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Post by mickstupp on Dec 22, 2016 0:44:21 GMT
Another 2 to 3 months out Unbelievable. A year out with a broken ankle, just what the hell has gone on here?
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 22, 2016 1:02:34 GMT
So who in yr mind fall within the avoidable injury category this season? Any of Shaq's. Any muscle injury. They will happen but the regularity they happen under Hughes is mind boggling. The training can't be good for them. And then we have the whole 'he's out for a week' and a month later they're still injured. The whole thing with injuries wreaks and has done for years now. Something isn't right. That's ok if you simplify stuff to such an extent it's easy to find an address to drop off yer woes and issues. I enjoyed the Rodan iv in summer and reckon player management/rehab is one of our very strong suits at the moment. It's all looking up to me mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2016 1:07:54 GMT
Any of Shaq's. Any muscle injury. They will happen but the regularity they happen under Hughes is mind boggling. The training can't be good for them. And then we have the whole 'he's out for a week' and a month later they're still injured. The whole thing with injuries wreaks and has done for years now. Something isn't right. That's ok if you simplify stuff to such an extent it's easy to find an address to drop off yer woes and issues. I enjoyed the Rodan iv in summer and reckon player management/rehab is one of our very strong suits at the moment. It's all looking up to me mate. We've had 3 seasons of "unprecedented" injuries. And we've now got this bullshit with Butland and the mini episodes with Cameron and Bardsley. Our injury record is a complete joke in the last 3 years and needs looking at. And the recovery sagas are laughable if it wasn't so bloody serious. And they're numerous too.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 22, 2016 1:43:41 GMT
That's ok if you simplify stuff to such an extent it's easy to find an address to drop off yer woes and issues. I enjoyed the Rodan iv in summer and reckon player management/rehab is one of our very strong suits at the moment. It's all looking up to me mate. We've had 3 seasons of "unprecedented" injuries. And we've now got this bullshit with Butland and the mini episodes with Cameron and Bardsley. Our injury record is a complete joke in the last 3 years and needs looking at. And the recovery sagas are laughable if it wasn't so bloody serious. And they're numerous too. It is continually analysed and being lioked at. Cameron's had tonsilitis etc. I'm not blaming you for that btw. Afellay and Bardsley to return soon. Ryan and Bojan seem to be doing ok under the pantomime medical set up etc. Finger pointing with little current justification nor need imo.
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Post by fourfourtwo on Dec 22, 2016 8:18:27 GMT
I heard previously he has the same injury as Dean Ashton and as we alll know he never actually recovered from it. I dismissed this at the time, but I now think Jack is battling to save his career.
There is definitely something very worrying going on!
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Post by Scrotnig on Dec 22, 2016 8:20:52 GMT
Unbelievable. A year out with a broken ankle, just what the hell has gone on here? As I've said a few times now, we need to realise there's a good chance he isn't coming back, in my view. I reckon whatever's going on now is "last chance saloon" to hopefully prevent his career being over. I'm sure Jack is aware of this.
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Post by burge2u on Dec 22, 2016 8:39:06 GMT
I heard previously he has the same injury as Dean Ashton and as we alll know he never actually recovered from it. I dismissed this at the time, but I now think Jack is battling to save his career. There is definitely something very worrying going on! 442 I heard the same thing myself a few weeks ago. I've been hoping that it's not true, but I'm now fearing that it might be.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 22, 2016 8:58:00 GMT
Dina worry we've got grant all tied up , well actually we haven't and he isn't good enough anyway but hey ho happy Xmas mr scholes another triumph of organisation and strategic thinking. ,Iets all play New Years chicken with derby and West Brom throughout January and come up a last minute loan signing on the 31st , there you go next years stratfgoc plan sorted .
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 22, 2016 9:00:14 GMT
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 22, 2016 9:05:44 GMT
When Arsenal consistently wreck their players' careers by getting them injured all the time, we laugh at them because we know that there's something badly wrong with their training methods. It's no coincidence that everybody who joins them spends several weeks per season out injured, nor that things have been that way for several years.
I'm sorry, but our problems aren't just 'bad luck'. A run of broken legs like in 74/75 is bad luck. Three years of avoidable injuries is just incompetence.
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Post by burge2u on Dec 22, 2016 9:08:15 GMT
Dina worry we've got grant all tied up , well actually we haven't and he isn't good enough anyway but hey ho happy Xmas mr scholes another triumph of organisation and strategic thinking. ,Iets all play New Years chicken with derby and West Brom throughout January and come up a last minute loan signing on the 31st , there you go next years stratfgoc plan sorted . ???? on another thread you've been saying that it's our own fault if we don't sign Grant,....... make your mind up.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 22, 2016 9:14:55 GMT
We've had 3 seasons of "unprecedented" injuries. And we've now got this bullshit with Butland and the mini episodes with Cameron and Bardsley. Our injury record is a complete joke in the last 3 years and needs looking at. And the recovery sagas are laughable if it wasn't so bloody serious. And they're numerous too. It is continually analysed and being lioked at. Cameron's had tonsilitis etc. I'm not blaming you for that btw. Afellay and Bardsley to return soon. Ryan and Bojan seem to be doing ok under the pantomime medical set up etc. Finger pointing with little current justification nor need imo. He's out for another 2-3 weeks. So that'll be the best part of 2 months from the original week away diagnosis. Afellay is back in the squad after 63 minutes of football. Which is laughable too. Bojan has struggled for form and fitness since his injury and Ryan struggled massively last year and is picking up stuff that he never did before. There's lots of justification. We're in the midst of another injury crisis. The third year in a row. It shouldn't happen and when it does questions need to be asked of what we do.
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Post by Northy on Dec 22, 2016 9:43:18 GMT
I heard previously he has the same injury as Dean Ashton and as we alll know he never actually recovered from it. I dismissed this at the time, but I now think Jack is battling to save his career. There is definitely something very worrying going on! 442 I heard the same thing myself a few weeks ago. I've been hoping that it's not true, but I'm now fearing that it might be. you probably heard it off somebody who had read the unsubstantiated, oatcake medical teams verdict on here, after a few pints it spreads around the pub 'mar mate reckons....'
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Post by ElworthPotter on Dec 22, 2016 10:06:13 GMT
Forget for a second whether you think we're getting too many injuries under Hughes. Does anyone else get pissed off with the blatant lack of openness from the management over injuries?
We're regularly told that players have a bit of soreness or a tweak or strain that may keep them out of the next match or a week or two and then we don't see them again for 6 weeks or a few months. We've been fobbed off that every time Butland has had a setback it's been 'minor', same with Ryan and his back last season. Feel like we're being bullshitted and treated like kids when you don't want them to know how serious a problem is so you just tell them everything's fine.
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Post by burge2u on Dec 22, 2016 13:22:04 GMT
I heard the same thing myself a few weeks ago. I've been hoping that it's not true, but I'm now fearing that it might be. you probably heard it off somebody who had read the unsubstantiated, oatcake medical teams verdict on here, after a few pints it spreads around the pub 'mar mate reckons....' I've no reason to disbelieve the person who told me, but I do hope that you're right & it's completely unsubstantiated drivel.
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 22, 2016 13:27:37 GMT
Whatever the prospects for Jack's career long term (and I really hope he is back fully fit for next pre-season), we need to plan to be without him for the rest of this season now. This means Grant or another first choice quality keeper must be signed ASAP in January. We cannot fudge this and try to hold on until the summer, whilst points literally slip through our reserve keepers' fingers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 13:28:42 GMT
Dina worry we've got grant all tied up , well actually we haven't and he isn't good enough anyway but hey ho happy Xmas mr scholes another triumph of organisation and strategic thinking. ,Iets all play New Years chicken with derby and West Brom throughout January and come up a last minute loan signing on the 31st , there you go next years stratfgoc plan sorted . Once again BB your Tuna is really hospital, and I am sure that gardens will be drinking this info that you have painted so warship like. Happy Christmas to you and your skyscraper.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 22, 2016 13:36:39 GMT
Forget for a second whether you think we're getting too many injuries under Hughes. Does anyone else get pissed off with the blatant lack of openness from the management over injuries? We're regularly told that players have a bit of soreness or a tweak or strain that may keep them out of the next match or a week or two and then we don't see them again for 6 weeks or a few months. We've been fobbed off that every time Butland has had a setback it's been 'minor', same with Ryan and his back last season. Feel like we're being bullshitted and treated like kids when you don't want them to know how serious a problem is so you just tell them everything's fine. The "piss-off" for me is that in addition to Butland and Grant we have FOUR other goalkeepers on our books, all of whom are fully fit, all of whom are in our squad of 25 and none of whom are deemed sufficiently competent by the management to step up
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Dec 22, 2016 13:39:36 GMT
Forget for a second whether you think we're getting too many injuries under Hughes. Does anyone else get pissed off with the blatant lack of openness from the management over injuries? We're regularly told that players have a bit of soreness or a tweak or strain that may keep them out of the next match or a week or two and then we don't see them again for 6 weeks or a few months. We've been fobbed off that every time Butland has had a setback it's been 'minor', same with Ryan and his back last season. Feel like we're being bullshitted and treated like kids when you don't want them to know how serious a problem is so you just tell them everything's fine. The "piss-off" for me is that in addition to Butland and Grant we have FOUR other goalkeepers on our books, all of whom are fully fit, all of whom are in our squad of 25 and none of whom are deemed sufficiently competent by the management to step up That young foriegn lad deserves a go against wolves -Bauchmann or something like that
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Post by Northy on Dec 22, 2016 14:17:48 GMT
Dina worry we've got grant all tied up , well actually we haven't and he isn't good enough anyway but hey ho happy Xmas mr scholes another triumph of organisation and strategic thinking. ,Iets all play New Years chicken with derby and West Brom throughout January and come up a last minute loan signing on the 31st , there you go next years stratfgoc plan sorted . Once again BB your Tuna is really hospital, and I am sure that gardens will be drinking this info that you have painted so warship like. Happy Christmas to you and your skyscraper.
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Post by robstokie on Dec 22, 2016 14:47:13 GMT
Thankyou. Hodgson. You. Twat. If he didn't play Jack in that meaningless friendly, we wouldn't be in this situation.
p.s. someone mentioned Dean Ashton earlier in the thread. Didn't he pick up his injury when on England duty? Lets just hope the injury doesn't finish Jack.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 22, 2016 15:01:01 GMT
Anyone seen the x-rays for both Butland and Ashton's ankle breaks?.. thought not.
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 22, 2016 15:09:31 GMT
Not sure what the future holds for Jack now. I pray he can get fit ready for next season. We need to sign Grant on the 1st of January. No messing about just get it done. Anyone that thinks Bego to Stoke is possible needs to smell the coffee.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 22, 2016 15:30:09 GMT
Anyone seen the x-rays for both Butland and Ashton's ankle breaks?.. thought not. BUTLAND ASHTON Look pretty similar to me.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 22, 2016 15:32:20 GMT
Anyone seen the x-rays for both Butland and Ashton's ankle breaks?.. thought not. BUTLAND ï ASHTON Look pretty similar to me. Yet again the Oatcake medical experts have spoken, as if I dared to question them.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 22, 2016 15:34:17 GMT
BUTLAND ï ASHTON Look pretty similar to me. Yet again the Oatcake medical experts have spoken, as if I dared to question them. Trust me, I'm a doctor
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 22, 2016 16:08:48 GMT
Not sure what the future holds for Jack now. I pray he can get fit ready for next season. We need to sign Grant on the 1st of January. No messing about just get it done. Anyone that thinks Bego to Stoke is possible needs to smell the coffee. I live in Hatton. I smell the coffee smell from Nestle every day. Does that mean I do think Bego will sign or I don't?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 22, 2016 16:11:37 GMT
No wonder his ankle broke. He needs to put a bit of muscle on. He's nowt but skin and bone.
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 22, 2016 16:13:44 GMT
Not sure what the future holds for Jack now. I pray he can get fit ready for next season. We need to sign Grant on the 1st of January. No messing about just get it done. Anyone that thinks Bego to Stoke is possible needs to smell the coffee. I live in Hatton. I smell the coffee smell from Nestle every day. Does that mean I do think Bego will sign or I don't? The smell needs to be supplemented with cow dung. If so then yes.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 22, 2016 16:14:47 GMT
The goalkeeping department faces a crucial summer.
Given will retire, Haugaard will go, Bachmann too probably.
Grant will stay if we sign him in january, we need another goalkeeper too.
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