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Post by trentvegas on Feb 9, 2017 0:06:20 GMT
Mr Snell knocked on my door the other day, to some of you my username gives away where I live. Anyway, he began with an explanation as to why I should vote Labour etc.
I then proceeded to ask him rather awkward questions, to which his answers were rather menial.
Myself: "I understand you believe in remaining within the EU, how would this represent your constituents?"
Snell "There are many reasons for remaining in The EU and I understand why many people have issues with it"
That's in a nutshell
I read this board often and before the shots start firing, my Great-GrandFather was Lord Mayor of this city within the Labour Party back when it meant something, My Grand Father worked down Hem Heath Pit and my other Grand Father (Son of The Labour LOCAL politician) ran The Glebe Pub in Stoke and then went on to be a Diesel Engineer. My point is these are all Labour men, old school Labour if you will.
Men who would turn in their graves if a Stoke seat was lost to another party.
How long has this city been in the hands of Labour? I love the place and shall never leave but nothing ever really changes and it may even be getting worse as the years go on
Enough sentimentality, more Realism
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 9, 2017 0:42:45 GMT
Locally the area has been let down by politicians of all hues, for many many years. Nationally the Labour party are a none entity, they will continue to be a weak and ineffective opposition until such a time that they ditch Corbyn. Once they have a realistic leader and start from grass roots, by listening to what traditional Labour supports want and need, then they may be taken more seriously. Until this happens then they have no more credibility than the Lib Dems, what a sorry state of affairs.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 1:46:26 GMT
That's interesting. I thought Snell talked quite well at the meeting in Hanley. I guess he might have been thrown a little by your direct EU question and his non-committal answer will be the best you're going to get from a Remainer but you would have thought he'd have a better reply planned especially as he's now supposedly backing Brexit. Stoke Central has been in the hands of Labour since the seat was created in 1950. I know I'll get panned as being right wing etc for this but I think a vote for UKIP is a win-win-win situation for Stoke. It would send a message to London and that much needed message to Labour who have neglected their grassroots. A Labour party who many on here will vote for even though they are a shambles in opposition and some on here won't vote for because they are a shambles in opposition. Either way they are a shambles. It would put the leader of national party that's at the forefront of the Brexit movement into Westminster representing Stoke Central during the years that the UK was going through the Brexit process. There has never been a national leader of any political party as an MP for Stoke. There may never be another chance. A political party that has advocated and campaigned for Brexit and today Brexit got the green light from the HoC. Brexit is happening and will happen and the loudest supporters are UKIP. A party that polled almost 4 million votes against Labour's 9.5 million in the last GE. If there was any time that the City could be on the right side of history after such a momentous vote it's now. The biggest political event in 40 years. And the third win, is that it's only for 3 years. Stoke Central constituency will be gone after the new boundaries are redrawn before the next GE and by then Brexit will be complete. If you don't like it (or his efforts) he'll easily be gone. A vote for Gareth Snell will give you a decent local Labour MP. But something the City has already had for 67 years. Great family story by the way. Proper local history
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Post by Mendicant on Feb 9, 2017 7:15:52 GMT
Trent, the Labour tradition that you describe somehow seems out-of-date today. Maybe it's because the industrial North and Midlands lost so much industry, the unions were often hostile to progress, and globalisation and immigration accelerated changing the political landscape.
Had the mines and potbanks still been going strong in North Staffordshire with immigration at the levels of the 1980's, many local people would still today identify with traditional labour principles of social protection and inclusiveness. Without them, what are we left with from Labour? Career politicians pandering to a public they struggle to understand, as I see it.
PS why were they campaigning in Las Vegas?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 10:26:16 GMT
Mr Snell knocked on my door the other day, to some of you my username gives away where I live. Anyway, he began with an explanation as to why I should vote Labour etc. I then proceeded to ask him rather awkward questions, to which his answers were rather menial. Myself: "I understand you believe in remaining within the EU, how would this represent your constituents?" Snell "There are many reasons for remaining in The EU and I understand why many people have issues with it" That's in a nutshell I read this board often and before the shots start firing, my Great-GrandFather was Lord Mayor of this city within the Labour Party back when it meant something, My Grand Father worked down Hem Heath Pit and my other Grand Father (Son of The Labour LOCAL politician) ran The Glebe Pub in Stoke and then went on to be a Diesel Engineer. My point is these are all Labour men, old school Labour if you will. Men who would turn in their graves if a Stoke seat was lost to another party. How long has this city been in the hands of Labour? I love the place and shall never leave but nothing ever really changes and it may even be getting worse as the years go on Enough sentimentality, more Realism But it's a coalition of so-called City Independents, Tories and U.K.I.P. running the city. It's not true Labour has a monopoly of power in the area. The Conservatives control neighbouring Staffordshire too. You can't complain with some of the work Labour M.P.s have put into the area. The problem is that the city's economic base has been decimated by the end of 19th century industry. But, Trentham Lakes and the Etruria Valley developments show progress is being made. The emergence of Stoke-upon-Trent as a university town marks the beginning of a new era for the town and will give it a new identity. Finally, the 'Brexit Bill' has passed its Commons stage and has been sent to the Lords for approval. The negotiations with the E.U. are solely with M/s May so no other party is responsible for what we end up with! That's realism for you!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 11:04:48 GMT
But it's a coalition of so-called City Independents, Tories and U.K.I.P. running the city. It's not true Labour has a monopoly of power in the area. The Conservatives control neighbouring Staffordshire too. You can't complain with some of the work Labour M.P.s have put into the area. The problem is that the city's economic base has been decimated by the end of 19th century industry. But, Trentham Lakes and the Etruria Valley developments show progress is being made. The emergence of Stoke-upon-Trent as a university town marks the beginning of a new era for the town and will give it a new identity. Finally, the 'Brexit Bill' has passed its Commons stage and has been sent to the Lords for approval. The negotiations with the E.U. are solely with M/s May so no other party is responsible for what we end up with! That's realism for you! Labour have had a majority on the Council for many, many years off and on. No change. Stoke Central has had a Labour voice in Westminster since 1950. From Churchill through Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron with a progressive decline throughout. The improvements you mention are welcome but nothing to shout home about.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 11:22:39 GMT
But it's a coalition of so-called City Independents, Tories and U.K.I.P. running the city. It's not true Labour has a monopoly of power in the area. The Conservatives control neighbouring Staffordshire too. You can't complain with some of the work Labour M.P.s have put into the area. The problem is that the city's economic base has been decimated by the end of 19th century industry. But, Trentham Lakes and the Etruria Valley developments show progress is being made. The emergence of Stoke-upon-Trent as a university town marks the beginning of a new era for the town and will give it a new identity. Finally, the 'Brexit Bill' has passed its Commons stage and has been sent to the Lords for approval. The negotiations with the E.U. are solely with M/s May so no other party is responsible for what we end up with! That's realism for you! Labour have had a majority on the Council for many, many years off and on. No change. Stoke Central has had a Labour voice in Westminster since 1950. From Churchill through Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron with a progressive decline throughout. The improvements you mention are welcome but nothing to shout home about. Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Hume, Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron, May = 9 Tory P.M.s Attlee, Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Brown = 5 Labour P.M.s Glad 'roge', you are finally taking responsibility for the mess you lot got Stoke into!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 11:49:32 GMT
Labour have had a majority on the Council for many, many years off and on. No change. Stoke Central has had a Labour voice in Westminster since 1950. From Churchill through Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron with a progressive decline throughout. The improvements you mention are welcome but nothing to shout home about. Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Hume, Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron, May = 9 Tory P.M.s Attlee, Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Brown = 5 Labour P.M.s Glad 'roge', you are finally taking responsibility for the mess you lot got Stoke into! A quick tot up shows Conservative for 36 years, Labour for 25 years and Coalition for 5 years. And a Labour MP in Stoke Central during that entire period. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 12:01:44 GMT
Churchill, Eden, Macmillan, Hume, Heath, Thatcher, Major, Cameron, May = 9 Tory P.M.s Attlee, Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Brown = 5 Labour P.M.s Glad 'roge', you are finally taking responsibility for the mess you lot got Stoke into! A quick tot up shows Conservative for 36 years, Labour for 25 years and Coalition for 5 years. And a Labour MP in Stoke Central during that entire period. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Insanity is thinking Thatcher was better than Attlee, Heath was better Wilson, Cameron was better than Blair! Of course, Stoke Central instead of having M.P.s like Mark Fisher, Tristram Hunt could have been blessed with having Margaret Thatcher, the M.P. who took free school milk off children! As it was a Tory led Coalition, that's 41 years Tory and just 25 years Labour!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 12:24:07 GMT
A quick tot up shows Conservative for 36 years, Labour for 25 years and Coalition for 5 years. And a Labour MP in Stoke Central during that entire period. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Insanity is thinking Thatcher was better than Attlee, Heath was better Wilson, Cameron was better than Blair! Of course, Stoke Central instead of having M.P.s like Mark Fisher, Tristram Hunt could have been blessed with having Margaret Thatcher, the M.P. who took free school milk off children! As it was a Tory led Coalition, that's 41 years Tory and just 25 years Labour! So what's your logic here Nicholas? Stoke Central having a Labour MP for the 41 years of Tory Government was a bad thing? So better to have had a Tory MP? Or are you saying that for 25 years it was boom time in S-0-T ?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 12:35:30 GMT
Insanity is thinking Thatcher was better than Attlee, Heath was better Wilson, Cameron was better than Blair! Of course, Stoke Central instead of having M.P.s like Mark Fisher, Tristram Hunt could have been blessed with having Margaret Thatcher, the M.P. who took free school milk off children! As it was a Tory led Coalition, that's 41 years Tory and just 25 years Labour! So what's your logic here Nicholas? Stoke Central having a Labour MP for the 41 years of Tory Government was a bad thing? So better to have had a Tory MP? Or are you saying that for 25 years it was boom time in S-0-T ? I'm saying a Labour M.P. was better than having one of your right wing chumps as M.P.! The Tories have had M.P.s in the Moorlands but have they linked Leek into the national rail network? No! The Tories might have done a sweetheart deal for Tory Surrey but they haven't done one for Tory Staffordshire! So, your Tory counter-parts in the rest of Staffs have achieved nothing for the area so why should the boy Jack get any favours?
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Post by lowlands on Feb 9, 2017 12:44:39 GMT
Investment, MPs are supposed to fight for investment and commercialisation will come along with employment. Local MPs have failed to deliver for Stoke on Trent since the 1980's when the collieries were under threat and eventually disappeared the same for Pot Banks. It is shameful that cities such as Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Derby, Nottingham have all had massive investment (millions) paid to these cities to invest and bring in new enterprises new businesses and regenerate their cities and the surrounding areas (Towns) Runcorn, Bolton, etc.
Then 2 years ago I hear on Radio Stoke Tristam Hunt all excited saying we have got investment to improve Stoke (Campbell Place) AND WE HAVE £300,000 for regeneration. My first thought was wow news bins because £300,000 is absolutely pathetic. Stoke on Trent is the forgotten City with MPs that have failed to deliver for years. The people of The Potteries deserve better and no one has delivered. I do not care which MP you vote for or which Political Party you affiliate yourself too, what I do know is that this City for the last 30 years has stood still and it shows. It looks like it is stuck in the 1980's. If it was not for INTU Potteries redeveloping the Potteries Centre then Hanley would be even worse.
Great example, 1985 The Potteries Centre opens and yet in the background is the old indoor town centre building, old falling apart looking shit. Why is it still standing?
Finally do not even get me going about The Longton Exchange, I worked for years in Dagenham Mall and that looks like a Parasian shopping centre compared to that terrible green Longton Exchange. The people of Longton deserve better. So tell me what has any MP regardless of Party ever done in the last 30 years for this City
In a nutshell: Investment, Infrastructure, forward thinking, yeah we didn't even get HS2 but Stafford and Crewe do, bypassed again
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Post by thevoid on Feb 9, 2017 12:48:38 GMT
Why should the Tories bother with Stoke when it's full of bitter little Labour bigots?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 12:53:47 GMT
So what's your logic here Nicholas? Stoke Central having a Labour MP for the 41 years of Tory Government was a bad thing? So better to have had a Tory MP? Or are you saying that for 25 years it was boom time in S-0-T ? I'm saying a Labour M.P. was better than having one of your right wing chumps as M.P.! The Tories have had M.P.s in the Moorlands but have they linked Leek into the national rail network? No! The Tories might have done a sweetheart deal for Tory Surrey but they haven't done one for Tory Staffordshire! So, your Tory counter-parts in the rest of Staffs have achieved nothing for the area so why should the boy Jack get any favours? We were talking history not rambling about Moorlands, Surrey or Jack Brereton. "I'm saying a Labour M.P. was better than having one of your right wing chumps as M.P." It's hard to see how it would have been any worse.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 9, 2017 12:57:55 GMT
Why should the Tories bother with Stoke They don't, They never have. Yesterday's events prove they value rich Surrey Lives over struggling Potteries Lives and don't even try to disguise it. They are the enemy of anyone without wealth, they divide, stigmatise and spread fear and nastiness. They are preparing a brexit for the South East based on privilege and cronyism. Don't be deceived Stoke Central, UKIP are the exactly the same, Wolves in Purple and Yellow clothing.
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Post by felonious on Feb 9, 2017 12:58:39 GMT
Investment, MPs are supposed to fight for investment and commercialisation will come along with employment. Local MPs have failed to deliver for Stoke on Trent since the 1980's when the collieries were under threat and eventually disappeared the same for Pot Banks. It is shameful that cities such as Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Derby, Nottingham have all had massive investment (millions) paid to these cities to invest and bring in new enterprises new businesses and regenerate their cities and the surrounding areas (Towns) Runcorn, Bolton, etc. Then 2 years ago I hear on Radio Stoke Tristam Hunt all excited saying we have got investment to improve Stoke (Campbell Place) AND WE HAVE £300,000 for regeneration. My first thought was wow news bins because £300,000 is absolutely pathetic. Stoke on Trent is the forgotten City with MPs that have failed to deliver for years. The people of The Potteries deserve better and no one has delivered. I do not care which MP you vote for or which Political Party you affiliate yourself too, what I do know is that this City for the last 30 years has stood still and it shows. It looks like it is stuck in the 1980's. If it was not for INTU Potteries redeveloping the Potteries Centre then Hanley would be even worse. Great example, 1985 The Potteries Centre opens and yet in the background is the old indoor town centre building, old falling apart looking shit. Why is it still standing? Finally do not even get me going about The Longton Exchange, I worked for years in Dagenham Mall and that looks like a Parasian shopping centre compared to that terrible green Longton Exchange. The people of Longton deserve better. So tell me what has any MP regardless of Party ever done in the last 30 years for this City In a nutshell: Investment, Infrastructure, forward thinking, yeah we didn't even get HS2 but Stafford and Crewe do, bypassed again Stafford and Crewe are marginal towns capable of producing either a Labour or Conservative MP. Stoke and Newcastle are of no use to the Conservatives and taken for granted by Labour.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 13:10:55 GMT
Investment, MPs are supposed to fight for investment and commercialisation will come along with employment. Local MPs have failed to deliver for Stoke on Trent since the 1980's when the collieries were under threat and eventually disappeared the same for Pot Banks. It is shameful that cities such as Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Derby, Nottingham have all had massive investment (millions) paid to these cities to invest and bring in new enterprises new businesses and regenerate their cities and the surrounding areas (Towns) Runcorn, Bolton, etc. Then 2 years ago I hear on Radio Stoke Tristam Hunt all excited saying we have got investment to improve Stoke (Campbell Place) AND WE HAVE £300,000 for regeneration. My first thought was wow news bins because £300,000 is absolutely pathetic. Stoke on Trent is the forgotten City with MPs that have failed to deliver for years. The people of The Potteries deserve better and no one has delivered. I do not care which MP you vote for or which Political Party you affiliate yourself too, what I do know is that this City for the last 30 years has stood still and it shows. It looks like it is stuck in the 1980's. If it was not for INTU Potteries redeveloping the Potteries Centre then Hanley would be even worse. Great example, 1985 The Potteries Centre opens and yet in the background is the old indoor town centre building, old falling apart looking shit. Why is it still standing? Finally do not even get me going about The Longton Exchange, I worked for years in Dagenham Mall and that looks like a Parasian shopping centre compared to that terrible green Longton Exchange. The people of Longton deserve better. So tell me what has any MP regardless of Party ever done in the last 30 years for this City In a nutshell: Investment, Infrastructure, forward thinking, yeah we didn't even get HS2 but Stafford and Crewe do, bypassed again There are a lot of very good points here. Historically, Stoke by-passed itself in the 1840s when the Manchester-Stoke-Burton-Nuneaton-London railway fell through. Apparently, Wedgwood thought that the higher railway workers wages would push up pottery workers wages so he blocked the scheme and the railway was built through Crewe instead. When, in 1923, the North Staffs Railway was incorporated into the L.M.S. the engineering, carriage works in Fenton were closed. Work was concentrated in Crewe and Liverpool. Stoke lost a vital element in its higher tech industry. This brings me onto Derby. Derby is prospering because it kept its railway engineering in 1923. Also, Rolls-Royce grew into a massive high tech engineering company. Other engineering companies moved in nearby later e.g.Toyota and J.C.B.. Derby is an obvious location because there is a strong engineering tradition in the city. To my knowledge, Derby has never received big government subsidies because it never needed them! Stoke has struggled because it's 19th century economic base ended/declined simultaneously and very quickly. Nevertheless, progress has been made. The city centre with 'The Hive' and Smithfield is massively improved and will get better with the re-development of the old bus station. The city is getting better but geographically being mid-way between Birmingham and Manchester has caused many problems. Too far away to get any of the spill-over effects from Manchester and Birmingham's prosperity yet too near to be a big, independent commercial centre. I'm afraid it's Location! Location! Location! and Stoke geographically is slightly in the wrong place?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 13:14:53 GMT
I'm saying a Labour M.P. was better than having one of your right wing chumps as M.P.! The Tories have had M.P.s in the Moorlands but have they linked Leek into the national rail network? No! The Tories might have done a sweetheart deal for Tory Surrey but they haven't done one for Tory Staffordshire! So, your Tory counter-parts in the rest of Staffs have achieved nothing for the area so why should the boy Jack get any favours? We were talking history not rambling about Moorlands, Surrey or Jack Brereton. "I'm saying a Labour M.P. was better than having one of your right wing chumps as M.P." It's hard to see how it would have been any worse. I agree with you! Rambling on about that nonentity, the boy Jack, is a waste of anyone's time!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 13:45:23 GMT
We were talking history not rambling about Moorlands, Surrey or Jack Brereton. "I'm saying a Labour M.P. was better than having one of your right wing chumps as M.P." It's hard to see how it would have been any worse. I agree with you! Rambling on about that nonentity, the boy Jack, is a waste of anyone's time! Ah Cockers. You just can't get past that Red fog can you. Vote for Snell if you like. As I said he came across quite well. Definitely up to speed with local matters. Will he make a difference for S-o-T? No. A forgotten constituency that's due to be dissolved. A brand new Labour MP, who was for Remain and is anti-Corbyn. The only thing he'll do is weaken the Labour Party further. I was surprised by young Jack actually. Really quite combative. He's obviously a minority candidate but for one so young he had quite a bit about him Born, bred, lives, works and married in the area if that's what you're looking for. I don't think he'll come close but definitely one for the future.
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Post by choc on Feb 9, 2017 14:16:58 GMT
Around 40 years ago, Ford wanted to build an engine plant here - it was rejected by the Council. This was due to the Pottery companies being worried about wages being driven up and losing workers. A good chance missed for advanced manufacturing to be introduced to the area. This may have had future benefits such as when the big 3 Japanese companies setup in the 80s/90s. Toyota may have setup closer to Stoke if we had a skilled workforce in the automotive industry. It seemed as if the Council were oblivious to what was going to happen to the Pottery industry in the 90s. They then didn't have much of a plan on what to do when it went belly up apart from Worldgate that was a disaster. The area then became warehouse city due to abundant cheap labour, low skills and cheap land.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 14:17:27 GMT
I agree with you! Rambling on about that nonentity, the boy Jack, is a waste of anyone's time! Ah Cockers. You just can't get past that Red fog can you. Vote for Snell if you like. As I said he came across quite well. Definitely up to speed with local matters. Will he make a difference for S-o-T? No. A forgotten constituency that's due to be dissolved. A brand new Labour MP, who was for Remain and is anti-Corbyn. The only thing he'll do is weaken the Labour Party further. I was surprised by young Jack actually. Really quite combative. He's obviously a minority candidate but for one so young he had quite a bit about him Born, bred, lives, works and married in the area if that's what you're looking for. I don't think he'll come close but definitely one for the future. What's the point voting for Jack when his own party cares so little about the constituency they are abolishing it! I've heard of turkeys voting for Christmas but you want to abolish Christmas!
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Post by cymap on Feb 9, 2017 14:53:18 GMT
The very fact that labour have had such a cushy ride in SoT is the very reason they do nothing for SoT.
Its just a sure thing to them and the only way to wake them up is a shock to the system and I don't care which party gets them out to apply that shock as none of them could do any less for SoT than Labour has in the past decades.
This is a chance to make Labour sit up and see they can't ignore SoT and get away with it. Vote for whoever applies the shock and see what happens. Westminster may then take notice of SoT who are stuck between the "Midlands Engine" and the "Northern Powerhouse". SoT has a national audience on the 23rd feb and SoT should take advantage of that.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 15:25:09 GMT
Ah Cockers. You just can't get past that Red fog can you. Vote for Snell if you like. As I said he came across quite well. Definitely up to speed with local matters. Will he make a difference for S-o-T? No. A forgotten constituency that's due to be dissolved. A brand new Labour MP, who was for Remain and is anti-Corbyn. The only thing he'll do is weaken the Labour Party further. I was surprised by young Jack actually. Really quite combative. He's obviously a minority candidate but for one so young he had quite a bit about him Born, bred, lives, works and married in the area if that's what you're looking for. I don't think he'll come close but definitely one for the future. What's the point voting for Jack when his own party cares so little about the constituency they are abolishing it! I've heard of turkeys voting for Christmas but you want to abolish Christmas! Well I have said you should vote for Jack but that was a little tongue in cheek. You could say there's no point in voting for anyone then ! In fact all the more reason to Vote UKIP and give Labour a real wake up call plus the Leader of UKIP representing Stoke in London during the Brexit years. Win-win :-)
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 15:35:31 GMT
What's the point voting for Jack when his own party cares so little about the constituency they are abolishing it! I've heard of turkeys voting for Christmas but you want to abolish Christmas! Well I have said you should vote for Jack but that was a little tongue in cheek. Well you could say there's no point in voting for anyone then ! In fact all the more reason to Vote UKIP and give Labour a real wake up call plus the Leader of UKIP representing Stoke in London during the Brexit years. Win-win :-) Jack's biggest Tory supporter says vote for the other Tory a.k.a. Nutjob!
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 9, 2017 15:39:03 GMT
The very fact that labour have had such a cushy ride in SoT is the very reason they do nothing for SoT. Its just a sure thing to them and the only way to wake them up is a shock to the system and I don't care which party gets them out to apply that shock as none of them could do any less for SoT than Labour has in the past decades. This is a chance to make Labour sit up and see they can't ignore SoT and get away with it. Vote for whoever applies the shock and see what happens. Westminster may then take notice of SoT who are stuck between the "Midlands Engine" and the "Northern Powerhouse". SoT has a national audience on the 23rd feb and SoT should take advantage of that. That is a very good post, those that shout the loudest get action (look at Surrey) those that sit back and vote for inaction get just that.
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Post by Gods on Feb 9, 2017 15:46:53 GMT
Investment, MPs are supposed to fight for investment and commercialisation will come along with employment. Local MPs have failed to deliver for Stoke on Trent since the 1980's when the collieries were under threat and eventually disappeared the same for Pot Banks. It is shameful that cities such as Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham, Derby, Nottingham have all had massive investment (millions) paid to these cities to invest and bring in new enterprises new businesses and regenerate their cities and the surrounding areas (Towns) Runcorn, Bolton, etc. Then 2 years ago I hear on Radio Stoke Tristam Hunt all excited saying we have got investment to improve Stoke (Campbell Place) AND WE HAVE £300,000 for regeneration. My first thought was wow news bins because £300,000 is absolutely pathetic. Stoke on Trent is the forgotten City with MPs that have failed to deliver for years. The people of The Potteries deserve better and no one has delivered. I do not care which MP you vote for or which Political Party you affiliate yourself too, what I do know is that this City for the last 30 years has stood still and it shows. It looks like it is stuck in the 1980's. If it was not for INTU Potteries redeveloping the Potteries Centre then Hanley would be even worse. Great example, 1985 The Potteries Centre opens and yet in the background is the old indoor town centre building, old falling apart looking shit. Why is it still standing? Finally do not even get me going about The Longton Exchange, I worked for years in Dagenham Mall and that looks like a Parasian shopping centre compared to that terrible green Longton Exchange. The people of Longton deserve better. So tell me what has any MP regardless of Party ever done in the last 30 years for this City In a nutshell: Investment, Infrastructure, forward thinking, yeah we didn't even get HS2 but Stafford and Crewe do, bypassed again There are a lot of very good points here. Historically, Stoke by-passed itself in the 1840s when the Manchester-Stoke-Burton-Nuneaton-London railway fell through. Apparently, Wedgwood thought that the higher railway workers wages would push up pottery workers wages so he blocked the scheme and the railway was built through Crewe instead. When, in 1923, the North Staffs Railway was incorporated into the L.M.S. the engineering, carriage works in Fenton were closed. Work was concentrated in Crewe and Liverpool. Stoke lost a vital element in its higher tech industry. This brings me onto Derby. Derby is prospering because it kept its railway engineering in 1923. Also, Rolls-Royce grew into a massive high tech engineering company. Other engineering companies moved in nearby later e.g.Toyota and J.C.B.. Derby is an obvious location because there is a strong engineering tradition in the city. To my knowledge, Derby has never received big government subsidies because it never needed them! Stoke has struggled because it's 19th century economic base ended/declined simultaneously and very quickly. Nevertheless, progress has been made. The city centre with 'The Hive' and Smithfield is massively improved and will get better with the re-development of the old bus station. The city is getting better but geographically being mid-way between Birmingham and Manchester has caused many problems. Too far away to get any of the spill-over effects from Manchester and Birmingham's prosperity yet too near to be a big, independent commercial centre. I'm afraid it's Location! Location! Location! and Stoke geographically is slightly in the wrong place? Very interesting I did not really know any of that. But on your final point surely being equi-distant between 2 of the largest connurbations in the UK (Birmingham and Manchester) could somehow be twisted to Stoke's advantage? However I don't think electing a UKIP MP and the stigma which would come with that would help much with attracting inward investment though, it would make Stoke look resistant to change and insular neither of which are a good recipe for inward investment which typically looks for a raw energy and openess among the populace. Just my 2 cents, I no longer live there but I see what goes on.
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Post by countofmontecristo on Feb 9, 2017 16:10:43 GMT
There are a lot of very good points here. Historically, Stoke by-passed itself in the 1840s when the Manchester-Stoke-Burton-Nuneaton-London railway fell through. Apparently, Wedgwood thought that the higher railway workers wages would push up pottery workers wages so he blocked the scheme and the railway was built through Crewe instead. When, in 1923, the North Staffs Railway was incorporated into the L.M.S. the engineering, carriage works in Fenton were closed. Work was concentrated in Crewe and Liverpool. Stoke lost a vital element in its higher tech industry. This brings me onto Derby. Derby is prospering because it kept its railway engineering in 1923. Also, Rolls-Royce grew into a massive high tech engineering company. Other engineering companies moved in nearby later e.g.Toyota and J.C.B.. Derby is an obvious location because there is a strong engineering tradition in the city. To my knowledge, Derby has never received big government subsidies because it never needed them! Stoke has struggled because it's 19th century economic base ended/declined simultaneously and very quickly. Nevertheless, progress has been made. The city centre with 'The Hive' and Smithfield is massively improved and will get better with the re-development of the old bus station. The city is getting better but geographically being mid-way between Birmingham and Manchester has caused many problems. Too far away to get any of the spill-over effects from Manchester and Birmingham's prosperity yet too near to be a big, independent commercial centre. I'm afraid it's Location! Location! Location! and Stoke geographically is slightly in the wrong place? Very interesting I did not really know any of that. But on your final point surely being equi-distant between 2 of the largest connurbations in the UK (Birmingham and Manchester) could somehow be twisted to Stoke's advantage? However I don't think electing a UKIP MP and the stigma which would come with that would help much with attracting inward investment though, it would make Stoke look resistant to change and insular neither of which are a good recipe for inward investment which typically looks for a raw energy and openess among the populace. Just my 2 cents, I no longer live there but I see what goes on. I'm struggling with your logic here Gods. How will changing your MP for the first time ever, make you appear to be 'resistant to change'? Surely electing a new MP representing a party that has changed the face of world politics, would display the 'openness and raw energy' that you claim potential investors seek?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 16:26:21 GMT
Very interesting I did not really know any of that. But on your final point surely being equi-distant between 2 of the largest connurbations in the UK (Birmingham and Manchester) could somehow be twisted to Stoke's advantage? However I don't think electing a UKIP MP and the stigma which would come with that would help much with attracting inward investment though, it would make Stoke look resistant to change and insular neither of which are a good recipe for inward investment which typically looks for a raw energy and openess among the populace. Just my 2 cents, I no longer live there but I see what goes on. I'm struggling with your logic here Gods. How will changing your MP for the first time ever, make you appear to be 'resistant to change'? Surely electing a new MP representing a party that has changed the face of world politics, would display the 'openness and raw energy' that you claim potential investors seek? You mean like voting for Oswald Mosley's New Party in the 1930s changed the face of world politics?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 9, 2017 16:30:27 GMT
Well I have said you should vote for Jack but that was a little tongue in cheek. Well you could say there's no point in voting for anyone then ! In fact all the more reason to Vote UKIP and give Labour a real wake up call plus the Leader of UKIP representing Stoke in London during the Brexit years. Win-win :-) Jack's biggest Tory supporter says vote for the other Tory a.k.a. Nutjob! Yikes! Obviously you and Momo didn't get the memo. Gareth Snell [on facing Nuttall] "... we should not lump UKIP and the Tories together and make it easier for the latter to vote for the former if they're perceived as a Tory home from home." Inside Stoke Central's Selection Meeting - Blog I think the blog is by Phil Corrigan. Sentnul Journo and Lefty but I'm happy to sit corrected.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 9, 2017 16:38:21 GMT
Jack's biggest Tory supporter says vote for the other Tory a.k.a. Nutjob! Yikes! Obviously you and Momo didn't get the memo. Gareth Snell [on facing Nuttall] "... we should not lump UKIP and the Tories together and make it easier for the latter to vote for the former if they're perceived as a Tory home from home." Inside Stoke Central's Selection Meeting - Blog I think the blog is by Phil Corrigan. Sentnul Journo and Lefty but I'm happy to sit corrected. But you suggested voting for Nutjob, I never would!
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