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Post by alster on Oct 26, 2016 21:18:58 GMT
Well how the hell do you think they are supposed to judge whether someone is capable of doing something they aren't being required to do in the environment in which they're judging them. If the game is slower paced and less frenetic and you need to do little more than jog into position are they supposed to have a method of deciding if he had to be there faster he wouldn't make it. I thought he looked a very old 23 when we signed him, maybe they should have had him carbon dated him too. They will have made their recommendations mainly on his technique and stature which is sound. Sounds like a ridiculous assesment task, like looking in a load of boxes for a tool you might need to do something at sometime in the future. Well there isn't much choice. You could ask him for a trial but at that stage of a players career you'd get told to "F**k off". Its nice if you can get them in on loan first but its rarely possible. When you're trying to sign players you hope will take you to the next level, they're not really desperate to sign for you. So you either take the plunge or you don't its a risk, the higher you aim the bigger the risk.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 27, 2016 0:57:29 GMT
The scary thing is there may be some truth in the suggestion that we bought him almost solely on the evidence of running us ragged for Porto in pre-season when most of our lads were barely fit and we treated it like a glorified training session. Has there ever been an explanation offered, as to why Porto wanted rid of him, just six months after paying big money for him? As I understood things, he was asked to play as a defensive player at Porto and was a bust because he can't tackle.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 7:19:05 GMT
this must be some sort of record.
9 pages and the actual player in thè thread title hasn't been mentioned since page 1!
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 7:24:56 GMT
this must be some sort of record. 9 pages and the actual player in thè thread title hasn't been mentioned since page 1! He's not the answer, move on.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 27, 2016 7:29:51 GMT
So all of the above can be easily summarised. A fucking horrific 18 months for the Pizza Boys. We still haven't replaced N'Zonzi, we haven't even tried to replace Whelan and we have a player (our best current player) playing in a system that still needs a number 10 but he isn't really playing number 10 whilst we have two number tens on the bench and one in the stands. Well done to everyone involved. thats about the sum of it all yeah! Unless Cartwright is actually Baldrick with a cunning plan, I dont think they expected things to turn out this way
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 27, 2016 7:30:45 GMT
Another thread stunk up by the same 2 posters who literally have nothing better to do.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 7:36:55 GMT
this must be some sort of record. 9 pages and the actual player in thè thread title hasn't been mentioned since page 1! He's not the answer, move on. I don't recall at any point during my 20 words where I said he was. but unless you are mark hughes, I'm pretty sure people can freely discuss it.
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 7:40:12 GMT
He's not the answer, move on. I don't recall at any point during my 20 words where I said he was. but unless you are mark hughes, I'm pretty sure people can freely discuss it. He's Mark Hughes not Stalin, I'm sure you'd be free to discuss it even if I was. Which I'm not.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 7:44:45 GMT
I don't recall at any point during my 20 words where I said he was. but unless you are mark hughes, I'm pretty sure people can freely discuss it. He's Mark Hughes not Stalin, I'm sure you'd be free to discuss it even if I was. Which I'm not. yep that's clear as you have simply flooded the thread with repeated opinions about what we need in central midfield that could have been summarised in 1 reply rather than 100...
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 7:52:22 GMT
He's Mark Hughes not Stalin, I'm sure you'd be free to discuss it even if I was. Which I'm not. yep that's clear as you have simply flooded the thread with repeated opinions about what we need in central midfield that could have been summarised in 1 reply rather than 100... I'll write what I want to within the rules thanks. I've flooded nothing I've exchanged opinions with other people not sat here replying to myself. Make your mind up you either agree with censorship or you don't. Or does that depend on whether its you doing the censoring?
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 7:55:05 GMT
yep that's clear as you have simply flooded the thread with repeated opinions about what we need in central midfield that could have been summarised in 1 reply rather than 100... I'll write what I want to within the rules thanks. I've flooded nothing I've exchanged opinions with other people not sat here replying to myself. Make your mind up you either agree with censorship or you don't. Or does that depend on whether its you doing the censoring? what are you talking about with censorship? I used mark hughes as an example about him being the 1 who decides to buy and play. you for some reason introduced Stalin and I am still trying to figure out why...
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 8:01:19 GMT
I'll write what I want to within the rules thanks. I've flooded nothing I've exchanged opinions with other people not sat here replying to myself. Make your mind up you either agree with censorship or you don't. Or does that depend on whether its you doing the censoring? what are you talking about with censorship? I used mark hughes as an example about him being the 1 who decides to buy and play. you for some reason introduced Stalin and I am still trying to figure out why... Because you seemed to think that if I was Mark Hughes it would suddenly be ok for me to stifle a discussion or opinion. Isn't that what we do most on here? Examine and discuss his actions as our manager. Surely if he did or said something it had to be right and beyond discussion that would be some form of dictatorship hence my reference to Stalin.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 8:10:54 GMT
what are you talking about with censorship? I used mark hughes as an example about him being the 1 who decides to buy and play. you for some reason introduced Stalin and I am still trying to figure out why... Because you seemed to think that if I was Mark Hughes it would suddenly be ok for me to stifle a discussion or opinion. Isn't that what we do most on here? Examine and discuss his actions as our manager. Surely if he did or said something it had to be right and beyond discussion that would be some form of dictatorship hence my reference to Stalin. no..why would anyone use that angle?? it was meant that he decides who plays and where... here is an on topic fact for you. (I know they seem to be foreign to you). Morgan Schneiderlin, you know, the guy this thread should be about but isn't, is actually a very good central midfielder. a position that has been used for 100 years before we started microanalysis of every 5 square metres of the pitch. he has very good attacking attributes, he chipped in with plenty of goals for southampton as well as showing a very capable defensive side to his game. he also happens to be quite athletic so can be your box to boxer if that's what you like. ultimately, glen whelan was purchased as a goal getting midfielder. was it 8 in his last season at Sheffield Wednesday? he has developed into a very useful holding midfielder but for some reason we as fans seem to think that sort of transformation is now beyond footballers and we need a born cdm! in my honest and most humble opinion, he would be an excellent acquisition. you know, Morgan Schneiderlin, who this thread should be about, but isn't.
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 8:13:11 GMT
Because you seemed to think that if I was Mark Hughes it would suddenly be ok for me to stifle a discussion or opinion. Isn't that what we do most on here? Examine and discuss his actions as our manager. Surely if he did or said something it had to be right and beyond discussion that would be some form of dictatorship hence my reference to Stalin. no..why would anyone use that angle?? it was meant that he decides who plays and where... here is an on topic fact for you. (I know they seem to be foreign to you). Morgan Schneiderlin, you know, the guy this thread should be about but isn't, is actually a very good central midfielder. a position that has been used for 100 years before we started microanalysis of every 5 square metres of the pitch. he has very good attacking attributes, he chipped in with plenty of goals for southampton as well as showing a very capable defensive side to his game. he also happens to be quite athletic so can be your box to boxer if that's what you like. ultimately, glen whelan was purchased as a goal getting midfielder. was it 8 in his last season at Sheffield Wednesday? he has developed into a very useful holding midfielder but for some reason we as fans seem to think that sort of transformation is now beyond footballers and we need a born cdm! in my honest and most humble opinion, he would be an excellent acquisition. you know, Morgan Schneiderlin, who this thread should be about, but isn't. Threads deviate it happens, get over it.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 8:14:28 GMT
no..why would anyone use that angle?? it was meant that he decides who plays and where... here is an on topic fact for you. (I know they seem to be foreign to you). Morgan Schneiderlin, you know, the guy this thread should be about but isn't, is actually a very good central midfielder. a position that has been used for 100 years before we started microanalysis of every 5 square metres of the pitch. he has very good attacking attributes, he chipped in with plenty of goals for southampton as well as showing a very capable defensive side to his game. he also happens to be quite athletic so can be your box to boxer if that's what you like. ultimately, glen whelan was purchased as a goal getting midfielder. was it 8 in his last season at Sheffield Wednesday? he has developed into a very useful holding midfielder but for some reason we as fans seem to think that sort of transformation is now beyond footballers and we need a born cdm! in my honest and most humble opinion, he would be an excellent acquisition. you know, Morgan Schneiderlin, who this thread should be about, but isn't. Threads deviate it happens, get over it. Why don't you get yourself back on the hughes out thread. it suits you more.
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Post by troj on Oct 27, 2016 8:22:16 GMT
Milan and Alster - how long you guys going to go at it? Just checking in case I need popcorn and diet coke.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 8:26:52 GMT
Milan and Alster - how long you guys going to go at it? Just checking in case I need popcorn and diet coke. it's done mate! I might gave touched a nerve with the hughes out thread! if you want to smash some coke and popcorn go and read some of the comedy there from alster, crapslinger, kustokie, ryan4england and bayern. it's hilarious!
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Post by troj on Oct 27, 2016 8:28:50 GMT
Milan and Alster - how long you guys going to go at it? Just checking in case I need popcorn and diet coke. it's done mate! I might gave touched a nerve with the hughes out thread! if you want to smash some coke and popcorn go and read some of the comedy there from alster, crapslinger, kustokie and bayern. it's hilarious! Good shout mate. I'm straight over there. Although I have to confess popcorn and coke was a thinly veiled reference to a massive portion of oatcakes, bacon and eggs. Get in. Happy Days.
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 8:30:49 GMT
Threads deviate it happens, get over it. Why don't you get yourself back on the hughes out thread. it suits you more. I take it you haven't actually read the thread through. If you had you'd realise that apart from my initial post with my own opinion on the thread subject every other post I've made has been in response to another post. There's a clue in there, I've quoted what I'm responding to. If thats ok with you? I don't give a fuck really don't take that literally. Just thought I'd explain that as you seem a bit slow on the uptake. The thread has drifted these things happen, if someone makes a point about another player I'd like to respond to do you really expect me to say "I'll respond to that on a thread about Imbula". Additionally if you'd read the thread through you'd see there are quite a few instances where I praise Hughes, though I still have some grave doubts about some aspects of his management. I'll continue to discuss them on whatever thread I like. If you need anything else explaining just ask, I'm not really doing much so I'll try to help you in any way I can.
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 8:32:53 GMT
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Post by Onneravineet on Oct 27, 2016 9:08:27 GMT
Admin...PLEASE change this title...please I trust whoever does it to choose a fitting name
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Post by Onneravineet on Oct 27, 2016 9:12:28 GMT
Which one is which?
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Post by MilanStokie on Oct 27, 2016 9:19:26 GMT
Which one is which? I'm on the right!
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 9:35:06 GMT
Which one is which? I'm on the right! Just depends whether you're choosing from our perspective or theirs. You're the one in the red coat who's so far failed to land a blow.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 27, 2016 9:36:22 GMT
Why don't you get yourself back on the hughes out thread. it suits you more. I take it you haven't actually read the thread through. If you had you'd realise that apart from my initial post with my own opinion on the thread subject every other post I've made has been in response to another post. There's a clue in there, I've quoted what I'm responding to. If thats ok with you? I don't give a fuck really don't take that literally. Just thought I'd explain that as you seem a bit slow on the uptake. The thread has drifted these things happen, if someone makes a point about another player I'd like to respond to do you really expect me to say "I'll respond to that on a thread about Imbula". Additionally if you'd read the thread through you'd see there are quite a few instances where I praise Hughes, though I still have some grave doubts about some aspects of his management. I'll continue to discuss them on whatever thread I like. If you need anything else explaining just ask, I'm not really doing much so I'll try to help you in any way I can. Why don't you just bore off, instead of choking threads up with your constant moronic back and forth's.
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 9:45:07 GMT
I take it you haven't actually read the thread through. If you had you'd realise that apart from my initial post with my own opinion on the thread subject every other post I've made has been in response to another post. There's a clue in there, I've quoted what I'm responding to. If thats ok with you? I don't give a fuck really don't take that literally. Just thought I'd explain that as you seem a bit slow on the uptake. The thread has drifted these things happen, if someone makes a point about another player I'd like to respond to do you really expect me to say "I'll respond to that on a thread about Imbula". Additionally if you'd read the thread through you'd see there are quite a few instances where I praise Hughes, though I still have some grave doubts about some aspects of his management. I'll continue to discuss them on whatever thread I like. If you need anything else explaining just ask, I'm not really doing much so I'll try to help you in any way I can. Why don't you just bore off, instead of choking threads up with your constant moronic back and forth's. Please do explain the purpose of the oatcake message board if its not for exchanging and debating opinions. Perhaps you should try it instead of being abusive. Maybe you don't have opinions, not literate enough to express them I don't know I'll let you decide. Too difficult ask your Mum.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 27, 2016 9:50:16 GMT
Why don't you just bore off, instead of choking threads up with your constant moronic back and forth's. Please do explain the purpose of the oatcake message board if its not for exchanging and debating opinions. Perhaps you should try it instead of being abusive. Maybe you don't have opinions, not literate enough to express them I don't know I'll let you decide. Too difficult ask your Mum. I could go back and forth with you all day, on any level you like, if I had time. Yes indeed the message board is for exchanging opinions and even debate, however (and I am not the first to say this to you) You seem to enjoy trying to stink threads up with constant crap. Do you not have a job to do, or even a hobby other than the Oatcake. Since you are so keen on me expressing my opinions, here is one on you. You are an attention seeking little man.
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 10:05:31 GMT
Please do explain the purpose of the oatcake message board if its not for exchanging and debating opinions. Perhaps you should try it instead of being abusive. Maybe you don't have opinions, not literate enough to express them I don't know I'll let you decide. Too difficult ask your Mum. I could go back and forth with you all day, on any level you like, if I had time. Yes indeed the message board is for exchanging opinions and even debate, however (and I am not the first to say this to you) You seem to enjoy trying to stink threads up with constant crap. Do you not have a job to do, or even a hobby other than the Oatcake. Since you are so keen on me expressing my opinions, here is one on you. You are an attention seeking little man. I'm retired at 49 and run a small petsitting business as a side line, I'm completely self sufficient and don't take any benefits even though its possible I could qualify for them. I have a lot of time minding other peoples dogs, so whilst supervising them I spend many hours on the oatcake. I try to exchange views with other fans in a friendly manner even if we disagree. If you think I post crap feel free to debate whatever I've written or alternatively ignore it, if you think I'm breaking the rules report me to admin. You are not admin, you are not the message board police so stop trying to dictate how people use the site.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 27, 2016 10:13:16 GMT
I could go back and forth with you all day, on any level you like, if I had time. Yes indeed the message board is for exchanging opinions and even debate, however (and I am not the first to say this to you) You seem to enjoy trying to stink threads up with constant crap. Do you not have a job to do, or even a hobby other than the Oatcake. Since you are so keen on me expressing my opinions, here is one on you. You are an attention seeking little man. I'm retired at 49 and run a small petsitting business as a side line, I'm completely self sufficient and don't take any benefits even though its possible I could qualify for them. I have a lot of time minding other peoples dogs, so whilst supervising them I spend many hours on the oatcake. I try to exchange views with other fans in a friendly manner even if we disagree. If you think I post crap feel free to debate whatever I've written or alternatively ignore it, if you think I'm breaking the rules report me to admin. You are not admin, you are not the message board police so stop trying to dictate how people use the site. I didn't say you were on any kind of benefits, congratulations on early retirement and being self sufficient, knowing that now makes things fall into place a bit regarding your posts, clearly you are bored. I don't disagree that you debate in a friendly manner, but I do think you are very passive aggressive and you flood threads. It isn't against any rules that I know of, and even if it were, reporting you to Admin isn't my style. I am not admin or message board police, as you say, but I like you do have an opinion on here and will continue to share it, especially when you insist on writing drivel.
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Post by alster on Oct 27, 2016 10:24:30 GMT
I'm retired at 49 and run a small petsitting business as a side line, I'm completely self sufficient and don't take any benefits even though its possible I could qualify for them. I have a lot of time minding other peoples dogs, so whilst supervising them I spend many hours on the oatcake. I try to exchange views with other fans in a friendly manner even if we disagree. If you think I post crap feel free to debate whatever I've written or alternatively ignore it, if you think I'm breaking the rules report me to admin. You are not admin, you are not the message board police so stop trying to dictate how people use the site. I didn't say you were on any kind of benefits, congratulations on early retirement and being self sufficient, knowing that now makes things fall into place a bit regarding your posts, clearly you are bored. I don't disagree that you debate in a friendly manner, but I do think you are very passive aggressive and you flood threads. It isn't against any rules that I know of, and even if it were, reporting you to Admin isn't my style. I am not admin or message board police, as you say, but I like you do have an opinion on here and will continue to share it, especially when you insist on writing drivel. You'll note at least one poster has liked each of my posts in this current exchange between us, thats possibly because I'm trying to be reasonable whilst you're attempting to be a bit of a bully(you're not very good at it mind). I have no problem with anyone's opinion, even yours. I can't help you with the drivel as you seem to be keeping it to yourself as to with which points you beg to differ.
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