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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:40:33 GMT
Yeah you really are a fucking idiot. T The amount of fucks that I give concerning the opining of someone like yourself who lives in a damp rat infested terraced mud hut can be counted on the fingers of no hands. You're a clueless JCL nobody who apparently knows nothing about football. Shoo, you popcorn-eating Premiership fodder. You're nothing but a pest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:40:52 GMT
I give all my contraband to my son, easy as shelling peas.
Hes 6ft 1, and simply gets asked," How old son?"
A quick 16, and it's a case of on your way.
As others have said boardering on a pointless exercise, and if done properly we'd still be there now!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2017 20:43:02 GMT
Yeah you really are a fucking idiot. T The amount of fucks that I give concerning the opining of someone like yourself who lives in a damp rat infested terraced mud hut can be counted on the fingers of no hands. You're a clueless JCL nobody who apparently knows nothing about football. Shoo, you popcorn-eating Premiership fodder. You're nothing but a pest. You seem really bitter that we're not getting 7,000 in League One these days, it comes through in pretty much all of your posts.....
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 5, 2017 20:59:50 GMT
The searching is pathetic - the most 'tick-box' of tick-box exercises imaginable. In my opinion it's utterly pointless anyway. As I've said many times, if you wanted to carry out some sort of atrocity and you knew you wouldn't get past the security at the turnstiles, you could cause almost as much carnage by doing the deed just outside the ground while thousands are waiting to get in. The sad truth is that if someone wants to kill, there's little anyone can do to stop them. The type of searches being carried out just mean that they could probably conceal their weapon of choice in their coat pocket. Wait til the end of the game and simply walk in through the opened exit doors. Although it'd have to be before the 84th minute otherwise there'd be no-one left in the ground Without the scoreboard it was a free for all when it came to leaving on Saturday I swear some were leaving just after half time lol
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 5, 2017 21:16:10 GMT
Wait til the end of the game and simply walk in through the opened exit doors. Although it'd have to be before the 84th minute otherwise there'd be no-one left in the ground Without the scoreboard it was a free for all when it came to leaving on Saturday I swear some were leaving just after half time lol We ought to be issued with alarm clocks. It's beyond a joke. Sort it out Stoke. Scholes out. Just on a sensible note - for once - why could they not have erected a temporary screen say over the tunnel like they have in fanzones and stuff? Actually I know the answer to that question. We are Stoke after all. Alarm clocks it is then lads.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Mar 5, 2017 21:19:51 GMT
The whole thing is a pointless, farcical joke. I don't mean the queuing, I mean the stupid fucking idea or searches in the first place.
Do away with it and regain some dignity, convenience and respect.
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Post by Gods on Mar 5, 2017 21:45:03 GMT
Absolutely correct alster.
People wouldn't get on a plane (well maybe they would ) with this level of security on entry, so either they do it correctly or they don't do it at all.
It serving absolutely no purpose, it's embarrassing actually.
Just for the record, yesterday I entered the Boothen after being 'searched' with a bottle of water, 2 mars bars a hip-flask & a bag of cough sweets.
Not one item was located during the search but they were in my coat & jacket pockets. This happens every single home match. The stewards just look at me & virtually nod me through with the flimsiest of searches. What is the point? Don't ever let it be said you don't know how to enjoy yourself
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 5, 2017 21:55:28 GMT
Just for the record, yesterday I entered the Boothen after being 'searched' with a bottle of water, 2 mars bars a hip-flask & a bag of cough sweets.
Not one item was located during the search but they were in my coat & jacket pockets. This happens every single home match. The stewards just look at me & virtually nod me through with the flimsiest of searches. What is the point? Don't ever let it be said you don't know how to enjoy yourself Pre-match entertainment
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Post by smithypotter on Mar 5, 2017 22:00:46 GMT
A pair of guys simply walked straight through the turnstiles whilst me and my old man were being searched. The lady searching was stood about as far away from the turnstiles as possible with absolutely no awareness whatsoever and only noticed once we'd pointed it out to her. Me and my dad just looked at each other shaking our heads. I love my club but there is some element about us that feels just so embarrassingly amateurish.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2017 22:08:40 GMT
I adore the Oatcake. Not only are you taught the intricacies of a 4-4-2, who is ace and who is wank but now, apparently, we have experts on counter-terrorism.
wattba.
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Post by alster on Mar 5, 2017 22:23:53 GMT
I adore the Oatcake. Not only are you taught the intricacies of a 4-4-2, who is ace and who is wank but now, apparently, we have experts on counter-terrorism. wattba. I don't know anything much about terrorism but yes I would consider myself fairly expert on searching. Being a former searching specialist and am well versed in all aspects of searching manually and using dogs and technology and personally would not take part in what they're doing. If they are told to search everyone they should do it properly and highlight the delays it would cause.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 5, 2017 22:27:35 GMT
I adore the Oatcake. Not only are you taught the intricacies of a 4-4-2, who is ace and who is wank but now, apparently, we have experts on counter-terrorism. wattba. I don't know anything much about terrorism but yes I would consider myself fairly expert on searching. Being a former searching specialist and am well versed in all aspects of searching manually and using dogs and technology and personally would not take part in what they're doing. If they are told to search everyone they should do it properly and highlight the delays it would cause. Good for you son.
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Post by steventaaffe on Mar 5, 2017 23:03:16 GMT
😂 😂 😂 there's a lot of animosity on this forum!
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Post by kustokie on Mar 6, 2017 3:37:55 GMT
Last time I went to the Bet365 the security was a joke. There was a women front of me that was frisked by the a female "security officer" who then told the women to stand in the queue and inform the male security officer that she had been searched and was cleared to go in. It was a complete fiasco.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 6, 2017 3:39:14 GMT
😂 😂 😂 there's a lot of animosity on this forum! This is nothing. You should visit after we have lost!
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 6, 2017 5:26:58 GMT
😂 😂 😂 there's a lot of animosity on this forum! This is nothing.  You should visit after we have lost! Nash a lot stay away as it's not as much fun
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Post by RichJonesy on Mar 6, 2017 8:25:07 GMT
Wow. I read the first few posts and now I can't tear myself away from the love story developing in this thread.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 6, 2017 8:43:17 GMT
The whole situation is a farce.
For a start they don't even check you properly most of the time, It's a gentile pat on your jacket.
And that number of people waiting outside must be a safety hazard.
They need to put some sort of fence with doors just outside the turnstiles, that could enable them to then get more people searching fans, who once past the fence can then go into the turnstile.
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Post by alster on Mar 6, 2017 8:46:59 GMT
Nah he's right. The searches outside football stadia are completely and utterly pointless, St. Etienne demonstrated this perfectly at Old Trafford a couple of weeks ago. If there are to be any searches at all, they should be intelligence led and far more thorough than the nonsense taking place at the moment. It is possible to give a very comprehensive body search to a fan in winter clothing provided the security staff are properly trained. The French CRS for example were very effective at PSG in the days they had a big hooligan problem, I got searched every game when I used to go, and it was the same search every time, a standard technique. Virtually nothing could get anything past them, so there were very few incidents at home games. What we have at Stoke is amateurish by comparison. Sorry but thats just not true. Rub down searching will almost always fail against someone determined to get something past it and only really succeeds in finding contraband that is presented to it through its absent minded presence or careless secretion. Thats why so much technology is now used to aid searchers at airports you'll notice when you take international flights now they're using not only metal detector portals but handhelds because the portal doesn't give much in the way of a location, sniffer chambers and explosive swabs. Its a whole new ball game and must cost many many times what the old methods did. I for one find it reassuring that things are done so professionally whereas when I go to Stoke I just feel like they're just laying hands on me for no purpose other than to be able to say "well we tried" if something goes tits up.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 6, 2017 8:49:32 GMT
The initial post focusses on people pushing in (regardless of security checks) and as a result of this a possible need for some sort of queuing control
For people who are unable to wait patiently for their turn, maybe put your watch forward 15 minutes or so and arrive in good time to beat the last minute queues
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Post by alster on Mar 6, 2017 8:50:43 GMT
Wow. I read the first few posts and now I can't tear myself away from the love story developing in this thread. To be fair I'm trying to stick to the subject as it is of interest to me but the brainless moron keeps trying to belittle me so he has to get it.
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Post by Mendicant on Mar 6, 2017 9:07:44 GMT
It is possible to give a very comprehensive body search to a fan in winter clothing provided the security staff are properly trained. The French CRS for example were very effective at PSG in the days they had a big hooligan problem, I got searched every game when I used to go, and it was the same search every time, a standard technique. Virtually nothing could get anything past them, so there were very few incidents at home games. What we have at Stoke is amateurish by comparison. Sorry but thats just not true. Rub down searching will almost always fail against someone determined to get something past it and only really succeeds in finding contraband that is presented to it through its absent minded presence or careless secretion. Thats why so much technology is now used to aid searchers at airports you'll notice when you take international flights now they're using not only metal detector portals but handhelds because the portal doesn't give much in the way of a location, sniffer chambers and explosive swabs. Its a whole new ball game and must cost many many times what the old methods did. I for one find it reassuring that things are done so professionally whereas when I go to Stoke I just feel like they're just laying hands on me for no purpose other than to be able to say "well we tried" if something goes tits up. I disagree about the searches mate. I never tried to smuggle in anything dangerous at PSG apart from my ego but the only weapon I could imagine getting through was a razor blade taped to the chest. Anything else and I think there'd be no chance. These are nothing like airport searches. French riot police are a law to themselves. If they want to force your nads up a few inches in the name of security then up they go. In my case they always got the strongest one who does weights.
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Post by alster on Mar 6, 2017 9:44:54 GMT
Sorry but thats just not true. Rub down searching will almost always fail against someone determined to get something past it and only really succeeds in finding contraband that is presented to it through its absent minded presence or careless secretion. Thats why so much technology is now used to aid searchers at airports you'll notice when you take international flights now they're using not only metal detector portals but handhelds because the portal doesn't give much in the way of a location, sniffer chambers and explosive swabs. Its a whole new ball game and must cost many many times what the old methods did. I for one find it reassuring that things are done so professionally whereas when I go to Stoke I just feel like they're just laying hands on me for no purpose other than to be able to say "well we tried" if something goes tits up. I disagree about the searches mate. I never tried to smuggle in anything dangerous at PSG apart from my ego but the only weapon I could imagine getting through was a razor blade taped to the chest. Anything else and I think there'd be no chance. These are nothing like airport searches. French riot police are a law to themselves. If they want to force your nads up a few inches in the name of security then up they go. In my case they always got the strongest one who does weights. Honestly its dead easy to conceal a deadly blade in a homemade chamber under the insole of most trainers and no rubdown search would ever find it. Obviously then it doesn't need to be a knife how many people would it take to get the makings of an explosive device in the very same way. Don't forget that relatively small quantities of PE make a very big mess when used by someone who knows what they're doing.
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Post by stroller on Mar 6, 2017 10:08:55 GMT
The whole searching process is bizarre. The 20 something young man wearing a large baseball cap emblazoned with cannabis leaf motifs, lining up in front of me, was waved through, whilst I, a 65 year old pensioner was thoroughly searched, and once again asked to remove my bloody beanie hat.I pointed this out to the steward searching me and he just laughed, pensioner abuse I call it!
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Post by stroller on Mar 6, 2017 10:14:11 GMT
The initial post focusses on people pushing in (regardless of security checks) and as a result of this a possible need for some sort of queuing control For people who are unable to wait patiently for their turn, maybe put your watch forward 15 minutes or so and arrive in good time to beat the last minute queues In my experience a large number of the folk who arrive at the last minute are beer monsters coming straight from the pub. They are not usually inclined to consider others. You're quite right Jeycoy, a fifteen minute early arrival avoids the problem.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 6, 2017 11:08:49 GMT
It's tokensim to satisfy some stadium code of conduct we've probably signed up to......and to give a casual observer the impression that we are taking security seriously - which we aren't - I'll bet they're more on the lookout for booze and bottles of water & pop to protect profits than a sliver of semtex or a claw-hammer....all a bit cynical IMHO
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Post by stroller on Mar 6, 2017 13:45:02 GMT
It's tokensim to satisfy some stadium code of conduct we've probably signed up to......and to give a casual observer the impression that we are taking security seriously - which we aren't - I'll bet they're more on the lookout for booze and bottles of water & pop to protect profits than a sliver of semtex or a claw-hammer....all a bit cynical IMHO This !
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Post by peterthornesboots on Mar 6, 2017 15:40:40 GMT
I guess I will be echoing the statements of others here but still.
I completely understand why we have introduced these checks but I can't help but think that they are pretty useless.
The extended queues cause absolute chaos behind the (old) Sentinel Stand because of the lack of space and there is rarely any semblance of order.
To add to that, I don't get the impression that those doing the searches are arsed. There has been many a time that I have walked in with a can of Pepsi or a bottle of pop in my pocket and it hasn't been noticed.
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 6, 2017 21:58:51 GMT
alster, oldstoke, if you both want banning we can do that. Otherwise please at least count to ten, Jesus
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