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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 8:43:04 GMT
As MOTD highlighted yesterday, the problem with Leicester is their apparent lack of effort.
The hunger from last year seems to have disappeared.
Is that down to Ranieri? I'd suggest it is. A serial winner such as Fergie never had problems retaining desire amongst his teams.
That said, average or not, he deserves better than for fans to call for his head now.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 4, 2016 9:06:11 GMT
The answer to their decline is called Kante!
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Post by pyrus on Dec 4, 2016 9:34:51 GMT
Average is an interesting word. As in wins the league last season, then this season comes e.g. 15th (where they are currently) making his average position 8th - which would be okay, probably, if that's where they actually finish. It's the variance in the results that, I imagine, is concerning. It shows a lack of consistency; feast to famine, when you probably really want a few bread and butter seasons. I sort of understand the relegation worry and in spite of what happened last season, it's got to make you nervous and want to consider your options.
Interesting that we average 9th, based on our last three seasons and our current position - a lower average, but 0 variance - making us bread and butter, completely consistent, performers. Yet, only yesterday I noticed that at one point, the top thread on the front page of this forum was 'Hughes Out'.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2016 9:38:36 GMT
A Leicester "fan" on 606 was suggesting Ian Dowie as a replacement for Ranieri. That would be like us calling for Chiccy Bates after Hughes's bad run What a moron. I heard that on the way home (appropriately enough to Leicester) - I particularly liked his argument that he'd be a good manager for them because he's got a degree. Out of interest I looked it up - he's got a degree in engineering. On this basis given that Jose Mourinho is a highly qualified football coach I thought I'd give him a call to see if he'd fix my fridge. Cash in hand of course. To be fair all of the Leicester fans I've talked to know that last season was a one off and it would be much harder this year. Also they know that playing in the Champions League could be a once in lifetime experience so they're prepared to take a dip in the Premier League to give it a good go. And there is a sense of a debt owed to Ranieri for what he did for them last season - most fans will cut him slack for that. I think they've got enough about them to stay up - especially when their involvement in the Champions League is over. The real challenge is next year. They've got some ageing players and some players who may well only be there for the Champions League exposure. Its going to be one of those 48 hour hangovers when the horrible bit comes right at the end.
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Post by haway on Dec 4, 2016 9:50:32 GMT
leicester won the prem league last year fair and square but for me it was a freak season where everything went in their favour the big 6 all imploded. that wont happen again as chelsea are proving this season. for the record i stated before the season started that the best value bet for this season is leicester to finish bottom half [2/1] i dont think you will find that price anymorepmsl. i dont think they will go down as there are too many poor teams such as sunderland,hull,swansea,watford, One of those teams have just battered Leicester and unlucky not to win by more than 1 goal...
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Post by Mendicant on Dec 4, 2016 9:51:32 GMT
They'll win the Champions' League. and i will get to have my threesome with rachel rilley and carol vordman. pmsl You'll need to improve your spelling if you want to have your way with the ladies from Countdown duck.
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Post by nutterpotter on Dec 4, 2016 9:54:42 GMT
So if they lose every game until Christmas, he shouldn't get the sack because they won the league last season?
Yes, that may be an extreme scenario but the point still holds.
At what stage do you forget about the miracle he orchestrated last season and focus on the present?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2016 10:15:29 GMT
So if they lose every game until Christmas, he shouldn't get the sack because they won the league last season? Yes, that may be an extreme scenario but the point still holds. At what stage do you forget about the miracle he orchestrated last season and focus on the present? Exactly! And as Haway has said one of the teams most of us would declare as utter shit has just beaten them. Actually didn't Watford beat them too? So that's another one....
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Post by lordb on Dec 4, 2016 10:17:27 GMT
So if they lose every game until Christmas, he shouldn't get the sack because they won the league last season? Yes, that may be an extreme scenario but the point still holds. At what stage do you forget about the miracle he orchestrated last season and focus on the present? End of May. If they finish below twelfth/thirteenth and get outclassed in the first Champions League knockout round and nothing in the FA Cup then they might want to review. I think they will pick up and do better than the above scenario.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2016 10:18:22 GMT
leicester won the prem league last year fair and square but for me it was a freak season where everything went in their favour the big 6 all imploded. that wont happen again as chelsea are proving this season. for the record i stated before the season started that the best value bet for this season is leicester to finish bottom half [2/1] i dont think you will find that price anymorepmsl. i dont think they will go down as there are too many poor teams such as sunderland,hull,swansea,watford, Leicester have lost to 3 of those this season.
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Post by no1972 on Dec 4, 2016 11:16:01 GMT
Hopefully in my lifetime we'll win the league and get into the next stage of Champions league with a bang average manager. Hopefully id like to think I'd have the sense of perspective to not be then calling for the bang average managers head after a few poor results We got to the FA Cup final with a poor manager..... So there's that. Why don't you fuck off,I wish we could win the league,I suppose you did not go Wembley to support a poor manager.You talk some shit and must live a sad live.Is there anything you like ,I bet you are the star at the Christmas party or don't you like Christmas because it's about celebration.WANKER
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2016 11:23:16 GMT
We got to the FA Cup final with a poor manager..... So there's that. Why don't you fuck off,I wish we could win the league,I suppose you did not go Wembley to support a poor manager.You talk some shit and must live a sad live.Is there anything you like ,I bet you are the star at the Christmas party or don't you like Christmas because it's about celebration.WANKER
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 4, 2016 11:32:27 GMT
He's always been a bang average coach so it's not surprising. He's got to change it soon for the reason Lineker and Shearer just said. He's being massively naive. Bang average? Really? Last season was arguably the greatest managerial achievement ever.
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Post by nutterpotter on Dec 4, 2016 11:34:42 GMT
He's always been a bang average coach so it's not surprising. He's got to change it soon for the reason Lineker and Shearer just said. He's being massively naive. Bang average? Really? Last season was arguably the greatest managerial achievement ever. Anomaly? You just have to look at the massive outrage when he was appointed Leicester manager.
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Post by Theninjabadger on Dec 4, 2016 11:49:49 GMT
He's always been a bang average coach so it's not surprising. He's got to change it soon for the reason Lineker and Shearer just said. He's being massively naive. Bang average? Really? Last season was arguably the greatest managerial achievement ever. It certainly helped they got very few injuries/suspensions. The old head scout deserves a lot of the credit as well. A lot of teams underestimated them last year as well which they aren't doing now. Also a special shout out to their drug dealers... erm I mean medical team. Average managers have 1 good season. Great managers have 1 bad season
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2016 11:50:10 GMT
He's always been a bang average coach so it's not surprising. He's got to change it soon for the reason Lineker and Shearer just said. He's being massively naive. Bang average? Really? Last season was arguably the greatest managerial achievement ever. Look at his career. One swallow doesn't make a summer.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 4, 2016 12:18:18 GMT
Bang average? Really? Last season was arguably the greatest managerial achievement ever. Look at his career. One swallow doesn't make a summer. If football honours were birds winning the Premier League wouldn't be a swallow. It's a big fuck off Golden Eagle.
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Post by FriendlyLCFC on Dec 4, 2016 12:20:07 GMT
I think the majority are still behind him, including myself. At the moment it's dissapointing because the position we're in, is all very unnecessary. What I mean is, I for one felt this season was an opportunity to really push on into becoming a regular top ten PL side, or at least top half. I just hope the manager and squad haven't accepted we're in a relegation battle because we shouldn't be, with the squad we have.
I hope things pick up, as I think we're capable of finishing in the top half/ten. For me, and many Leicester fans don't feel this way, but I think our recruitment in the summer was good, we strengthened a title winning squad. We've missed a few key players through injury, so once they all return it will be a real boost for us hopefully.
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Post by roylandstoke on Dec 4, 2016 12:24:35 GMT
Keeping that squad in the league last season would have been an achievement.
Winning the league should guarantee the fella a job for life.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 13:33:00 GMT
I love the game - absolutely hate the morons that 'infect it' however
both on and off the pitch
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 4, 2016 13:44:02 GMT
A Leicester "fan" on 606 was suggesting Ian Dowie as a replacement for Ranieri. That would be like us calling for Chiccy Bates after Hughes's bad run What a moron. I think they've got enough about them to stay up - especially when their involvement in the Champions League is over. The real challenge is next year. They've got some ageing players and some players who may well only be there for the Champions League exposure. Its going to be one of those 48 hour hangovers when the horrible bit comes right at the end. Is not even considered them doing a Leeds
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2016 13:46:12 GMT
I think the majority are still behind him, including myself. At the moment it's dissapointing because the position we're in, is all very unnecessary. What I mean is, I for one felt this season was an opportunity to really push on into becoming a regular top ten PL side, or at least top half. I just hope the manager and squad haven't accepted we're in a relegation battle because we shouldn't be, with the squad we have. I hope things pick up, as I think we're capable of finishing in the top half/ten. For me, and many Leicester fans don't feel this way, but I think our recruitment in the summer was good, we strengthened a title winning squad. We've missed a few key players through injury, so once they all return it will be a real boost for us hopefully. Who's been out?
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 4, 2016 13:52:20 GMT
Keeping that squad in the league last season would have been an achievement. Winning the league should guarantee the fella a job for life. I agree with your sentiment, but it is a hard life and nobody is guaranteed the same job if they are not performing. I think it is despicable that some people want him sacked so soon, but if he can't turn it round he needs to be moved "upstairs", sacking would be heinous. Timing is crucial. The board should give him all the support he needs, but they also have to act before it gets too late to avoid relegation. Personally I don't think there is much chance of that, there are at least 3 squads worse than they are, but they could change during January, as indeed did Leicester 2 years ago. The current performance records of Leicester, West Ham, and Palace show that it may be important to have quality players but it counts for little if the team are playing badly. Conversely TP has clearly welded together a very effective unit at West Brom and really got that team playing well with some pretty average players. They, Southampton and Everton are all demonstrating the there is a fine line between good and poor results. Vardy's form shows what happens with footballers. Sometimes everything touched turns to gold, and then there are streaks when nothing goes right.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 4, 2016 14:30:47 GMT
He's always been a bang average coach so it's not surprising. He's got to change it soon for the reason Lineker and Shearer just said. He's being massively naive. Bang average? Really? Last season was arguably the greatest managerial achievement ever. I thought that honour belonged to the epic comeback against Villa when TP turned up at half time?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 4, 2016 15:06:45 GMT
I think they've got enough about them to stay up - especially when their involvement in the Champions League is over. The real challenge is next year. They've got some ageing players and some players who may well only be there for the Champions League exposure. Its going to be one of those 48 hour hangovers when the horrible bit comes right at the end. Is not even considered them doing a Leeds Leeds was a different story. Their problem there was that they saw themselves as this sleeping giant on the edge of becoming one of the european greats and spent stupid money to maintain the delusion. Leicester's owners (like most of their fans) know where they are at. Every sane fan knows that if you are outside the the "big" 5/6 there's a reasonable chance you will go down if things don't go to plan. Leicester are a decent side with a good manager having a bad run and have a major distraction. On the whole they aren't deluded and have a good enough squad to stay up. Doesn't mean they can't go down, just don't think they will.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 4, 2016 15:53:45 GMT
Bang average? Really? Last season was arguably the greatest managerial achievement ever. I thought that honour belonged to the epic comeback against Villa when TP turned up at half time? What a bizarre post.
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Post by FriendlyLCFC on Dec 4, 2016 16:29:52 GMT
I think the majority are still behind him, including myself. At the moment it's dissapointing because the position we're in, is all very unnecessary. What I mean is, I for one felt this season was an opportunity to really push on into becoming a regular top ten PL side, or at least top half. I just hope the manager and squad haven't accepted we're in a relegation battle because we shouldn't be, with the squad we have. I hope things pick up, as I think we're capable of finishing in the top half/ten. For me, and many Leicester fans don't feel this way, but I think our recruitment in the summer was good, we strengthened a title winning squad. We've missed a few key players through injury, so once they all return it will be a real boost for us hopefully. Who's been out? Well, there's been one particular player who I feel we've missed a lot - summer signing Nampalys Mendy who is a CDM/CM. He looked quite promising in his debut but since then this injury he's had has kept him out for months. He will certainly give us another dimension and option in the centre of the park, I like the look of him and his style of play.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 4, 2016 16:40:31 GMT
Kante is gone and so are Leicester. He made their team - covering the massively over rated Drinkwater and the two donkeys at the heart of Defence. No surprise Chelsea look so good now he has settled there.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 4, 2016 17:48:21 GMT
Well, there's been one particular player who I feel we've missed a lot - summer signing Nampalys Mendy who is a CDM/CM. He looked quite promising in his debut but since then this injury he's had has kept him out for months. He will certainly give us another dimension and option in the centre of the park, I like the look of him and his style of play. So that's one player who has barely played for you. Who are the others?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 4, 2016 18:52:51 GMT
Kante is gone and so are Leicester. He made their team - covering the massively over rated Drinkwater and the two donkeys at the heart of Defence. No surprise Chelsea look so good now he has settled there. So they won it coz of Kante who did his own job, covered for Drinkwater and two defenders, Chelsea a shoe in for the league so, must be like playing 14 men....
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