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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2017 22:32:17 GMT
I do think Coates talks too much in general. LOL He does. He shouldn't be in the press at all really. There's no need.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Feb 22, 2017 22:45:43 GMT
Anyone watching Newsnight? It's a Stoke by-election special.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 22, 2017 22:52:48 GMT
Justine Greening: Secretary of State for Education, MP for Putney Angela Raynor: Shadow Secretary of State for Education, MP for Ashton-under-Lyne (Labour) Douglas Carswell: MP for Clacton (UKIP) Isabel Oakeshott: Political journalist & broadcaster Peter Coates: English businessman & chairman of Stoke City FC Oakeshott .... yeah you would and maybe Greening after a few. :-) Except of course that Greening came out as gay after the EU referendum.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 22, 2017 22:54:24 GMT
Anyone watching Newsnight? It's a Stoke by-election special. Yep- watching it over here in NL...... lots of hot air from the panelists up to now
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2017 22:57:10 GMT
Anyone watching Newsnight? It's a Stoke by-election special. Yep- watching it over here in NL...... lots of hot air from the panelists up to now Ayup, your mob are up now.
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 22, 2017 23:13:26 GMT
Yep- watching it over here in NL...... lots of hot air from the panelists up to now Ayup, your mob are up now. Sorry fella I don't follow - who are my mob?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 22, 2017 23:24:19 GMT
What a load of patronising dog shit that was.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 22, 2017 23:25:44 GMT
He does. He shouldn't be in the press at all really. There's no need. While you're talking shite about Coates speaking in general, I really do wonder what he has to gain appearing on QT.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 22, 2017 23:28:06 GMT
He does. He shouldn't be in the press at all really. There's no need. While you're talking shite about Coates speaking in general, I really do wonder what he has to gain appearing on QT. Chairmen shouldn't speak in the press though. He should be out of sight and out of mind unless the shit is hitting the fan majorly. I really dislike it. He has nothing to gain, it's weird.
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 22, 2017 23:48:07 GMT
Anyone watching Newsnight? It's a Stoke by-election special. Yes. Most of the panel hadn't got a clue about what SOT is about, what it was and what it is and what its problems are. I didn't hear anyone talk about what Thatcher's government did to decimate the main industries and the community and the anger and desperation that caused. Not one idea from anyone about how the area can again be subject to investment and be a key player in the country's prosperity and for people to have the security and sense of purpose they once had. The tories of the past have treated the Potteries and its people with utter contempt, UKIP are inhabited by people that even Thatcher would consider Right wing and pretend now that they are the champions of the working class, more fool anyone that believes that. Labour' had their chance to make good the Tories wrongs during their long stint in power but did nothing except take the votes they enjoyed from the area for granted. The worst was though that not one person from the audience was able to enlighten the day tripping panel about the soul of SOT what has happened to it and why people feel the way they do, BM
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Post by auntiegeorge on Feb 22, 2017 23:52:24 GMT
Agree with your every single word, BM.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 23:57:40 GMT
Justine Greening: Secretary of State for Education, MP for Putney Angela Raynor: Shadow Secretary of State for Education, MP for Ashton-under-Lyne (Labour) Douglas Carswell: MP for Clacton (UKIP) Isabel Oakeshott: Political journalist & broadcaster Peter Coates: English businessman & chairman of Stoke City FC Oakeshott .... yeah you would That's a seriously accurate assessment from my point of view.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 23, 2017 0:06:14 GMT
What is the solution for a city like Stoke though?
And Stoke-on-Trent itself is an absolute nightmare of a problem to solve.
It's people are probably its biggest strength its biggest weakness. The people from Longton don't want Hanley to do well etc, it's so prohibitive. There needs to be a focus on Hanley, there simply has to. That's something where our geography and people combine to make a solution nigh on impossible and then there's the council.
Geographically it's a cluster fuck of a city that has been drained and cut for years and years. Something big needs to happen but the people have to want it. But do they? Do they really? Or they happy to plod along, put the place down, accept it for what it is and to not demand change.
But it's hard! Who is there from a point of view that can actually do anything?
Hanley is getting some cracking independent shops and restaurants and it's a real positive for the area. Stuff like that has to be built on. But towns like Stoke and Burslem imo have to either be sacrificed or find a niche. The brewing and pub industry could be that niche. The development of art in these two towns is excellent too with the Wedgwood Institute and Spode. Longton and Tunstall have enough commercially (for now) but they have to be careful.
It's a funny old city that has been left to decay for far too long. There are lots of positives going on but it really could be a truly special place with the right guidance from a figure head who has power.
But big plans have to be made and inplemented.
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Post by stockportstokie on Feb 23, 2017 0:10:22 GMT
While you're talking shite about Coates speaking in general, I really do wonder what he has to gain appearing on QT. Chairmen shouldn't speak in the press though. He should be out of sight and out of mind unless the shit is hitting the fan majorly. I really dislike it. He has nothing to gain, it's weird. With all due respect your talking utter shite and showing a complete ignorance to anything outside of Stoke City FC. He's not Peter Coates chairman of little old Stoke, he's the head of an international gambling company turning over £1.65bn per year. Once you've paid to have legislation amended to benefit your business interests you're pretty much ballin and can do or say as you please.
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Post by Gods on Feb 23, 2017 0:12:16 GMT
Isabel Euphemia Oakeshott The third cousin of Matthew Oakeshott, Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, she was educated at Gordonstoun before obtaining a BA in History from Bristol University Ms. Oakeshott is certainly kick-arse, in fact she could kick my arse anytime
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 23, 2017 0:17:11 GMT
Chairmen shouldn't speak in the press though. He should be out of sight and out of mind unless the shit is hitting the fan majorly. I really dislike it. He has nothing to gain, it's weird. With all due respect your talking utter shite and showing a complete ignorance to anything outside of Stoke City FC. He's not Peter Coates chairman of little old Stoke, he's the head of an international gambling company turning over £1.65bn per year. Once you've paid to have legislation amended to benefit your business interests you're pretty much ballin and can do or say as you please. If we're going down that route then it should be the brains behind the company going on!
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 23, 2017 1:32:51 GMT
With all due respect your talking utter shite and showing a complete ignorance to anything outside of Stoke City FC. He's not Peter Coates chairman of little old Stoke, he's the head of an international gambling company turning over £1.65bn per year. Once you've paid to have legislation amended to benefit your business interests you're pretty much ballin and can do or say as you please. If we're going down that route then it should be the brains behind the company going on! Denise Coates CBE please step forward...
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 23, 2017 6:46:23 GMT
Oakeshott .... yeah you would and maybe Greening after a few. :-) Except of course that Greening came out as gay after the EU referendum. Ace. I haven't got a ring in my pocket or owt like that :-)
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Post by creweoatcake1 on Feb 23, 2017 7:13:03 GMT
Isn't Angela Rayner MP the one who was "On the scrapheap" as an unmarried mother at 16, but fought her way back to become her local MP? If it is her, she will wipe the floor with the lot of them, very, very clever and says things "as it is" just like the good people of S-O-T.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Feb 23, 2017 7:46:49 GMT
Isn't Angela Rayner MP the one who was "On the scrapheap" as an unmarried mother at 16, but fought her way back to become her local MP? If it is her, she will wipe the floor with the lot of them, very, very clever and says things "as it is" just like the good people of S-O-T. This is Angela Rayner wiping the floor with the people of Hartlepool
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2017 7:48:44 GMT
While you're talking shite about Coates speaking in general, I really do wonder what he has to gain appearing on QT. Chairmen shouldn't speak in the press though. He should be out of sight and out of mind unless the shit is hitting the fan majorly. I really dislike it. He has nothing to gain, it's weird. Second time round, peter Coates has been the perfect chairman and is truly beyond reproach. You really will find something to moan about even when there is nothing to moan about.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 23, 2017 7:52:51 GMT
Anyone watching Newsnight? It's a Stoke by-election special. Yes. Most of the panel hadn't got a clue about what SOT is about, what it was and what it is and what its problems are. I didn't hear anyone talk about what Thatcher's government did to decimate the main industries and the community and the anger and desperation that caused. Not one idea from anyone about how the area can again be subject to investment and be a key player in the country's prosperity and for people to have the security and sense of purpose they once had. The tories of the past have treated the Potteries and its people with utter contempt, UKIP are inhabited by people that even Thatcher would consider Right wing and pretend now that they are the champions of the working class, more fool anyone that believes that. Labour' had their chance to make good the Tories wrongs during their long stint in power but did nothing except take the votes they enjoyed from the area for granted. The worst was though that not one person from the audience was able to enlighten the day tripping panel about the soul of SOT what has happened to it and why people feel the way they do, BM What a fantastic post that is BM. I never realised you were so intelligent as you moaned your nuts off about he who will not be mentioned in tel Aviv
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Post by edaboagenawo on Feb 23, 2017 8:00:14 GMT
Anyone watching Newsnight? It's a Stoke by-election special. Yes. Most of the panel hadn't got a clue about what SOT is about, what it was and what it is and what its problems are. I didn't hear anyone talk about what Thatcher's government did to decimate the main industries and the community and the anger and desperation that caused. Not one idea from anyone about how the area can again be subject to investment and be a key player in the country's prosperity and for people to have the security and sense of purpose they once had. The tories of the past have treated the Potteries and its people with utter contempt, UKIP are inhabited by people that even Thatcher would consider Right wing and pretend now that they are the champions of the working class, more fool anyone that believes that. Labour' had their chance to make good the Tories wrongs during their long stint in power but did nothing except take the votes they enjoyed from the area for granted. The worst was though that not one person from the audience was able to enlighten the day tripping panel about the soul of SOT what has happened to it and why people feel the way they do, BM It's not so simple to label people and political parties as left or right-wing in the modern era. A vote for Brexit is in itself construed as right-wing by some people because it equates with nationalism. But a But a party that puts Britain first and jobs for British workers is what's required at this present time. That won't happen with neoliberalism. Which has been the prevailing doctrine regardless of who is in government-Tory or Labour.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 23, 2017 8:13:34 GMT
Anyone watching Newsnight? It's a Stoke by-election special. Yes. Most of the panel hadn't got a clue about what SOT is about, what it was and what it is and what its problems are. I didn't hear anyone talk about what Thatcher's government did to decimate the main industries and the community and the anger and desperation that caused. Not one idea from anyone about how the area can again be subject to investment and be a key player in the country's prosperity and for people to have the security and sense of purpose they once had. The tories of the past have treated the Potteries and its people with utter contempt, UKIP are inhabited by people that even Thatcher would consider Right wing and pretend now that they are the champions of the working class, more fool anyone that believes that. Labour' had their chance to make good the Tories wrongs during their long stint in power but did nothing except take the votes they enjoyed from the area for granted. The worst was though that not one person from the audience was able to enlighten the day tripping panel about the soul of SOT what has happened to it and why people feel the way they do, BM Spot on mate. Exactly.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 23, 2017 8:16:02 GMT
With all due respect your talking utter shite and showing a complete ignorance to anything outside of Stoke City FC. He's not Peter Coates chairman of little old Stoke, he's the head of an international gambling company turning over £1.65bn per year. Once you've paid to have legislation amended to benefit your business interests you're pretty much ballin and can do or say as you please. If we're going down that route then it should be the brains behind the company going on! Cunning business plan while peter is babbling on and causing a distraction The real brains has got you by the balls in a vice like grip
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Post by BristolMick on Feb 23, 2017 8:32:30 GMT
Yes. Most of the panel hadn't got a clue about what SOT is about, what it was and what it is and what its problems are. I didn't hear anyone talk about what Thatcher's government did to decimate the main industries and the community and the anger and desperation that caused. Not one idea from anyone about how the area can again be subject to investment and be a key player in the country's prosperity and for people to have the security and sense of purpose they once had. The tories of the past have treated the Potteries and its people with utter contempt, UKIP are inhabited by people that even Thatcher would consider Right wing and pretend now that they are the champions of the working class, more fool anyone that believes that. Labour' had their chance to make good the Tories wrongs during their long stint in power but did nothing except take the votes they enjoyed from the area for granted. The worst was though that not one person from the audience was able to enlighten the day tripping panel about the soul of SOT what has happened to it and why people feel the way they do, BM It's not so simple to label people and political parties as left or right-wing in the modern era. A vote for Brexit is in itself construed as right-wing by some people because it equates with nationalism. But a But a party that puts Britain first and jobs for British workers is what's required at this present time. That won't happen with neoliberalism. Which has been the prevailing doctrine regardless of who is in government-Tory or Labour. National Socialism is what's required is it? The working classes in their droves voted for the National Socialist party in Germany in 1933. The rhetoric that took them to power was about they were the party of the people, how they would fight back against the rest of the world and other races that were causing their misery. They whipped up the anger of the masses, blamed the establishment, blamed foreigners, and swept to power. The party you seem to be advocating for are trying to do the same. Whatever they might pretend they are an extremist party. Extremism never turns out well. Whether it's the National Socialism of Germany or the Stalinism of Russia, it never has led to happy lives for most of the people who enabled it to happen. BM
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Post by edaboagenawo on Feb 23, 2017 8:55:44 GMT
It's not so simple to label people and political parties as left or right-wing in the modern era. A vote for Brexit is in itself construed as right-wing by some people because it equates with nationalism. But a But a party that puts Britain first and jobs for British workers is what's required at this present time. That won't happen with neoliberalism. Which has been the prevailing doctrine regardless of who is in government-Tory or Labour. National Socialism is what's required is it? The working classes in their droves voted for the National Socialist party in Germany in 1933. The rhetoric that took them to power was about they were the party of the people, how they would fight back against the rest of the world and other races that were causing their misery. They whipped up the anger of the masses, blamed the establishment, blamed foreigners, and swept to power. The party you seem to be advocating for are trying to do the same. Whatever they might pretend they are an extremist party. Extremism never turns out well. Whether it's the National Socialism of Germany or the Stalinism of Russia, it never has led to happy lives for most of the people who enabled it to happen. BM National Sovereignty in a democracy isn't the same thing as Nazi Germany. Extreme politics comes about as a result of mass poverty and economic meltdown as happened under the Weimar republic in the 1930's. You will have noticed that the great majority of Countries in the world today are sovereign nations-not in the European union. Individuals maybe right-wing in some respects, left-wing in others. In fact I would say that's true for just about everybody I've met.
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Post by edaboagenawo on Feb 23, 2017 8:57:27 GMT
They're not extremists either.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 23, 2017 9:00:14 GMT
Isabel Euphemia Oakeshott The third cousin of Matthew Oakeshott, Baron Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, she was educated at Gordonstoun before obtaining a BA in History from Bristol University Ms. Oakeshott is certainly kick-arse, in fact she could kick my arse anytime Love to **** her arse anytime. Whatever her political views.😉
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Post by magwitch on Feb 23, 2017 9:28:41 GMT
It will be interesting to see how Sir Peter does in debate against national politicians. As far as I know, he is no intellectual, but I hope he is well up in the travails of the pottery industry, the coal industry, Shelton Steelworks and other bastions of Potteries industry and the changes since the fifties. As a socialist he will probably support the comprehensives which have replaced the grammar schools, completely ignoring the part the former grammar schools played in the life and soul of the area. The dumbing down of the whole area has been caused by the disappearance of good schools, and this is mainly due to Labour, to Shirley Williams and Harold Wilson who said that 'Grammar Schools will go over my dead body'. I agree that Mrs Thatcher did nothing to restore grammar schools despite going to one herself. In fact every PM from Wilson in 64 to Major in 97 went to a grammar school. Mrs May apparently did and plans to bring them back. Too little too late, I say. Does Peter Coates understand all this and what are his views? He should be asked.
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