taking your turn Im talking turnstiles 27-28 yesterday AND because of the real lack of space around that side of the ground - temporary crowd control barriers need to be erected to stream the queues if this is going to continue (supporters council please note) So you want me to queue up nicely for someone to pretend to search me. What they do is a complete and utter farce, it would never result in them finding anything that someone was determined to get past them. The searches should be intelligence led supplemented by a random percentage and most importantly done to a level that gives them at least an outside chance of serving their purpose. Do you realise they ought to ask your consent first and ask whether you are carrying unauthorised or illegal items before even starting the search. You consented to any of that bollocks when you bought a ticket. Read the small print, and stop trying to be a bar room lawyer. Nobody falls for that garbage. Obey like a good little stooge, like all the other obedient little stooges. |
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2017 18:04:47 GMT
So you want me to queue up nicely for someone to pretend to search me. What they do is a complete and utter farce, it would never result in them finding anything that someone was determined to get past them. The searches should be intelligence led supplemented by a random percentage and most importantly done to a level that gives them at least an outside chance of serving their purpose. Do you realise they ought to ask your consent first and ask whether you are carrying unauthorised or illegal items before even starting the search. You consented to any of that bollocks when you bought a ticket. Read the small print, and stop trying to be a bar room lawyer. Nobody falls for that garbage. Obey like a good little stooge, like all the other obedient little stooges. Nah he's right. The searches outside football stadia are completely and utterly pointless, St. Etienne demonstrated this perfectly at Old Trafford a couple of weeks ago. If there are to be any searches at all, they should be intelligence led and far more thorough than the nonsense taking place at the moment. |
|
|
|
Post by alster on Mar 5, 2017 18:05:58 GMT
So you want me to queue up nicely for someone to pretend to search me. What they do is a complete and utter farce, it would never result in them finding anything that someone was determined to get past them. The searches should be intelligence led supplemented by a random percentage and most importantly done to a level that gives them at least an outside chance of serving their purpose. Do you realise they ought to ask your consent first and ask whether you are carrying unauthorised or illegal items before even starting the search. You consented to any of that bollocks when you bought a ticket. Read the small print, and stop trying to be a bar room lawyer. Nobody falls for that garbage. Obey like a good little stooge, like all the other obedient little stooges. Don't tell me something else you know all about despite knowing the square root of fuck all about anything. Doesnt matter whether you have the authority or there is small print on a ticket or signs everywhere telling people they are liable to be searched. They are required to gain consent before laying hands on you and give you an opportunity to declare any items believe me I know I did it for a living for a long time. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 18:13:47 GMT
You consented to any of that bollocks when you bought a ticket. Read the small print, and stop trying to be a bar room lawyer. Nobody falls for that garbage. Obey like a good little stooge, like all the other obedient little stooges. Don't tell me something else you know all about despite knowing the square root of fuck all about anything. Doesnt matter whether you have the authority or there is small print on a ticket or signs everywhere telling people they are liable to be searched. They are required to gain consent before laying hands on you and give you an opportunity to declare any items believe me I know I did it for a living for a long time.That's about the limit of your capability, you goon. It's private enterprise. They can do what they like. You consent with your ticket purchase. Talk to the hand, because nobody really cares about your protestations. Just another entitled, snotty, indignant JCL "soccer fan". |
|
|
|
Post by alster on Mar 5, 2017 18:27:59 GMT
Don't tell me something else you know all about despite knowing the square root of fuck all about anything. Doesnt matter whether you have the authority or there is small print on a ticket or signs everywhere telling people they are liable to be searched. They are required to gain consent before laying hands on you and give you an opportunity to declare any items believe me I know I did it for a living for a long time.That's about the limit of your capability, you goon. It's private enterprise. They can do what they like. You consent with your ticket purchase. Talk to the hand, because nobody really cares about your protestations. Just another entitled, snotty, indignant JCL "soccer fan". Yeah you really are a fucking idiot. The fact that its a private enterprise is more reason they should gain your consent they have no authority or powers of a constable. You really are a thick as shit gobby fucker. By the way when I did it I did it with the authority to make you whether you consented or not but I was still supposed to request consent and give an opportunity for disclosure. |
|
|
|
Post by simple on Mar 5, 2017 18:47:29 GMT
Everyone knows they will be searched,so the only reason you miss the kick off is you don't get there early engouh.
|
|
|
|
Post by jeycov on Mar 5, 2017 18:50:27 GMT
Once Great Britian is no more Like a banana republic with no bananas and the great British public have also lost the ability to form a simple queue and stick to it missed the kick off yesterday because of the security checks and worse the lack of courtesy and downright ignorance exhibited by some of our 'supporters' ill disciplined scum pushing and shoving - jumping queus and generally being arseholes instead of doing the basics i.e, forming an orderly queue - respecting your fellow supporters and, taking your turn Im talking turnstiles 27-28 yesterday AND because of the real lack of space around that side of the ground - temporary crowd control barriers need to be erected to stream the queues if this is going to continue (supporters council please note) So you want me to queue up nicely for someone to pretend to search me. What they do is a complete and utter farce, it would never result in them finding anything that someone was determined to get past them. The searches should be intelligence led supplemented by a random percentage and most importantly done to a level that gives them at least an outside chance of serving their purpose. Do you realise they ought to ask your consent first and ask whether you are carrying unauthorised or illegal items before even starting the search. Fellow fans are being asked to "queue up nicely" and take your turn in the queues, this suggestion to add temporary barriers would not be necessary if people didn't push in (The same happens with the queuing for the shuttle buses) Maybe one access point per 5? or so turnstiles for females, who have to be searched by a female member of staff? At some away grounds, fans with bags etc are searched before getting in the security check line. their bags are tagged so that staff know they have been checked Sadly these systems are here to stay |
|
|
|
Post by simple on Mar 5, 2017 18:50:51 GMT
That's about the limit of your capability, you goon. It's private enterprise. They can do what they like. You consent with your ticket purchase. Talk to the hand, because nobody really cares about your protestations. Just another entitled, snotty, indignant JCL "soccer fan". Yeah you really are a fucking idiot. The fact that its a private enterprise is more reason they should gain your consent they have no authority or powers of a constable. You really are a thick as shit gobby fucker. By the way when I did it I did it with the authority to make you whether you consented or not but I was still supposed to request consent and give an opportunity for disclosure. They always say can I search you,you can refuse that's your right,it is also the clubs right to refuse you admission.So just refuse to be searched then you would not have to moan every week. |
|
|
|
Post by alster on Mar 5, 2017 18:52:45 GMT
Everyone knows they will be searched,so the only reason you miss the kick off is you don't get there early engouh. I don't kick off about it but I do try to avoid them touching me. I have no objection when I go to the airport because they do it properly and aren't just paying lip service to it. As I said its a complete farce. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 18:59:22 GMT
This pushing in malarkey, is just another episode of the greed in this country of ours. I was trying to move up the queue without pushing anybody in front of me, while some inconsiderate bully boy behind me was consistently pushing his big belly into me as I moved forward. If I wasn't an unfit pensioner, he'd of got told, but no doubt he'd have been an arrogant bar steward, so it was probably better to leave it. Ignorance is bliss, so they say. I believe this statement to be true! Respect doesn't cost much, but some people are incapable of it.
|
|
|
|
Post by alster on Mar 5, 2017 19:03:24 GMT
Yeah you really are a fucking idiot. The fact that its a private enterprise is more reason they should gain your consent they have no authority or powers of a constable. You really are a thick as shit gobby fucker. By the way when I did it I did it with the authority to make you whether you consented or not but I was still supposed to request consent and give an opportunity for disclosure. They always say can I search you,you can refuse that's your right,it is also the clubs right to refuse you admission.So just refuse to be searched then you would not have to moan every week. The only thing I moan about is if they're going to do something they should do it properly and never once have they asked for my consent. I do understand they have every right to refuse admission if I don't consent, I wouldn't refuse but they're still required to ask. If they did the job properly trying to search everyone there would be queues back to Heron Cross and 5 o'clock kick offs. They are not serving any purpose, they're playing at it you could walk in with a Kilo of PE strapped to both calves and they'd never find it. |
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2017 19:16:21 GMT
They always say can I search you,you can refuse that's your right,it is also the clubs right to refuse you admission.So just refuse to be searched then you would not have to moan every week. The only thing I moan about is if they're going to do something they should do it properly and never once have they asked for my consent. I do understand they have every right to refuse admission if I don't consent, I wouldn't refuse but they're still required to ask. If they did the job properly trying to search everyone there would be queues back to Heron Cross and 5 o'clock kick offs. They are not serving any purpose, they're playing at it you could walk in with a Kilo of PE strapped to both calves and they'd never find it. That may be the case but why Stoke fans should feel the need to push and shove each other beggars belief. Vermin. |
|
|
|
Post by alster on Mar 5, 2017 19:21:34 GMT
The only thing I moan about is if they're going to do something they should do it properly and never once have they asked for my consent. I do understand they have every right to refuse admission if I don't consent, I wouldn't refuse but they're still required to ask. If they did the job properly trying to search everyone there would be queues back to Heron Cross and 5 o'clock kick offs. They are not serving any purpose, they're playing at it you could walk in with a Kilo of PE strapped to both calves and they'd never find it. That may be the case but why Stoke fans should feel the need to push and shove each other beggars belief. Vermin. I've not really noticed it you get jostling in any crowd situation but I don't think most of it is even deliberate. I do think people should be more bothered about the searching though because if it is necessary for our safety (I'm not sure whether it is or not) we should be concerned if they aren't doing it right. As with the airport situation I alluded to, I'd be mortified personally if they just pretended to do the job like these jokers do at the ground. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 19:26:00 GMT
This is one thing the Americans have got off pat- they cant queue either but,
if you go to Disney parks or some other mass attended attraction
easy shift temporary barriered queueing is put in place, to take all the stress and mither out of the situation
and the few knobs amongst us cant do anything else but comply
|
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2017 20:00:33 GMT
That may be the case but why Stoke fans should feel the need to push and shove each other beggars belief. Vermin. I've not really noticed it you get jostling in any crowd situation but I don't think most of it is even deliberate. I do think people should be more bothered about the searching though because if it is necessary for our safety (I'm not sure whether it is or not) we should be concerned if they aren't doing it right. As with the airport situation I alluded to, I'd be mortified personally if they just pretended to do the job like these jokers do at the ground.
Absolutely correct alster.
People wouldn't get on a plane (well maybe they would  ) with this level of security on entry, so either they do it correctly or they don't do it at all.
It serving absolutely no purpose, it's embarrassing actually.
|
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:05:33 GMT
You consented to any of that bollocks when you bought a ticket. Read the small print, and stop trying to be a bar room lawyer. Nobody falls for that garbage. Obey like a good little stooge, like all the other obedient little stooges. Nah he's right. The searches outside football stadia are completely and utterly pointless, St. Etienne demonstrated this perfectly at Old Trafford a couple of weeks ago. If there are to be any searches at all, they should be intelligence led and far more thorough than the nonsense taking place at the moment. By intelligence lead do you mean all brown people especially with beards? :-) |
|
|
|
Post by Mendicant on Mar 5, 2017 20:13:08 GMT
You consented to any of that bollocks when you bought a ticket. Read the small print, and stop trying to be a bar room lawyer. Nobody falls for that garbage. Obey like a good little stooge, like all the other obedient little stooges. Nah he's right. The searches outside football stadia are completely and utterly pointless, St. Etienne demonstrated this perfectly at Old Trafford a couple of weeks ago. If there are to be any searches at all, they should be intelligence led and far more thorough than the nonsense taking place at the moment. It is possible to give a very comprehensive body search to a fan in winter clothing provided the security staff are properly trained. The French CRS for example were very effective at PSG in the days they had a big hooligan problem, I got searched every game when I used to go, and it was the same search every time, a standard technique. Virtually nothing could get anything past them, so there were very few incidents at home games. What we have at Stoke is amateurish by comparison. |
|
|
|
Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 5, 2017 20:18:59 GMT
Nah he's right. The searches outside football stadia are completely and utterly pointless, St. Etienne demonstrated this perfectly at Old Trafford a couple of weeks ago. If there are to be any searches at all, they should be intelligence led and far more thorough than the nonsense taking place at the moment. By intelligence lead do you mean all brown people especially with beards? :-)
The irony of all this, is that you are actually creating a bigger 'target' for terrorists by deliberately creating congestion outside of the turnstiles.
They don't even need to work out how to get into the stadium now because they can simply ruck up outside the ground and create absolute mayhem before they even get 'searched'.
|
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 5, 2017 20:19:23 GMT
I've not really noticed it you get jostling in any crowd situation but I don't think most of it is even deliberate. I do think people should be more bothered about the searching though because if it is necessary for our safety (I'm not sure whether it is or not) we should be concerned if they aren't doing it right. As with the airport situation I alluded to, I'd be mortified personally if they just pretended to do the job like these jokers do at the ground.
Absolutely correct alster.
People wouldn't get on a plane (well maybe they would ) with this level of security on entry, so either they do it correctly or they don't do it at all.
It serving absolutely no purpose, it's embarrassing actually.
Just for the record, yesterday I entered the Boothen after being 'searched' with a bottle of water, 2 mars bars a hip-flask & a bag of cough sweets. Not one item was located during the search but they were in my coat & jacket pockets. This happens every single home match. The stewards just look at me & virtually nod me through with the flimsiest of searches. What is the point? |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:22:16 GMT
The searching is pathetic - the most 'tick-box' of tick-box exercises imaginable.
In my opinion it's utterly pointless anyway. As I've said many times, if you wanted to carry out some sort of atrocity and you knew you wouldn't get past the security at the turnstiles, you could cause almost as much carnage by doing the deed just outside the ground while thousands are waiting to get in.
The sad truth is that if someone wants to kill, there's little anyone can do to stop them. The type of searches being carried out just mean that they could probably conceal their weapon of choice in their coat pocket.
|
|
|
|
Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 5, 2017 20:28:13 GMT
The searching is pathetic - the most 'tick-box' of tick-box exercises imaginable. In my opinion it's utterly pointless anyway. As I've said many times, if you wanted to carry out some sort of atrocity and you knew you wouldn't get past the security at the turnstiles, you could cause almost as much carnage by doing the deed just outside the ground while thousands are waiting to get in. The sad truth is that if someone wants to kill, there's little anyone can do to stop them. The type of searches being carried out just mean that they could probably conceal their weapon of choice in their coat pocket. Wait til the end of the game and simply walk in through the opened exit doors. Although it'd have to be before the 84th minute otherwise there'd be no-one left in the ground  |
|
|
|
Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 5, 2017 20:30:35 GMT
The searching is pathetic - the most 'tick-box' of tick-box exercises imaginable. In my opinion it's utterly pointless anyway. As I've said many times, if you wanted to carry out some sort of atrocity and you knew you wouldn't get past the security at the turnstiles, you could cause almost as much carnage by doing the deed just outside the ground while thousands are waiting to get in. The sad truth is that if someone wants to kill, there's little anyone can do to stop them. The type of searches being carried out just mean that they could probably conceal their weapon of choice in their coat pocket. If there were any real terrorists trying to get explosives into the ground it would be stuck up their jacksy anyway not coat pockets. The whole thing is an exercise in futility. |
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:31:24 GMT
By intelligence lead do you mean all brown people especially with beards? :-)
The irony of all this, is that you are actually creating a bigger 'target' for terrorists by deliberating creating congestion outside of the turnstiles.
They don't even need to work out how to get into the stadium now because they can simply ruck up outside the ground and create absolute mayhem before they even get 'searched'.
The whole thing is a farce. They would probably use the argument "something is better than nothing" |
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 5, 2017 20:32:20 GMT
By intelligence lead do you mean all brown people especially with beards? :-)
The irony of all this, is that you are actually creating a bigger 'target' for terrorists by deliberating creating congestion outside of the turnstiles.
They don't even need to work out how to get into the stadium now because they can simply ruck up outside the ground and create absolute mayhem before they even get 'searched'.
Yesterday on the same turnstiles Tony has mentioned the woman doing the searching just said "no more searches for women". Which makes it more of a farce. Makes it a bit sexist (not that it bothers me but if it was the other way around there'd be hell up). Obviously only blokes are terrorists!  |
|
scfc25
Academy Starlet
Posts: 193 
|
Post by scfc25 on Mar 5, 2017 20:34:37 GMT
Another one here who thinks the searches are pathetic, i have no objections to being searched but the actual search its self is pointless. I would wonder if they have ever found any contraband. Just a waste of time and money employing these jokers to 'search' people, big queues for a half arsed pat on my shoulders and pockets basically...
|
|
|
|
Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 5, 2017 20:35:17 GMT
The irony of all this, is that you are actually creating a bigger 'target' for terrorists by deliberating creating congestion outside of the turnstiles.
They don't even need to work out how to get into the stadium now because they can simply ruck up outside the ground and create absolute mayhem before they even get 'searched'.
Yesterday on the same turnstiles Tony has mentioned the woman doing the searching just said "no more searches for women". Which makes it more of a farce. Makes it a bit sexist (not that it bothers me but if it was the other way around there'd be hell up). Obviously only blokes are terrorists! Or just ask/force an under 16 year old to carry whatever you wanted to conceal. |
|
) with this level of security on entry, so either they do it correctly or they don't do it at all.
