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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 17, 2016 17:02:12 GMT
Worst performance by Hughes for me. Subs were worse than amateur. I have to say, Hughes' management bordered on cowardly today!
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Post by stokie1954 on Dec 17, 2016 17:03:34 GMT
Another humiliating capitulation. We are relegation fodder, as I've been saying all season. No points likely from the next few games which will leave us close to, if not even actually in, the bottom three. seriously ? Too fuckin right its serious.
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Post by shooters on Dec 17, 2016 17:03:39 GMT
2-0 and half the team on yellows just get the ball to Bojan (Shaq or sobhi) and run at them...absolutely clueless mgt that. Defeats from Chelsea and Liverpool coming up and then pressure on again.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Dec 17, 2016 17:04:58 GMT
This is not Hughes fault.. It's the players. They just ended up being so bloody complacent and switched off. Absolutley clueless and should have sharpened up. They stopped closing players down, just lazy passes around thinking they had won this. I know why Hughes put Adam to try and plug the gap that was opening up in front of the defence. Fresher legs earlier, yes maybe.... but this is in the majority down to the players... I disagree. We had space out wide all second half and who was trying to put crosses in? Diouff, Johnson and Pieters. With that space out wide he should have bought Shaq or Ramadan on and Crouch, the number of crosses we were getting in there. Hughes is a negative coach. I agree about that... we should have exploited the chances we had, that said i still think the players were very complacent. The passing was laboured and they were not closing down like the first half.... the players were going through the motions thinking they had sewn it up.
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Post by Jimmyg on Dec 17, 2016 17:05:42 GMT
Tries to brute force his way through 90 minutes. Tactically inept, the lost points are completely down to Hughes. I know at 2-0 we should have been patient with are build up play and ball retention, can't see how playing it high into the box helps we're terrible from long balls.as for set pieces we may as well just play them short as I can't remember last time we scored from a set piece, far too predictable
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Post by StokieNath on Dec 17, 2016 17:05:43 GMT
Joke of a club
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Post by shiltonbanks on Dec 17, 2016 17:05:50 GMT
That was Embarrassing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 17:05:52 GMT
Right. I'm not at the match. I'm having a Christmas piss up. But I'm sorry. This is shit. We're 2-0 up at home against a struggling team down to 10 men with their star striker off. The tide has turned for me. This just ain't acceptable. We should be doing better than this. We can do better than this. I'm so pissed off right now. We're not progressing at all. Sort it in the January window or go Hughes. Sort it out, not go in my opinion. Sorry mate, emotion and ale probably got the better of me. My daughter had my ticket today so I desperately wanted us to do well for her. I'm a bit pissed but I've backed Hughes massively since day one, and right now I don't think that loyalty is being reciprocated. Sort it or go. Today has been a game changer in my attitude. Sort it soon or go. S'up to him.
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Post by tuum on Dec 17, 2016 17:10:05 GMT
I am as pissed off as the next person but if you think we let that slip because Hughes didn't bring his subs on early enough then you are clueless. We were in complete control at 2-0. They were creating nothing we had the odd chance, we were putting the odd quality cross in behind their defenders. Why do you think he needs to change anything under those circumstances? No one was blowing out their arse. Once they scored there may be an argument for him to make a change then. Changing Adam out for Bojan was not necessarily a bad decision. We lost that game because we failed to deal with crosses into the box. All the knicker wetting on here does my head in. Suck it up and move on.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 17, 2016 17:10:57 GMT
Jon offside Walters did little in the 2nd half yet Bojan gets taken off and Adam brought on. We needed a 3rd goal, Ramadan should have been brought on with fresh legs
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Post by tuum on Dec 17, 2016 17:11:09 GMT
Commentator "stoke haven't done too much wrong".. what a quote. Just the second half... We were not that bad in the 2nd half until they scored and then we lost a bit of composure.
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Post by ozy2002 on Dec 17, 2016 17:11:21 GMT
Thank you Hughes for losing very easy 3 points , , thank you again for let Ramadan to play one min and half , If hen do you think Ramadan can play ? When arna and Shakiri in? I think if Ramadan is not ready to play in first team then please let him to play with under 23 Or let him to go on loan in team which he can show himself If you have guy nominated as best talent in Africa and half season you can't use him then you have big problem , when I see how arsenal play iwobi regularly. While Ramadan is better than him and he never play I really feel boiling and the result make me more boiling
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Post by Dr Hesham on Dec 17, 2016 17:11:28 GMT
I am still nervous from Hughes I hate losing points with this way
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 17, 2016 17:12:01 GMT
Sort it out, not go in my opinion. Sorry mate, emotion and ale probably got the better of me. My daughter had my ticket today so I desperately wanted us to do well for her. I'm a bit pissed but I've backed Hughes massively since day one, and right now I don't think that loyalty is being reciprocated. Sort it or go. Today has been a game changer in my attitude. Sort it soon or go. S'up to him. I'm pissed, too and I share your concerns! I just don't like ditching managers, that's all. I do think Hughes's subs are weird at times, though!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 17:14:39 GMT
A good point, under the circumstances.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 17, 2016 17:15:01 GMT
I am as pissed off as the next person but if you think we let that slip because Hughes didn't bring his subs on early enough then you are clueless. We were in complete control at 2-0. They were creating nothing we had the odd chance, we were putting the odd quality cross in behind their defenders. Why do you think he needs to change anything under those circumstances? No one was blowing out their arse. Once they scored there may be an argument for him to make a change then. Changing Adam out for Bojan was not necessarily a bad decision. We lost that game because we failed to deal with crosses into the box. All the knicker wetting on here does my head in. Suck it up and move on. Not taking Walters off and bringing on someone to tire them further at 70 minutes was the problem with the substitutions or lack of them. We needed to score or at least keep them on their back foot. Not knicker wetting just better tactics
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Post by tuum on Dec 17, 2016 17:15:04 GMT
Grant should have done better with the equaliser. That was a quality cross. If Grant does not pick up the flight quickly and make an instant decision to come for it then he would never get there. Difficult one for a keeper I think.
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Post by tuum on Dec 17, 2016 17:21:22 GMT
I am as pissed off as the next person but if you think we let that slip because Hughes didn't bring his subs on early enough then you are clueless. We were in complete control at 2-0. They were creating nothing we had the odd chance, we were putting the odd quality cross in behind their defenders. Why do you think he needs to change anything under those circumstances? No one was blowing out their arse. Once they scored there may be an argument for him to make a change then. Changing Adam out for Bojan was not necessarily a bad decision. We lost that game because we failed to deal with crosses into the box. All the knicker wetting on here does my head in. Suck it up and move on. Not taking Walters off and bringing on someone to tire them further at 70 minutes was the problem with the substitutions or lack of them. We needed to score or at least keep them on their back foot. Not knicker wetting just better tactics I can appreciate that point. Moving Diouf to centre forward and bringing on a winger but we were 2-0 up and in no real danger. We didn't need to force it.... well, I didn't think so at the time. I never thought we would implode.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 17:24:38 GMT
I'm fuckin' gutted. It really isn't me to be so reactionary, but I don't think he can take us forward any further.
Hughes' game plan since his second season has been to get in front then hit teams on the break. We rarely get in front anyway, and when we do, and we're 2-0 up against a struggling team down to 10 men and we still fuck it up then his game plan ain't working.
Sorry, but this has fuckin' hurt me. We're better than this. Change it soon or go.
Fuckin' gutted.
Merry fuckin' Christmas!
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Post by petecampbell on Dec 17, 2016 17:25:09 GMT
Hughes what were you thinking.
Walters clearly had to come off.
Allen and Imbula both frustrating me today as well. Don't think we can play both of them in the same side.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 17, 2016 17:27:42 GMT
Not taking Walters off and bringing on someone to tire them further at 70 minutes was the problem with the substitutions or lack of them. We needed to score or at least keep them on their back foot. Not knicker wetting just better tactics I can appreciate that point. Moving Diouf to centre forward and bringing on a winger but we were 2-0 up and in no real danger. We didn't need to force it.... well, I didn't think so at the time. I never thought we would implode. Been watching Stoke for 55 years now and they have always done this. We have never been good at retaining a lead. However we are not in trouble and Hughes is a good manager, just don't understand his attitude to substitutions. Have a good Christmas
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Post by Gunslinger on Dec 17, 2016 17:27:58 GMT
This is not Hughes fault.. It's the players. They just ended up being so bloody complacent and switched off. Absolutley clueless and should have sharpened up. They stopped closing players down, just lazy passes around thinking they had won this. I know why Hughes put Adam to try and plug the gap that was opening up in front of the defence. Fresher legs earlier, yes maybe.... but this is in the majority down to the players... Sorry, but I don't agree with you on this one. It's Hughes's players, his team-selection and his tactics. The players also follows his training regime. If the players doesn't perform the way they should then he must do something about it.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Dec 17, 2016 17:38:45 GMT
PEDESTRIAN and screaming for PACE
No penetration against 10 men
Bring Charlie on and the Sobhi for 3 minutes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 17:58:28 GMT
I am as pissed off as the next person but if you think we let that slip because Hughes didn't bring his subs on early enough then you are clueless. We were in complete control at 2-0. They were creating nothing we had the odd chance, we were putting the odd quality cross in behind their defenders. Why do you think he needs to change anything under those circumstances? No one was blowing out their arse. Once they scored there may be an argument for him to make a change then. Changing Adam out for Bojan was not necessarily a bad decision. We lost that game because we failed to deal with crosses into the box. All the knicker wetting on here does my head in. Suck it up and move on. You are so wrong in so many ways it's untrue.
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Post by steve66 on Dec 17, 2016 18:10:28 GMT
Jon offside Walters did little in the 2nd half yet Bojan gets taken off and Adam brought on. We needed a 3rd goal, Ramadan should have been brought on with fresh legs Wtf joe, Walters ran his balls off closing down and extremely unlucky not to of scored two, schmeichael made a lucky save and one world class save from SJW
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 17, 2016 18:49:41 GMT
Jon offside Walters did little in the 2nd half yet Bojan gets taken off and Adam brought on. We needed a 3rd goal, Ramadan should have been brought on with fresh legs Wtf joe, Walters ran his balls off closing down and extremely unlucky not to of scored two, schmeichael made a lucky save and one world class save from SJW running your balls off isn't the same as scoring. Being offside so often is stupid. Bringing Ramadan on and moving Diouf into the middle or swapping Walters for Bony would have been better options. Walters has always given maximum effort but at 70 minutes it would have been opportune to take him off and bring on fresh legs to harrass them. The fault lies with Hughes for the substitutions but Walters was contributing little and was even stupidly offside directly from a free kick
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Post by gravyboatstokie on Dec 17, 2016 20:06:53 GMT
Hi all, here's the video from today, as always, any views/likes are appreciated - Cheers, Dave
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Post by Teanstokie1 on Dec 17, 2016 20:07:34 GMT
Thought Wednesday was a point gained today certainly 2 lost.Hughes today as cost us simple.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 17, 2016 20:10:35 GMT
I am as pissed off as the next person but if you think we let that slip because Hughes didn't bring his subs on early enough then you are clueless. We were in complete control at 2-0. They were creating nothing we had the odd chance, we were putting the odd quality cross in behind their defenders. Why do you think he needs to change anything under those circumstances? No one was blowing out their arse. Once they scored there may be an argument for him to make a change then. Changing Adam out for Bojan was not necessarily a bad decision. We lost that game because we failed to deal with crosses into the box. All the knicker wetting on here does my head in. Suck it up and move on. We didn't lose the game. Just saying :-)
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Post by owdestokie on Dec 17, 2016 20:22:59 GMT
Jon offside Walters did little in the 2nd half yet Bojan gets taken off and Adam brought on. We needed a 3rd goal, Ramadan should have been brought on with fresh legs Wtf joe, Walters ran his balls off closing down and extremely unlucky not to of scored two, schmeichael made a lucky save and one world class save from SJW l Don't cloud the issue with fact. It'll upset the Walters police
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