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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 7, 2016 9:44:00 GMT
If your face fits, your international career can be extended very arbitrarily.
And if it doesn't.....
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 7, 2016 13:38:29 GMT
I get the Ryan thing - he will never get picked again as he dared to slightly mistime a tackle on one of the Whinger's effete midfielders. So we pick an out of shape, out of form Jagielka - makes perfect sense in the "Team England" world.
How Charlie and Bardo cannot make a terribly mediocre Scotland squad, though, absolutely staggers me.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 7, 2016 21:02:34 GMT
Cresswell and Pickford called up
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 7, 2016 21:26:41 GMT
If your face fits, your international career can be extended very arbitrarily. And if it doesn't..... If you asked 10,000 English fans nationwide who should be in a 25 player England squad, it wouldn't be hardly any different from the one that Southgate, Allardyce or Hodgson have picked. Maybe the odd exception. There is not a group of very talented english players out there who could transform the nation's fortunes who are being routinely ignored by the managers. Reading this thread you would think that is the case.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 7, 2016 21:27:55 GMT
I just can't understand the selection of Walcott and Wilshere. I realise that the former has hit a patch of form, but both have demonstrated at great length that they simply aren't good enough, and neither will get any better. They're yesterday's men, and I don't really see why they aren't on the scrapheap. You can include Jagielka in that club, too.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 7, 2016 21:39:46 GMT
I get the Ryan thing - he will never get picked again as he dared to slightly mistime a tackle on one of the Whinger's effete midfielders. So we pick an out of shape, out of form Jagielka - makes perfect sense in the "Team England" world. How Charlie and Bardo cannot make a terribly mediocre Scotland squad, though, absolutely staggers me. I watch Scotland all the time and watching them against Lithuania recently, with SPL players trying to break down a team about as good as a second division side in England, I just could not believe that Charlie Adam was not at least on the bench.
Under Strachan their main failing has been beating teams they are expected to beat, eg Georgia and now Lithuania. In games like that I would fancy Adam all day long to pop in a shot from the edge of the area or get an assist. I just don't get it.
Bardo - I don't get that one. Calum Patterson, a shit full back who plays for Hearts...Hearts!!! Gets in before him. Again, it is like picking an average league 1 full back ahead of a premier league full back.
Strachan has lost the plot and will be sacked after this game
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Post by metalhead on Nov 8, 2016 7:15:54 GMT
Because 500 million Indian Arsenal fans will now tune in to watch?
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Post by nott1 on Nov 8, 2016 7:25:37 GMT
I get the Ryan thing - he will never get picked again as he dared to slightly mistime a tackle on one of the Whinger's effete midfielders. So we pick an out of shape, out of form Jagielka - makes perfect sense in the "Team England" world. How Charlie and Bardo cannot make a terribly mediocre Scotland squad, though, absolutely staggers me. I watch Scotland all the time and watching them against Lithuania recently, with SPL players trying to break down a team about as good as a second division side in England, I just could not believe that Charlie Adam was not at least on the bench.
Under Strachan their main failing has been beating teams they are expected to beat, eg Georgia and now Lithuania. In games like that I would fancy Adam all day long to pop in a shot from the edge of the area or get an assist. I just don't get it.
Bardo - I don't get that one. Calum Patterson, a shit full back who plays for Hearts...Hearts!!! Gets in before him. Again, it is like picking an average league 1 full back ahead of a premier league full back.
Strachan has lost the plot and will be sacked after this game
The manager is a parochial idiot!
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 8, 2016 10:30:17 GMT
It seems Southo is very likely to be the manager permanently.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 8, 2016 10:51:01 GMT
The only reason I give the slightest of fucks about the next England game is because it's against Scotland.
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Post by ohbottom on Nov 8, 2016 10:54:47 GMT
I get the Ryan thing - he will never get picked again as he dared to slightly mistime a tackle on one of the Whinger's effete midfielders. So we pick an out of shape, out of form Jagielka - makes perfect sense in the "Team England" world. How Charlie and Bardo cannot make a terribly mediocre Scotland squad, though, absolutely staggers me. I watch Scotland all the time and watching them against Lithuania recently, with SPL players trying to break down a team about as good as a second division side in England, I just could not believe that Charlie Adam was not at least on the bench.
Under Strachan their main failing has been beating teams they are expected to beat, eg Georgia and now Lithuania. In games like that I would fancy Adam all day long to pop in a shot from the edge of the area or get an assist. I just don't get it.
Bardo - I don't get that one. Calum Patterson, a shit full back who plays for Hearts...Hearts!!! Gets in before him. Again, it is like picking an average league 1 full back ahead of a premier league full back.
Strachan has lost the plot and will be sacked after this game
Shameful isn't it mate, but it's been going on for years. Alan Hansen was one of the best defenders in Europe yet only played a handful of games for Scotland. He wasn't even in the squad for Mexico 86
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2016 11:18:42 GMT
I watch Scotland all the time and watching them against Lithuania recently, with SPL players trying to break down a team about as good as a second division side in England, I just could not believe that Charlie Adam was not at least on the bench.
Under Strachan their main failing has been beating teams they are expected to beat, eg Georgia and now Lithuania. In games like that I would fancy Adam all day long to pop in a shot from the edge of the area or get an assist. I just don't get it.
Bardo - I don't get that one. Calum Patterson, a shit full back who plays for Hearts...Hearts!!! Gets in before him. Again, it is like picking an average league 1 full back ahead of a premier league full back.
Strachan has lost the plot and will be sacked after this game
Shameful isn't it mate, but it's been going on for years. Alan Hansen was one of the best defenders in Europe yet only played a handful of games for Scotland. He wasn't even in the squad for Mexico 86 What was the reasoning?
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 8, 2016 11:43:40 GMT
I watch Scotland all the time and watching them against Lithuania recently, with SPL players trying to break down a team about as good as a second division side in England, I just could not believe that Charlie Adam was not at least on the bench.
Under Strachan their main failing has been beating teams they are expected to beat, eg Georgia and now Lithuania. In games like that I would fancy Adam all day long to pop in a shot from the edge of the area or get an assist. I just don't get it.
Bardo - I don't get that one. Calum Patterson, a shit full back who plays for Hearts...Hearts!!! Gets in before him. Again, it is like picking an average league 1 full back ahead of a premier league full back.
Strachan has lost the plot and will be sacked after this game
Shameful isn't it mate, but it's been going on for years. Alan Hansen was one of the best defenders in Europe yet only played a handful of games for Scotland. He wasn't even in the squad for Mexico 86 Jock Stein was increasingly exasperated by the way Liverpool players weren't committed to the cause. The day before the decisive game away to Wales Hansen was training and walked off mid session saying he could feel his knee. Hansen left the camp there and then, before he could receive treatment, no discussion. The same night Ferguson and Stein were watching the under 21s and Stein told Ferguson if Scotland qualify Hansen wouldn't be going. Ferguson was taken aback but didn't say anything. Stein was, after all, the boss. Ferguson had a dilemma when he selected his squad. There was serious full back problems. One of the defenders could play in two positions which fattened the squad up. When deciding who to omit Ferguson remembered Stein's words. in short, Hansen hadn't been committed enough to earn a place at the 1986 World Cup.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 8, 2016 11:49:46 GMT
England's 25-man squad to face Scotland and Spain Forster (Southampton), Hart (Torino), Heaton (Burnley); Bertrand (Southampton), Cahill (Chelsea), Clyne (Liverpool), Jagielka (Everton), Keane (Burnley), Rose (Tottenham), Stones (Man City), Walker (Tottenham); Dier (Tottenham), Drinkwater (Leicester), Henderson (Liverpool), Wilshere (Bournemouth), Lallana (Liverpool), Lingard (Man Utd), Rooney (Man Utd), Sterling (Man City), Townsend (Crystal Palace); Walcott (Arsenal), Kane (Tottenham), Rashford (Man Utd), Sturridge (Liverpool), Vardy (Leicester) Just shows the lack of depth in English footballers. Same old squad, but no idea who I would have picked. Doesn't seem to be anyone. If all were fit: Hart, Butland, Forster; Walker, Clyne, Shawcross, Cahill, Smalling, Bertrand, Rose; Dier, Noble, Drinkwater, Henderson, Alli, Barkley, Lallana, Walcott, Ox-Chamberlain, Sterling, Antonio; Kane, Austin. Leaves us a bit light with centre forwards but some of the midfielders could play up top. Townsend and Zaha are perhaps unlucky to miss out on my squad too. But certainly players like Wilshere, Sturridge, Rooney, Jagielka don't deserve to be there and Vardy is questionable. Rashford, Stones, Shaw, Lingard and Keane should be left in the U21s when they've got a game at the same time, I see little point in taking the young players to just be on the bench when the U21s are playing. Butland would be my first choice keeper so he isn't included in that! Cahill. I can't believe I've picked him...
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Post by ohbottom on Nov 8, 2016 12:04:35 GMT
Shameful isn't it mate, but it's been going on for years. Alan Hansen was one of the best defenders in Europe yet only played a handful of games for Scotland. He wasn't even in the squad for Mexico 86 Jock Stein was increasingly exasperated by the way Liverpool players weren't committed to the cause. The day before the decisive game away to Wales Hansen was training and walked off mid session saying he could feel his knee. Hansen left the camp there and then, before he could receive treatment, no discussion. The same night Ferguson and Stein were watching the under 21s and Stein told Ferguson if Scotland qualify Hansen wouldn't be going. Ferguson was taken aback but didn't say anything. Stein was, after all, the boss. Ferguson had a dilemma when he selected his squad. There was serious full back problems. One of the defenders could play in two positions which fattened the squad up. When deciding who to omit Ferguson remembered Stein's words. in short, Hansen hadn't been committed enough to earn a place at the 1986 World Cup. Yeah it's true the top English clubs were reluctant to see their players selected for friendlies, but so were Celtic. Later with ManU Ferguson himself became famous for finding an excuse to stop his players joining the England squad. Hansen probably was a bit of a cock but I don't think the Scots were so blessed in defence to not even take someone of his calibre in the squad. Having said that, they were far better then than they are today.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 8, 2016 12:40:55 GMT
Jock Stein was increasingly exasperated by the way Liverpool players weren't committed to the cause. The day before the decisive game away to Wales Hansen was training and walked off mid session saying he could feel his knee. Hansen left the camp there and then, before he could receive treatment, no discussion. The same night Ferguson and Stein were watching the under 21s and Stein told Ferguson if Scotland qualify Hansen wouldn't be going. Ferguson was taken aback but didn't say anything. Stein was, after all, the boss. Ferguson had a dilemma when he selected his squad. There was serious full back problems. One of the defenders could play in two positions which fattened the squad up. When deciding who to omit Ferguson remembered Stein's words. in short, Hansen hadn't been committed enough to earn a place at the 1986 World Cup. Yeah it's true the top English clubs were reluctant to see their players selected for friendlies, but so were Celtic. Later with ManU Ferguson himself became famous for finding an excuse to stop his players joining the England squad. Hansen probably was a bit of a cock but I don't think the Scots were so blessed in defence to not even take someone of his calibre in the squad. Having said that, they were far better then than they are today. THe Wales v Scotland game wasn't a friendly it was a crucial World Cup qualfier. Scotland qualified with a late equaliser and the occasion was so intense Stein collapsed and died at the end.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 8, 2016 12:45:28 GMT
Yeah it's true the top English clubs were reluctant to see their players selected for friendlies, but so were Celtic. Later with ManU Ferguson himself became famous for finding an excuse to stop his players joining the England squad. Hansen probably was a bit of a cock but I don't think the Scots were so blessed in defence to not even take someone of his calibre in the squad. Having said that, they were far better then than they are today. THe Wales v Scotland game wasn't a friendly it was a crucial World Cup qualfier. Scotland qualified with a late equaliser and the occasion was so intense Stein collapsed and died at the end. That's the Oatcake equivalent of dropping the mic right there.
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Post by ohbottom on Nov 8, 2016 16:16:43 GMT
Yeah it's true the top English clubs were reluctant to see their players selected for friendlies, but so were Celtic. Later with ManU Ferguson himself became famous for finding an excuse to stop his players joining the England squad. Hansen probably was a bit of a cock but I don't think the Scots were so blessed in defence to not even take someone of his calibre in the squad. Having said that, they were far better then than they are today. THe Wales v Scotland game wasn't a friendly it was a crucial World Cup qualfier. Scotland qualified with a late equaliser and the occasion was so intense Stein collapsed and died at the end. Yes I know What's it got to do with Hansen?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Nov 8, 2016 17:22:36 GMT
Looking at that squad. Wow we're pretty shit aren't we? And it's not like there are too many more alternatives are there? We can split hairs about certain players and it's clear that Jagielka shouldn't be anywhere near the squad but there aren't many more we could bring in to really make any kind of difference.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 17:29:26 GMT
I can see gordon strachan picking the best eleven out of that lot and thinking fuck me we,ve got a great chance of not only beating these lot but actualy derailing their world cup altogether. And then he'll all of a sudden remember he is the manager of Scotland and realise that he's in charge of an even bigger pile of shite.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 8, 2016 20:49:17 GMT
THe Wales v Scotland game wasn't a friendly it was a crucial World Cup qualfier. Scotland qualified with a late equaliser and the occasion was so intense Stein collapsed and died at the end. Yes I know What's it got to do with Hansen? They are the reasons he wasn't selected for the squad in Mexico. He had never been committed so didn't deserve a place. He didn't leave the camp preparing for a friendly he walked away from their biggest game for 4 years.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Nov 8, 2016 22:31:19 GMT
Not sure I'll ever regain my enthusiasm for the national team, maybe if they start picking players from the championship only, at least we will get a bit of effort and passion, I won't be surprised or loose any sleep if Scotland win, but someone will need to text me the result taking the Mrs to gusto for a meal a instead.
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Post by roostershair on Nov 9, 2016 11:53:42 GMT
HATE international breaks. I watched the semi-final v Bolton in the last break and I'll do the same again. I shall also watch the 6-0 drumming of Liverpool whilst sat on my settee with a bottle of brandy and slowly thumbing through my scrap book containing photos of Delia Smith.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 13:12:02 GMT
I watch Scotland all the time and watching them against Lithuania recently, with SPL players trying to break down a team about as good as a second division side in England, I just could not believe that Charlie Adam was not at least on the bench.
Under Strachan their main failing has been beating teams they are expected to beat, eg Georgia and now Lithuania. In games like that I would fancy Adam all day long to pop in a shot from the edge of the area or get an assist. I just don't get it.
Bardo - I don't get that one. Calum Patterson, a shit full back who plays for Hearts...Hearts!!! Gets in before him. Again, it is like picking an average league 1 full back ahead of a premier league full back.
Strachan has lost the plot and will be sacked after this game
Shameful isn't it mate, but it's been going on for years. Alan Hansen was one of the best defenders in Europe yet only played a handful of games for Scotland. He wasn't even in the squad for Mexico 86 Same as the brilliant partnership between Bruce & Pallister, week in and week out rock solid for Man Utd, but Bruce never got the England nod, and Pallister hardly used.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 9, 2016 14:04:54 GMT
Not sure I'll ever regain my enthusiasm for the national team, maybe if they start picking players from the championship only, at least we will get a bit of effort and passion, I won't be surprised or loose any sleep if Scotland win, but someone will need to text me the result taking the Mrs to gusto for a meal a instead. is it an established fact that only Prem players don't have effort or passion then? did our players have loads of it 9 years ago then it suddenly drained from them the day we got promoted because they were suddenly Prem players? or do you only lose passion for the game once you get above a certain financial threshold i.e. £30k a week = shitloads of passion whereas as soon as you hit £35k a week it all disappears?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 9, 2016 14:05:45 GMT
HATE international breaks. I watched the semi-final v Bolton in the last break and I'll do the same again. I shall also watch the 6-0 drumming of Liverpool whilst sat on my settee with a bottle of brandy and slowly thumbing through my scrap book containing photos of Delia Smith. did you just delete the Gerrard goal from the video of the game so it finishes 6-0?
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 9, 2016 14:18:51 GMT
Not sure I'll ever regain my enthusiasm for the national team, maybe if they start picking players from the championship only, at least we will get a bit of effort and passion, I won't be surprised or loose any sleep if Scotland win, but someone will need to text me the result taking the Mrs to gusto for a meal a instead. is it an established fact that only Prem players don't have effort or passion then? did our players have loads of it 9 years ago then it suddenly drained from them the day we got promoted because they were suddenly Prem players?or do you only lose passion for the game once you get above a certain financial threshold i.e. £30k a week = shitloads of passion whereas as soon as you hit £35k a week it all disappears? No because we had TP as manager and as he tells us, he knows best.........
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 9, 2016 14:22:46 GMT
Fucking 'passion' again, Jesus. Will we never get over our obsession with this bollocks?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Nov 9, 2016 14:54:19 GMT
Fucking 'passion' again, Jesus. Will we never get over our obsession with this bollocks? jumping up and down, shouting at people and kissing a badge wins you tournaments Rob, everyone knows that! let's ignore the fact that all these players get paid a lot specifically because they willingly and voluntarily gave up having a "normal" childhood where they could have played whatever games they wanted, ate and drank what they wanted, stayed up as late as they wanted, go wherever they wanted, played with their friends whenever they wanted etc. etc. because of their dream to play the game at a high level. they dedicated most of their young lives so far just to enable them to be in a position to represent their domestic clubs and their countries. if that's not "Passion" for the game then fuck knows what is.....but no, let's focus on the fact they get paid well and that automatically on it's own means they have no passion apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 15:39:17 GMT
Not sure I'll ever regain my enthusiasm for the national team, maybe if they start picking players from the championship only, at least we will get a bit of effort and passion, I won't be surprised or loose any sleep if Scotland win, but someone will need to text me the result taking the Mrs to gusto for a meal a instead. Correct. And whilst we're at it let's get Stuart "Psycho" Pearce in on a 5 year contract now. There's a man who shows no end of passion in the technical area, he literally kicks every ball.......
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