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Post by mrcoke on Jan 25, 2017 13:09:32 GMT
Happy 67th birthday to Mike today.
He was raised in Heath Street, Chesterton and a product of Broadmeadows. (I attended Chesterton Primary school in the mid 50s and walked past the end of his street every school day.) He was a brilliant player who saw off Bill Bentley and Alex Elder and caught the end of the Ramsay England era. He always had strong opinions and was argumentative, often playing devil's advocate, and even questioned the purchase of Hudson and his playing style.
Nevertheless I wish we had more like him: local lad, tough as nails, skillful, and strong minded. many happy returns to him.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 25, 2017 13:17:14 GMT
Or he was a highly talented footballer (we haven't had a left back fit to lace his boots since he finished) who understands the game inside out and passes opinion accordingly. Wuzza is correct, Pej was phenomenal and if Shaq had tried that leg waving shit with Pej he'd never do it again cos' he'd be taught a lesson he'd never forget. Yawn. Pej & Smithy may have gone down as legends at Stoke but that was as players 40 yrs ago, as radio commentators they are dire. Football has moved on, they haven't - and neither have a lot of supporters judging by some of these posts...
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 25, 2017 13:32:43 GMT
He talks shit. End of.
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Post by hoofmagic on Jan 25, 2017 14:03:13 GMT
good guy good player, he's forgot more about football than most managers on here ever thought of .
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Post by claytonscrubs on Jan 25, 2017 14:27:39 GMT
1972 League Cup Winner !.. How dare people insult him on this thread😉.. Short memories.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 25, 2017 17:20:42 GMT
good guy good player, he's forgot more about football than most managers on here ever thought of . judging by some of his pieces he's forgotten most of it!
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Post by fca47 on Jan 25, 2017 18:45:00 GMT
Bunch of numpties on a forum site purporting to know more than an ex player and qualified coach.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 25, 2017 18:50:18 GMT
It always irritates me that whenever there is media coverage of a big game such as Liverpool v Everton, the broadcasters always seem to drag in a well known player from the past to give comments and insights to their coverage. If its Liverpool its probably Jan Molby, for Spurs it might be Steve Perryman and Kerry Dixon for Chelsea. These former stars who are unlikely to have played for 15-20 years are asked questions about how their former club might approach the game or what tactics will be adopted. Total crap as in practice they are likely to know as much about what goes on at their former club as you or I might if we were brought in off the streets. They lived in a different era and cannot be expected to give valid representations of insider news at a club that has probably had 3 or 4 different managers since their own playing days. However good they may have been in their glory days they are an irrelevance in the modern era, even if they do demand respect. I mean, even if you asked any of Stoke's current squad, never mind Pejic, what is the essence of Hughes' tactical strategy, they probably wouldn't be able to give you an answer,
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 25, 2017 19:27:00 GMT
It always irritates me that whenever there is media coverage of a big game such as Liverpool v Everton, the broadcasters always seem to drag in a well known player from the past to give comments and insights to their coverage. If its Liverpool its probably Jan Molby, for Spurs it might be Steve Perryman and Kerry Dixon for Chelsea. These former stars who are unlikely to have played for 15-20 years are asked questions about how their former club might approach the game or what tactics will be adopted. Total crap as in practice they are likely to know as much about what goes on at their former club as you or I might if we were brought in off the streets. They lived in a different era and cannot be expected to give valid representations of insider news at a club that has probably had 3 or 4 different managers since their own playing days. However good they may have been in their glory days they are an irrelevance in the modern era, even if they do demand respect. I mean, even if you asked any of Stoke's current squad, never mind Pejic, what is the essence of Hughes' tactical strategy, they probably wouldn't be able to give you an answer, I think they will generally be keeping contacts, for example the Stoke "old boys" get together and some of them are directly involved with the club, as well as socialising. I think they will know a great deal more than "the man in the street" or keyboard warriors, whose main source of information is the lies and inventions of the media.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 25, 2017 19:54:37 GMT
Apparently all football knowledge began with Gary Neville and his chums on Sky!! Thank gawd that isn't the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 22:53:14 GMT
Bunch of numpties on a forum site purporting to know more than an ex player and qualified coach. I take it you're including yourself in that statement? Seeing as though you do it every week.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2017 22:57:59 GMT
It always irritates me that whenever there is media coverage of a big game such as Liverpool v Everton, the broadcasters always seem to drag in a well known player from the past to give comments and insights to their coverage. If its Liverpool its probably Jan Molby, for Spurs it might be Steve Perryman and Kerry Dixon for Chelsea. These former stars who are unlikely to have played for 15-20 years are asked questions about how their former club might approach the game or what tactics will be adopted. Total crap as in practice they are likely to know as much about what goes on at their former club as you or I might if we were brought in off the streets. They lived in a different era and cannot be expected to give valid representations of insider news at a club that has probably had 3 or 4 different managers since their own playing days. However good they may have been in their glory days they are an irrelevance in the modern era, even if they do demand respect. I mean, even if you asked any of Stoke's current squad, never mind Pejic, what is the essence of Hughes' tactical strategy, they probably wouldn't be able to give you an answer, What is the essence of Hughes' tactical strategy?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 25, 2017 23:04:03 GMT
Don't mind Pejic tbh because for me his observations are usually spot on
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 25, 2017 23:15:18 GMT
It always irritates me that whenever there is media coverage of a big game such as Liverpool v Everton, the broadcasters always seem to drag in a well known player from the past to give comments and insights to their coverage. If its Liverpool its probably Jan Molby, for Spurs it might be Steve Perryman and Kerry Dixon for Chelsea. These former stars who are unlikely to have played for 15-20 years are asked questions about how their former club might approach the game or what tactics will be adopted. Total crap as in practice they are likely to know as much about what goes on at their former club as you or I might if we were brought in off the streets. They lived in a different era and cannot be expected to give valid representations of insider news at a club that has probably had 3 or 4 different managers since their own playing days. However good they may have been in their glory days they are an irrelevance in the modern era, even if they do demand respect. I mean, even if you asked any of Stoke's current squad, never mind Pejic, what is the essence of Hughes' tactical strategy, they probably wouldn't be able to give you an answer, What is the essence of Hughes' tactical strategy? A few thoughts (in jest): Don't over train/practice, If we are confused then the opposition are bound to be. Don't do the blindingly obvious. Keep everyone guessing. Don't do it quickly if you can take longer. Why only use a few passes when you can do lots. Pick players out of position, it will make their lives/jobs more interesting. An injury is as good as a rest. Maybe some of those are a philosophy rather than strategy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2017 23:15:55 GMT
Don't mind Pejic tbh because for me his observations are usually spot on I don't buy the lack of identity and effort bullshit he comes out with. He's like Higgi actually who's comfort is 442 and hoofing it. If he's in doubt that's where his analysis goes and it's usually bullshit like Pej's assertions.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 25, 2017 23:17:05 GMT
What is the essence of Hughes' tactical strategy? A few thoughts (in jest): Don't over train/practice, If we are confused then the opposition are bound to be. Don't do the blindingly obvious. Keep everyone guessing. Don't do it quickly if you can take longer. Why only use a few passes when you can do lots. Pick players out of position, it will make their lives/jobs more interesting. An injury is as good as a rest. Maybe some of those are a philosophy rather than strategy. Haha!! It was a genuine question too because I don't think he's had one for 12 months!
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Post by kentpotter on Jan 27, 2017 14:54:43 GMT
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Post by kentpotter on Jan 27, 2017 14:56:03 GMT
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Post by kentpotter on Jan 27, 2017 14:57:28 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 27, 2017 18:25:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:57:08 GMT
"I wouldn't have brought on Ibrahim Afellay and Julien Ngoy - and I certainly wouldn't have broken up our midfield by taking off Charlie Adam. I thought Adam, Joe Allen and Glenn Whelan were hugely competitive and offering Stoke great defensive protection in the middle of the park. So what I would have done is bring on Phil Bardsley at right back, so I could then push Glen Johnson further upfield, and bring on Marc Muniesa on the left to operate in front of Erik Pieters." Give me strength.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2017 18:57:26 GMT
Met Pej a few times and he's a hell of a nice guy. I find his analysis quite insightful and just because he played a long time ago doesn't make his opinions any less valid.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 27, 2017 18:57:27 GMT
I've just seen a bit of this on Twatter. What a load of shit.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 27, 2017 18:59:13 GMT
Absolutely incredible scenes. A back 4, a midfield 3, johnson and muniesa in midfield as well and I assume crouch up front He things that would counter attack? The sort of article is why I made this thread in the first place
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Post by sean on Jan 27, 2017 19:26:10 GMT
Great player who would walk into our current team and be an England regular he was that good hard as nails but could play as well. He was also a highly respected and influential coach first at Fail under Rudge and then with Lou at Stoke I think from memory he got sacked by Stoke the same day that a question and answer evening with then former manager Lou Macari packed the Kings Hall to the rafters. Lou described his sacking as a disgrace, Forgotten more about football than most of us will ever know and a really nice guy to boot. not great on the radio though
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Post by whereami on Jan 27, 2017 19:49:03 GMT
"It did worry me that even a manager like Tony Pulis couldn't get the best out of him."
cat/pigeons
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 3, 2017 15:47:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:51:37 GMT
"This week confirmed to everybody that there's been a gear shift in the footballing philosophy of Mark Hughes."
Yep it's more TP than TP currently is. Evolution gentleman, add a forward as right back tomorrow and it will be most Stoke fans wet dream.
Anyone got a spare cap?
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Post by colinroberts1 on Feb 3, 2017 16:45:18 GMT
Didn't he get sacked or left by mutual consent from Plymouth or somewhere for bullying players? ? Sure it was something like that
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 3, 2017 18:56:35 GMT
Didn't he get sacked or left by mutual consent from Plymouth or somewhere for bullying players? ? Sure it was something like that As a youth coach at Ipswich in 2010
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