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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 1, 2017 20:48:41 GMT
Are we now not allowed to voice our opinions? Gouranga.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 1, 2017 20:49:12 GMT
Is part of the problem down to Hughes getting complacent and thinking he's safe as houses?
Results for the majority of 2016 have been poor and the fact that we used to be a bit shit and lose to Notts County has sod all do with it.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2017 20:50:48 GMT
What alovely 'vanilla' thread full of delicous nice feelings and sentiment Meanwhile, struggling in the lower half of the table - there is a reality to contend with :- We are presently :- a) - right now - up shit creek in terms of goalkeepers ( 1 crocked - 2 beyond use - one yet to sign) b) our most expensive signing at times, looks like a clueless, dis-interested, moribund traffic cone c) our fullbacks are old and of very doubtful reliability d ) Our captain - our legend - our leader, is not having a good season - with no real competition for his place e) We seem to have a glut of very similar players types competing for single roles and yawning gaps for other positions on the field f) Younger players are quite predictably (and visibly) getting more and more pissed off at the lack of opportunities whilst older players coming to an end of their noble careers, are routinely selected before they are g) We look a soft team - easy to play against h) at times we cant defend our own dinner j) and yet our manager thinks we can go ahead and defend leads k) At times - becoming more common even, team selection, tactics and substitions are profilgate, wasteful and border on stupidity ** ( ** latest example of above Arnie / Sobhi farce ) In short - and especially, given the outlay - we are seriously under performing and look worryingly weak and brittle ALL THE ABOVE IS REALITY
Im not looking for Hughes to be sacked but hes employed full time to see to all this stuff and seemingly, fails to recognise what we can all see . So, some pretty strong questioning and criticism is fully deserved right now and lastly BONY ---WTF is that all about ????????????????????????????????/ Pieters isn't old and I think both he and Johnson and even Bardsley are reliable,Derby say Grant is signing. There are not huge problems, we are in no danger of relegation (and haven't been since the first season under TP in my view). Not a vintage season so far that's for sure. I think we have got used to beating big teams at home and we haven't had that this season. FA Cup is more important this year than previous seasons,need to breed some positivity.Wolvrs is a must win game and they are dreadful. Sorry forgot a key point: Our outlay both in transfers and wages is not significant by Premier League standards, Leicester spent miles more this summer as did Palace.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 20:53:01 GMT
The only fans that are deluded imo are the ones that can't see what's been going on in the calendar year.Wake up and smell the coffee because at this moment in time we have stagnated and we all know what happens when clubs do this.We need a major overhaul this month otherwise it's going to be a long 5 months Agree with that mate but people who want Hughes out without a realistic replacement are in my opinion at best misguided shall we say.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 1, 2017 20:55:31 GMT
I'm a massive Hughes fan, and he's nowhere near sacking territory (we'd be the laughing stock of the league, that's for sure) But there's got to be cause for concern. Arguably Arnie aside, there are question marks all over the team and we've got one of the worst defensive records in the country over the last 12 months. At the moment, he seems to be making it up as he goes along. Hughes doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to centre forwards. He spent 24 years pursuing Diouf. He finally got his man and then stuck him out on the flank, gave him fleeting appearances through the middle before finally deciding he was a right wing back. He then spent 5 million on Joselu and then decided he didn't actually rate him that much. When he finally was given a few games, he started to show he might have something about him and he then got potted off. Next up was Bony. A run of games through the the middle before being expelled to the wilderness. In the midst of all that he toyed around with a false nine for a few games and then quickly dropped that too. 3 and a half years down the line and tens of millions being made available to him and his preferred choices are now Walters and Crouch. Progress. Most of that is pretty accurate and near the mark (in my opinion) Added to this .. we have more No10's that you could shake a stick at and one genuine holding midfielder. Sparky does seem to be in a parallel universe at the moment. Very concerning to be honest. I suppose a win on Tuesday will go some way to making things better.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 1, 2017 21:04:49 GMT
Close out WBA and Leicester and we're flying this term. It feels that marginal to me. Doesn't suggest losing the plot or sackings. Get a feeling it'll be a funky run in.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 1, 2017 21:05:22 GMT
Waddo got lots of stick but in those days there wasnt a forum like the Oatcake. Somehow lasted 17 years
Its what we do
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2017 21:05:47 GMT
The only fans that are deluded imo are the ones that can't see what's been going on in the calendar year.Wake up and smell the coffee because at this moment in time we have stagnated and we all know what happens when clubs do this.We need a major overhaul this month otherwise it's going to be a long 5 months Agree with that mate but people who want Hughes out without a realistic replacement are in my opinion at best misguided shall we say. He has some serious issues to address in the team mate and the next 2 prem games are very very important.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2017 21:10:15 GMT
Agree with that mate but people who want Hughes out without a realistic replacement are in my opinion at best misguided shall we say. He has some serious issues to address in the team mate and the next 2 prem games are very very important. How serious are these issues though? On a scale of one to ten with ten being the worst? I think it's overstated myself.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 21:12:58 GMT
Agree with that mate but people who want Hughes out without a realistic replacement are in my opinion at best misguided shall we say. He has some serious issues to address in the team mate and the next 2 prem games are very very important. He does but who would replace him if he was sacked?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2017 21:13:02 GMT
He has some serious issues to address in the team mate and the next 2 prem games are very very important. How serious are these issues though? On a scale of one to ten with ten being the worst? I think it's overstated myself. 7
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2017 21:17:19 GMT
He has some serious issues to address in the team mate and the next 2 prem games are very very important. He does but who would replace him if he was sacked? Thats down to the chairman/board mate and I gave my suggestion the other day in Gary Neville😮Before you take me to task he'll come good one day as a manager😄 At the moment his position is safe and he's still got credit in the bank but it's rapidly decreasing for me tbh
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Post by mrred on Jan 1, 2017 21:17:19 GMT
The only deluded fans are the ones that think last year was A-ok. We've got big problems in the squad and Hughes is becoming the stuborn arse I'd hope we'd not see again.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 1, 2017 21:22:27 GMT
He has some serious issues to address in the team mate and the next 2 prem games are very very important. How serious are these issues though? On a scale of one to ten with ten being the worst? I think it's overstated myself. I think even the most ardent happy-clapper and fully paid up member of the LMH fan club will have to say that 2016 has been very, very poor. On your scale it's got to be around 8.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2017 21:22:55 GMT
How serious are these issues though? On a scale of one to ten with ten being the worst? I think it's overstated myself. 7 7! Fucking hell that's very high. What number would you give Swansea? No more than a 4 for me at the very most. One day we will have a proper shit season and we will look back at the current era with different eyes.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2017 21:25:17 GMT
7! Fucking hell that's very high. What number would you give Swansea? No more than a 4 for me at the very most. One day we will have a proper shit season and we will look back at the current era with different eyes. 10
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 1, 2017 21:28:11 GMT
7! Fucking hell that's very high. What number would you give Swansea? No more than a 4 for me at the very most. One day we will have a proper shit season and we will look back at the current era with different eyes. It's salvageable obviously - but you do look at the squad, position-by-position, and there are a hell of a lot of question marks and ageing players and when you ask yourself what Hughes' plan is in that area you are left shrugging your shoulders a bit in most cases.
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 1, 2017 21:28:27 GMT
7! Fucking hell that's very high. What number would you give Swansea? No more than a 4 for me at the very most. One day we will have a proper shit season and we will look back at the current era with different eyes. Problem is though that this has been going on for a calender year. If the same form continues we could be in trouble.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Jan 1, 2017 21:31:07 GMT
He has some serious issues to address in the team mate and the next 2 prem games are very very important. How serious are these issues though? On a scale of one to ten with ten being the worst? I think it's overstated myself. I'm seeing it as about a 3 or 4 and I think in terms of the type of players we've needed for the squad Imbula, Allen, Sobhi, Sweeney, Grant, Bruno and even Bony have been bang on on paper at least. Obviously some won't come off, but imo that's pretty good business. If Bony had clicked I think we'd have been pretty much set. Window ahead. We've tended to buck the spending trends, we outspent everyone together last xmas, but didn't hardly put a dent in the summer billion cash splash. Two out of three winter windows Hughes has brought in a season lifter. Odemwingie Imbula. The other was Guidetti. I'm hoping for the wingie effect.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 21:38:29 GMT
He does but who would replace him if he was sacked? Thats down to the chairman/board mate and I gave my suggestion the other day in Gary Neville😮Before you take me to task he'll come good one day as a manager😄 At the moment his position is safe and he's still got credit in the bank but it's rapidly decreasing for me tbh He may make a good manager if his experiences at Valencia haven't affected his enthusiasm to give management a go. Not the time or place at the moment for me.It's not that i'm not concerned ,more of a you got us in this mess now you get us out of it. Ideally unless we have a far better 2017 than 2016 then we should review in the summer.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2017 21:40:20 GMT
Thats down to the chairman/board mate and I gave my suggestion the other day in Gary Neville😮Before you take me to task he'll come good one day as a manager😄 At the moment his position is safe and he's still got credit in the bank but it's rapidly decreasing for me tbh He may make a good manager if his experiences at Valencia haven't affected his enthusiasm to give management a go. Not the time or place at the moment for me.It's not that i'm not concerned ,more of a you got us in this mess now you get us out of it. Ideally unless we have a far better 2017 than 2016 then we should review in the summer. Ok mate no doubt we'll discuss it Tuesday if your bothering😄
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 21:44:50 GMT
He may make a good manager if his experiences at Valencia haven't affected his enthusiasm to give management a go. Not the time or place at the moment for me.It's not that i'm not concerned ,more of a you got us in this mess now you get us out of it. Ideally unless we have a far better 2017 than 2016 then we should review in the summer. Ok mate no doubt we'll discuss it Tuesday if your bothering😄 Won't be there Tuesday mate i am still having problems with this fuckin rheumatoid arthritis.Hopefully see you Saturday.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2017 21:46:25 GMT
Ok mate no doubt we'll discuss it Tuesday if your bothering😄 Won't be there Tuesday mate i am still having problems with this fuckin rheumatoid arthritis.Hopefully see you Saturday. Ok mate have you got your seat for Wolves?
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 1, 2017 21:47:41 GMT
There is no way that we are going to be relegated this season.
I think that Sparky and PC will agree to a "sticking plaster" mentality this January.
Close season will be a different matter.
If we are a couple of places above relegation and this alarming decline is still ongoing then questions will be asked.
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 21:50:33 GMT
Won't be there Tuesday mate i am still having problems with this fuckin rheumatoid arthritis.Hopefully see you Saturday. Ok mate have you got your seat for Wolves? Yes mate.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 1, 2017 21:52:17 GMT
Ok mate have you got your seat for Wolves? Yes mate. Scrum down then especially after Christmas 😄😄
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Post by pottersrule on Jan 1, 2017 22:14:21 GMT
Scrum down then especially after Christmas 😄😄 Bloody hell never thought of that,won't just be tight on the pitch then.
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 1, 2017 22:34:25 GMT
7! Fucking hell that's very high. What number would you give Swansea? No more than a 4 for me at the very most. One day we will have a proper shit season and we will look back at the current era with different eyes. Defensively is a massive concern. We have conceeded 70 goals in the 38 games of the calendar year, which is getting near to crisis mode. We have ageing out-of-form defenders and the fewest amount of them than any other team in the prem. At the moment Indie, Shawcross,Pieters play if they are anywhere near fit, as we have no other options - utterly baffling when he appears to have the backing of his chairman - 8/10 defensively. Lets not get started on the GK situation or that the striker Hughes brought in spends most of his time in defensive positions these days, while we have millions of pounds of talent sitting on the bench. we are going backwards at the moment, but we look to have enough to get out of any real trouble and we do have some talented players in our squad. Perhaps a 5/10 overall- That said Hughes has amassed 42pts in the 38 games of the calendar year, so again another downward trend and total Pulis got sacked for. Just because we have had shit seasons before is not really an argument to keep a failing manager, he is blatantly failing at the basics at the moment and we should not persist with him if he cant at least get the fundamentals correct.
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 2, 2017 9:57:55 GMT
I think the OP is exactly right having read through the thread; there seems to be two camps on here:
Those who are generally content to see their club battling away to sustain a mid-table place, who recognise that we are not going to match the top big 6 clubs who have spent £100 millions on amassing the best talent and hiring the world's best managers and other staff, who don't accept that if you generally attack as a team then you are vulnerable to conceding goals, and don't want to sack the manager as soon as we have a back run of results. (I can hear some say now "it's been 12/18 months of bad results", but actually they are generally the same people who complain as the first bad performance.)
Then their are those who are frustrated that Stoke have failed to progress beyond where we were at the end of Hughes second season, and indeed believe we have regressed with the amount of goals being conceded. Annoyed that players on huge wages do not appear to care or put in maximum effort. Bitterly disappointed that the highly expensive signings we have made have totally failed to set the world on fire. Deeply frustrated with the failure to sign a successful striker. Dismayed that the huge wealth at the owners disposal has not been put to better use by creating a younger, faster, more talented and committed squad of players. Highly critical of the manager's decision making on team selection, tactics, style of play, use of substitutes, and use of young academy players.
In reality everyone's position is different, but everyone wants to see the club being successful, although I sometimes wonder whether a few individuals want to see the club fail so they can congratulate themselves by saying "There I told you". It doesn't really matter how long you have been a fan. Those who have been around a long time and stayed loyal can still fall into either camp above, depending on their outlook in life; some just happy to be back in the top flight of football, and others annoyed at seeing a wasted opportunity in the club's history to actually achieve something like Leicester have just done.
Personally, I'm old school, seen a lot of it before, including seeing our League Cup victory, and am just desperate for the owners and management to succeed and win the FA Cup before I shuffle off. But I also think I understand the frustrations of those who see a golden opportunity slipping away and a lack of urgency by the club establishment to do anything about it, and, in their opinion, baffling incompetent decisions being made. I am optimistic about the second half of the season, but don't expect us to progress significantly, but some reading this will think that is pessimism, it just depends on your outlook.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 2, 2017 9:58:18 GMT
[quote source="/post/5387514/thread" timestamp="1483307433" author=" pottersrule"]Yes mate. Scrum down then especially after Christmas 😄😄[/quote] Can't fuckin' wait!!!e x_
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