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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2016 18:55:46 GMT
Two things - Whelan still plays and it misses Cameron. That's how bad it is.... Any players you like from other clubs that are realistic signings, Pugs? McCarthy at Everton if they sign Schneiderlain. Other than that no idea. What about you? Noticed on another thread you had a few names but didn't want to say. Come on, we're all mates here - tell the class!!! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 28, 2016 18:59:20 GMT
Any players you like from other clubs that are realistic signings, Pugs? McCarthy at Everton if they sign Schneiderlain. Other than that no idea. Everton fans I know hate him. I can only agree with them. They seem to have the same problems as us with an aging and slow squad. They weren't happy. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2016 19:01:59 GMT
McCarthy at Everton if they sign Schneiderlain. Other than that no idea. Everton fans I know hate him. I can only agree with them. They seem to have the same problems as us with an aging and slow squad. They weren't happy. Fair enough, to be honest I don't know. I've no idea who would be attainable. |
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Dec 28, 2016 19:02:11 GMT
Its missing Steve Foley and/or Ray Wallace  |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 28, 2016 19:02:54 GMT
McCarthy at Everton if they sign Schneiderlain. Other than that no idea. Everton fans I know hate him. I can only agree with them. They seem to have the same problems as us with an aging and slow squad. They weren't happy. Cleverley, then?  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 28, 2016 19:05:02 GMT
Everton fans I know hate him. I can only agree with them. They seem to have the same problems as us with an aging and slow squad. They weren't happy. Fair enough, to be honest I don't know. I've no idea who would be attainable. It is a tough one to answer because at the end of the day we have no idea who'd come here and who wouldn't. Money wise most players in Europe would get a pay rise of they joined us but there is the status aspect too. |
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 28, 2016 19:07:39 GMT
Fair enough, to be honest I don't know. I've no idea who would be attainable. It is a tough one to answer because at the end of the day we have no idea who'd come here and who wouldn't. Money wise most players in Europe would get a pay rise of they joined us but there is the status aspect too. We shouldn't worry, no doubt our crack scouting team have identified a list of top performers falling over themselves to join us... |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 28, 2016 19:10:30 GMT
Everton fans I know hate him. I can only agree with them. They seem to have the same problems as us with an aging and slow squad. They weren't happy. Fair enough, to be honest I don't know. I've no idea who would be attainable. That's why I asked, Pugs. We all sort of know what we need but find it hard to name names that would come here. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 28, 2016 19:13:56 GMT
It is a tough one to answer because at the end of the day we have no idea who'd come here and who wouldn't. Money wise most players in Europe would get a pay rise of they joined us but there is the status aspect too. We shouldn't worry, no doubt our crack scouting team have identified a list of top performers falling over themselves to join us... I think they will have. I really do think the issues arise with the money (and it shouldn't) and Hughes not knowing what he wants. And I think Allen is a great example of that. |
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Post by ryan4england on Dec 28, 2016 19:14:47 GMT
No general, leader & all round shouter/ bollocker, simple as that. Good technical footballers in their own right but we're soft as shit & too nice. No grit, no backbone, no spirit.
Too many spankings for my liking, can't defend a lead, goal goes in theres no anger, heads down back to the halfway line. No character in this squad, it's the type of players he goes for.
Pulis collects captains we collect 'the right deal for the club'. I don't blame hughes entirly as I think he is probably given a pool of players, also believe that what is happening with our transfer 'policy' is what pulis didn't agree with.
Imbula or schniederlin? Phillips or shaqiri? He's building a good strong side. We have spent 50million + on three midfielders that don't have the leadership qualities.
But as i have been told countless times, 3 top half finishes etc etc so what are you moaning for?....
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Post by ashleyscfc on Dec 28, 2016 19:20:36 GMT
What's wrong with the midfield is it's missing Steven nzonzi.
He made up for the lack of pressing in the rest of the team with his ability to cover ground.
This also covered up for whelans lack of mobility but also helped us defensively as he actually attempted to
Win the ball back.
It made whelans role easier as he only had one role. Stay where he was and give it to Nzonzi.
We need workers and quality in the middle of the pitch. I'd still like to see Allen & Imbula there. Or Allen and Cameron. Or Affellay and Imbula. I'd let the 4 of them duke it out for roles. When all fit it should be more than enough cover for the middle and we can move whelan to the bench
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 28, 2016 19:21:51 GMT
Yes let's drop him then and carry on playing whelan , imbula and another and see how many goals that Larry , curly and mo score You never know we might function better as a team? But it is a cluster fuck. And one of the reasons why is because Allen has played so well. But there's just something missing from how he plays the role he is. There's no spark. There's energy but no creativity. The rest are an issue too don't think for one second I don't think that. But Allen was never needed, still isn't really and is causing a headache even if we (fans and MH) don't realise. Well il beg to differ but I respect your opinion |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 28, 2016 19:22:07 GMT
No general, leader & all round shouter/ bollocker, simple as that. Good technical footballers in their own right but we're soft as shit & too nice. No grit, no backbone, no spirit. Too many spankings for my liking, can't defend a lead, goal goes in theres no anger, heads down back to the halfway line. No character in this squad, it's the type of players he goes for. Pulis collects captains we collect 'the right deal for the club'. I don't blame hughes entirly as I think he is probably given a pool of players, also believe that what is happening with our transfer 'policy' is what pulis didn't agree with. Imbula or schniederlin? Phillips or shaqiri? He's building a good strong side. We have spent 50million + on three midfielders that don't have the leadership qualities. But as i have been told countless times, 3 top half finishes etc etc so what are you moaning for?.... I have always been anti Pulis, mate, but I hate to admit I have been more impressed with his signings than ours of late. I'd love Philips and Rondon in our side, for instance. But assuming Tone isn't coming back, who would you like in our midfield? |
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 28, 2016 19:24:44 GMT
A lack of grit backbone and fight in his team will do for Hughes eventually.
It's the cake, not the icing on it.
Sadly, just a matter of time
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 28, 2016 19:25:05 GMT
What's wrong with the midfield is it's missing Steven nzonzi. He made up for the lack of pressing in the rest of the team with his ability to cover ground. This also covered up for whelans lack of mobility but also helped us defensively as he actually attempted to Win the ball back. It made whelans role easier as he only had one role. Stay where he was and give it to Nzonzi. We need workers and quality in the middle of the pitch. I'd still like to see Allen & Imbula there. Or Allen and Cameron. Or Affellay and Imbula. I'd let the 4 of them duke it out for roles. When all fit it should be more than enough cover for the middle and we can move whelan to the bench I think N'Zonzi carried Whelan, to be honest. We haven't been the same side since he left. |
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Post by RAF on Dec 28, 2016 19:27:27 GMT
No general, leader & all round shouter/ bollocker, simple as that. Good technical footballers in their own right but we'te soft as shit & too nice. No grit, no backbone, no spirit. Too many spankings for my liking, can't defend a lead, goal goes in theres no anger, heads down back to the halfway line. No character in this squad, it's the type of players he goes for. Pulis collects captains we collect 'the right deal for the club'. I don't blame hughes entirly as I think he is probably given a pool of players, also believe that what is happening with our transfer 'policy' is what pulis didn't agree with. Imbula or schniederlin? Philips or shaqiri? He's building a good strong side. We have spent 50million + on three midfielders that don't have the leadership qualities. But as i have bern told countless times, 3 top half finishes etc etc so what you moaning for?.... Yeah Pulis was well known for collecting Captains! With respect that is arse gravy. You also realise that Schneiderlin is just paper talk surely? H |
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2016 19:27:52 GMT
What's wrong with the midfield is it's missing Steven nzonzi. He made up for the lack of pressing in the rest of the team with his ability to cover ground. This also covered up for whelans lack of mobility but also helped us defensively as he actually attempted to Win the ball back. It made whelans role easier as he only had one role. Stay where he was and give it to Nzonzi. We need workers and quality in the middle of the pitch. I'd still like to see Allen & Imbula there. Or Allen and Cameron. Or Affellay and Imbula. I'd let the 4 of them duke it out for roles. When all fit it should be more than enough cover for the middle and we can move whelan to the bench I think N'Zonzi carried Whelan, to be honest. We haven't been the same side since he left. Said it so often. We'd be extremely fortunate to sign a player as complete as N'Zonzi the only way to compensate is to upgrade his midfield partner. |
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2016 19:33:47 GMT
No general, leader & all round shouter/ bollocker, simple as that. Good technical footballers in their own right but we'te soft as shit & too nice. No grit, no backbone, no spirit. Too many spankings for my liking, can't defend a lead, goal goes in theres no anger, heads down back to the halfway line. No character in this squad, it's the type of players he goes for. Pulis collects captains we collect 'the right deal for the club'. I don't blame hughes entirly as I think he is probably given a pool of players, also believe that what is happening with our transfer 'policy' is what pulis didn't agree with. Imbula or schniederlin? Philips or shaqiri? He's building a good strong side. We have spent 50million + on three midfielders that don't have the leadership qualities. But as i have bern told countless times, 3 top half finishes etc etc so what you moaning for?.... Yeah Pulis was well known for collecting Captains! With respect that is arse gravy. You also realise that Schneiderlin is just paper talk surely? H Pulis took about 6 years to assemble the most boring side in premier league history. After 3 and a half Hughes seems determined to emulate him. Managers have a shelf life at a club, the sooner our owners realise that the better. Change should be regular, managed and not crisis led. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 28, 2016 20:17:58 GMT
For me good player that he is allen and the fact we can't find the right role is affecting the team shades of Rodney marsh at Man City all those years ago .its no coincidence our best display recently was at Watford without him Bayern might agree with you there, Benji! I thought Allen was good in a midfield including Cameron and Whelan against Man. Utd as well. Are we actually missing Cameron more than some would believe? In the current set up I think we're missing another more defensive minded midfielder rather than Cameron himself, I'd bring another 2 in and have Whelan as back up. |
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Post by ryan4england on Dec 28, 2016 20:36:06 GMT
No general, leader & all round shouter/ bollocker, simple as that. Good technical footballers in their own right but we're soft as shit & too nice. No grit, no backbone, no spirit. Too many spankings for my liking, can't defend a lead, goal goes in theres no anger, heads down back to the halfway line. No character in this squad, it's the type of players he goes for. Pulis collects captains we collect 'the right deal for the club'. I don't blame hughes entirly as I think he is probably given a pool of players, also believe that what is happening with our transfer 'policy' is what pulis didn't agree with. Imbula or schniederlin? Phillips or shaqiri? He's building a good strong side. We have spent 50million + on three midfielders that don't have the leadership qualities. But as i have been told countless times, 3 top half finishes etc etc so what are you moaning for?.... I have always been anti Pulis, mate, but I hate to admit I have been more impressed with his signings than ours of late. I'd love Philips and Rondon in our side, for instance. But assuming Tone isn't coming back, who would you like in our midfield? I was anti pulis towards the end, players out of position, no ambition away from home etc but this next level does it even exist¿ I feel the same as you about what he is doing at wba, good solid signings, the type of players that will be stand up and be counted, for me it's our lack of these types with a battling attitude that makes me look on with a slight envy of the team being built at wba. IMO if Hughes wants to succeed he needs to reasess the type of player he goes for, he could do worse than look at the captains in the championship to see who can step up, British based players who see Stoke as a step up etc, players with a leadership mentality. Saying that if Hughes went tomorrow top of my wishlist would be pulis in, transfer team & current transfer policy out, players from bigger things whose careers have stalled for one reason or another from abroad, stop. etc, It's a policy that has loads of flaws. He's more experienced now aswell, fresh slate, new base to build from I'd be all for it. Pulis would soon sort the players that want to be here from the players that don't. He's looking a bit more adventurous these days but he won't release the shackles until its solid enough building it up slowly, the right way imo |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Dec 28, 2016 20:42:02 GMT
Our defence and strikeforce worry me more than our midfield right now! It's unbalanced and not working but it's probably the least broken out of all the broken areas of our team right now.
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2016 20:43:41 GMT
I have always been anti Pulis, mate, but I hate to admit I have been more impressed with his signings than ours of late. I'd love Philips and Rondon in our side, for instance. But assuming Tone isn't coming back, who would you like in our midfield? I was anti pulis towards the end, players out of position, no ambition away from home etc but this next level does it even exist¿ I feel the same as you about what he is doing at wba, good solid signings, the type of players that will be stand up and be counted, for me it's our lack of these types with a battling attitude that makes me look on with a slight envy of the team being built at wba. IMO if Hughes wants to succeed he needs to reasess the type of player he goes for, he could do worse than look at the captains in the championship to see who can step up, British based players who see Stoke as a step up etc, players with a leadership mentality. Saying that if Hughes went tomorrow top of my wishlist would be pulis in, transfer team & current transfer policy out, players from bigger things whose careers have stalled for one reason or another. He's more experienced now aswell, fresh slate, new base to build from I'd be all for it. Pulis would soon sort the players that want to be here from the players that don't Shocker, never have guessed that. |
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Post by ryan4england on Dec 28, 2016 20:46:02 GMT
I was anti pulis towards the end, players out of position, no ambition away from home etc but this next level does it even exist¿ I feel the same as you about what he is doing at wba, good solid signings, the type of players that will be stand up and be counted, for me it's our lack of these types with a battling attitude that makes me look on with a slight envy of the team being built at wba. IMO if Hughes wants to succeed he needs to reasess the type of player he goes for, he could do worse than look at the captains in the championship to see who can step up, British based players who see Stoke as a step up etc, players with a leadership mentality. Saying that if Hughes went tomorrow top of my wishlist would be pulis in, transfer team & current transfer policy out, players from bigger things whose careers have stalled for one reason or another. He's more experienced now aswell, fresh slate, new base to build from I'd be all for it. Pulis would soon sort the players that want to be here from the players that don't Shocker, never have guessed that. I wanted him gone more than most! |
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2016 20:49:32 GMT
Shocker, never have guessed that. I wanted him gone more than most! What's changed. He hasn't thats for sure. |
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Post by ryan4england on Dec 28, 2016 20:55:10 GMT
I wanted him gone more than most! What's changed. He hasn't thats for sure. We'll he's not looking at Sunderland reserves anymore. Not doing too bad either if you look at the table. Scored more than us and conceded less. Without berahino. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 28, 2016 21:00:08 GMT
Allen is part of the problem. He's not an attacking midfielder and we never needed him: We neglected the areas we did need. And we don't play the best attacking midfielder we have to get Allen in the side. And then when Allen has played deeper he's looked awful. Not replacing Whelan in the summer was the major factor but then it was amplified by spending 13m on a player we never had a need for. I think Allen is an industrious midfielder of the ilk of Ray Houghton, or our own Kevin Keen!
He can't play in the middle as part of a 2, but could play in a 3 with a proper holding midfielder behind him and a similar industrious sort of player on the other side.
I think he could do what Kevin Keen did in a Lou Macari type 4-4-2, with a potent front 2.
He is not a player who suits any of the systems that Mark Hughes plays though.
And I agree he is definitely NOT someone who should be the creative influence playing just off the front man.
The midfield is a total mess, the manager has no idea what types of midfielder he has been signing. And now we see Imbula fucking about at Anfield in a role completely alien to him standing next to his centre backs, where we don't want him.
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Post by alster on Dec 28, 2016 21:07:03 GMT
What's changed. He hasn't thats for sure. We'll he's not looking at Sunderland reserves anymore. Not doing too bad either if you look at the table. Scored more than us and conceded less. Without berahino. I tend to judge football by what I see on the pitch not by looking at a table. He consistently produced mind numbingly boring so called football that was unbearable to watch. Maybe theres a masterplan knocking around the club somewhere because Hughes now seems determined to rival its turgidity, he's a beginner compared to Pulis though. I'd feel better if he died in his sleep tonight just to reassure me he's never coming back. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 21:11:31 GMT
What's changed. He hasn't thats for sure. We'll he's not looking at Sunderland reserves anymore. Not doing too bad either if you look at the table. Scored more than us and conceded less. Without berahino. Don't worry the second half of the season hasn't started yet. Give it a few weeks and 40 points will be mentioned followed by parking the bus and shitting himself. They won't get top 10, it's all about survival. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 21:13:01 GMT
Also why on earth do Stoke fans see Pulis as the only viable option to join Stoke? There are thousands of managers all over the world, many with great pedigree and a trophy cabinet to back it up.
We are a rich club in world football, if we want a big dog in charge we could have one.
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Post by ryan4england on Dec 28, 2016 21:19:53 GMT
We'll he's not looking at Sunderland reserves anymore. Not doing too bad either if you look at the table. Scored more than us and conceded less. Without berahino. Don't worry the second half of the season hasn't started yet. Give it a few weeks and 40 points will be mentioned followed by parking the bus and shitting himself. They won't get top 10, it's all about survival. He isn't daft he's getting to a point where he can start looking up with the players he's signing, IMO. I'll watch though but our surrender monkeys don't look top 10atm either |
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