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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 7:00:50 GMT
Sobhi was a breath of fresh air against Hull. He has real pace and can get to the bye line and cross. Hughes must play him at Man U if he is fit. He could give Bony or Crouch the service they need
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2016 9:06:18 GMT
Having an inexperienced 19 year old on the bench instead of Crouch...... Like I said on Team thread on Saturday, If he was injured why wasn't Verlinden named on subs bench. Going into a game with no recognisable replacement for the wings is very poor management. I'm with Bayern on this, it's not like they haven't pulled the injury/sickness ploy before, Bardsley and Wolly in very recent weeks. Forgot about Wolly (I genuinely did) but we did indeed. He inner ere....
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Sept 26, 2016 9:08:30 GMT
Where was Walters ? injured as well ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2016 9:08:34 GMT
Having an inexperienced 19 year old on the bench instead of Crouch...... Didn't seem to worry him having Sobhi on the bench (and bringing him on) at Everton. I think you often see what suits your agenda, Bayern. Agenda my backside. The bloke is scared of his own shadow at the moment and has a shocking record when it comes to giving young players a chance. His comments after the Hull game were pretty bad and he knew he'd get a reaction. A reaction that isn't needed.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 26, 2016 9:11:26 GMT
Didn't seem to worry him having Sobhi on the bench (and bringing him on) at Everton. I think you often see what suits your agenda, Bayern. Agenda my backside. The bloke is scared of his own shadow at the moment and has a shocking record when it comes to giving young players a chance. His comments after the Hull game were pretty bad and he knew he'd get a reaction. A reaction that isn't needed. I see you dodged the point about the Everton game. You are learning, Grasshopper!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 26, 2016 9:17:21 GMT
Sobhi was a breath of fresh air against Hull. He has real pace and can get to the bye line and cross. Hughes must play him at Man U if he is fit. He could give Bony or Crouch the service they need Crouchy should be moved to a coaching role. Great guy but way too slow for the PL Pecking order should be Bony Diouf NGoy Crouch Walters
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 26, 2016 9:21:53 GMT
Sobhi was a breath of fresh air against Hull. He has real pace and can get to the bye line and cross. Hughes must play him at Man U if he is fit. He could give Bony or Crouch the service they need Crouchy should be moved to a coaching role. Great guy but way too slow for the PL Pecking order should be Bony Diouf NGoy Crouch Walters I'd put Bojan between Diouf and Ngoy or at least above Crouch
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Post by lordb on Sept 26, 2016 9:43:27 GMT
So let's get this straight.
Hughes had no intention to even pick Sobhi for the bench even but made him have a fitness test anyway just so he could fail it just so he didn't have to say he'd dropped him?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 26, 2016 9:54:27 GMT
So let's get this straight. Hughes had no intention to even pick Sobhi for the bench even but made him have a fitness test anyway just so he could fail it just so he didn't have to say he'd dropped him? It is possible Bayern could be wrong about this, of course. But the little scamp thinks he is infallible so what can you do? Kids today, they do my head in!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 9:57:18 GMT
So let's get this straight. Hughes had no intention to even pick Sobhi for the bench even but made him have a fitness test anyway just so he could fail it just so he didn't have to say he'd dropped him? Correct. Try finding that conversation in your English/Egyptian phrase book as well what a bastard......
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Post by metalhead on Sept 26, 2016 10:01:32 GMT
I thought Shaqiri played well on Saturday. My worry is that we've rushed him back, but if Sobhi is fit he should either be on the bench or start. Him and Shaq are two seriously talented players.
Jon, you can peel the spuds mate.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 26, 2016 10:21:24 GMT
Hughes does seem a little obsessed with experience, granted you need a balance but we have an ageing squad with a dire need of a young spruce up
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2016 10:37:26 GMT
Agenda my backside. The bloke is scared of his own shadow at the moment and has a shocking record when it comes to giving young players a chance. His comments after the Hull game were pretty bad and he knew he'd get a reaction. A reaction that isn't needed. I see you dodged the point about the Everton game. You are learning, Grasshopper! Haha, I'm guessing we had no other alternatives? And I still think he's been underused considering how good his cameos have been. Not to have him on the bench vs Palace was stupid, not to bring him on vs Spurs was stupid. He needs to play.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2016 10:38:14 GMT
So let's get this straight. Hughes had no intention to even pick Sobhi for the bench even but made him have a fitness test anyway just so he could fail it just so he didn't have to say he'd dropped him? It was reported he had a fitness test vs Palace too.....he never did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 10:40:08 GMT
I see you dodged the point about the Everton game. You are learning, Grasshopper! Haha, I'm guessing we had no other alternatives? And I still think he's been underused considering how good his cameos have been. Not to have him on the bench vs Palace was stupid, not to bring him on vs Spurs was stupid. He needs to play. There you go again guessing......
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 26, 2016 11:08:31 GMT
I see you dodged the point about the Everton game. You are learning, Grasshopper! Haha, I'm guessing we had no other alternatives? And I still think he's been underused considering how good his cameos have been. Not to have him on the bench vs Palace was stupid, not to bring him on vs Spurs was stupid. He needs to play. I suspect (although I don't know this to be the case) that Sobhi is being put on light duties initially to avoid burn out later in the season. His Egyptian season started in November last year and he's been playing or training ever since apart from a 3 week period whilst his paperwork was being sorted. He won't get a close season until next summer and before then he'll also be playing in the International breaks and the ACON next February. He's actually got a worse schedule than Cameron had because Cameron only joined half way through his season - not at the end of it like Sobhi. And, if you remember, Cameron was shagged before the end of his first season with us. So, I expected light duties for a while including more sub appearances than starts and no instances of 2 starts in a week this season. If he failed a fitness test on Saturday, I'm not surprised - I suspect it had a tougher "pass mark" than it would have had if he had been given a proper summer break like the other players.
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Post by lordb on Sept 26, 2016 11:40:43 GMT
So let's get this straight. Hughes had no intention to even pick Sobhi for the bench even but made him have a fitness test anyway just so he could fail it just so he didn't have to say he'd dropped him? It was reported he had a fitness test vs Palace too.....he never did. how do you know? as for the fitness test - that's fitness test not 'fitness test' - that he had on Saturday we have a witness on this thread who saw him take one. please supply your evidence that he didn't take on (because your conspiracy argument only really stands up if he didn't take one) or concede that you made a complete fool of yourself.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2016 13:15:00 GMT
It was reported he had a fitness test vs Palace too.....he never did. how do you know? as for the fitness test - that's fitness test not 'fitness test' - that he had on Saturday we have a witness on this thread who saw him take one. please supply your evidence that he didn't take on (because your conspiracy argument only really stands up if he didn't take one) or concede that you made a complete fool of yourself. He was fit for the Palace game. I never said about this, it is a conspiracy theory! We've had 2 cases of them making injuries in the past 3 weeks, I believe this is another.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2016 13:16:30 GMT
Haha, I'm guessing we had no other alternatives? And I still think he's been underused considering how good his cameos have been. Not to have him on the bench vs Palace was stupid, not to bring him on vs Spurs was stupid. He needs to play. I suspect (although I don't know this to be the case) that Sobhi is being put on light duties initially to avoid burn out later in the season. His Egyptian season started in November last year and he's been playing or training ever since apart from a 3 week period whilst his paperwork was being sorted. He won't get a close season until next summer and before then he'll also be playing in the International breaks and the ACON next February. He's actually got a worse schedule than Cameron had because Cameron only joined half way through his season - not at the end of it like Sobhi. And, if you remember, Cameron was shagged before the end of his first season with us. So, I expected light duties for a while including more sub appearances than starts and no instances of 2 starts in a week this season. If he failed a fitness test on Saturday, I'm not surprised - I suspect it had a tougher "pass mark" than it would have had if he had been given a proper summer break like the other players. I get that but we kind of need him now. We're impotent going forward and at the minute he's been the attacker that for me has shown the most this season so far. There's plenty of time for rest down the line.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 26, 2016 14:39:49 GMT
I suspect (although I don't know this to be the case) that Sobhi is being put on light duties initially to avoid burn out later in the season. His Egyptian season started in November last year and he's been playing or training ever since apart from a 3 week period whilst his paperwork was being sorted. He won't get a close season until next summer and before then he'll also be playing in the International breaks and the ACON next February. He's actually got a worse schedule than Cameron had because Cameron only joined half way through his season - not at the end of it like Sobhi. And, if you remember, Cameron was shagged before the end of his first season with us. So, I expected light duties for a while including more sub appearances than starts and no instances of 2 starts in a week this season. If he failed a fitness test on Saturday, I'm not surprised - I suspect it had a tougher "pass mark" than it would have had if he had been given a proper summer break like the other players. I get that but we kind of need him now. We're impotent going forward and at the minute he's been the attacker that for me has shown the most this season so far. There's plenty of time for rest down the line. Given his age we have an extra duty of care towards him which should take precedence over our immediate needs as a club. And if Hughes and the club medical staff feel he needs to be brought along gently, that's good enough for me. However, its all about opinions and I'm sure Jose Mourinho would agree with you rather than me - at least he would if his recent history with the medical profession is anything to go by.
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Post by sportsman on Sept 26, 2016 14:51:47 GMT
how do you know? as for the fitness test - that's fitness test not 'fitness test' - that he had on Saturday we have a witness on this thread who saw him take one. please supply your evidence that he didn't take on (because your conspiracy argument only really stands up if he didn't take one) or concede that you made a complete fool of yourself. He was fit for the Palace game. I never said about this, it is a conspiracy theory! We've had 2 cases of them making injuries in the past 3 weeks, I believe this is another. Didn't radio stoke post video of fitness test at palace as well?
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Post by baystokie on Sept 26, 2016 14:58:20 GMT
I get that but we kind of need him now. We're impotent going forward and at the minute he's been the attacker that for me has shown the most this season so far. There's plenty of time for rest down the line. Given his age we have an extra duty of care towards him which should take precedence over our immediate needs as a club. And if Hughes and the club medical staff feel he needs to be brought along gently, that's good enough for me. However, its all about opinions and I'm sure Jose Mourinho would agree with you rather than me - at least he would if his recent history with the medical profession is anything to go by. So, apart from a couple of items of reasoned opinion, we have managed three pages of conjecture, based on a total lack of anyone KNOWING what is actually happening - par for the course methinks!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 26, 2016 15:26:59 GMT
Given his age we have an extra duty of care towards him which should take precedence over our immediate needs as a club. And if Hughes and the club medical staff feel he needs to be brought along gently, that's good enough for me. However, its all about opinions and I'm sure Jose Mourinho would agree with you rather than me - at least he would if his recent history with the medical profession is anything to go by. So, apart from a couple of items of reasoned opinion, we have managed three pages of conjecture, based on a total lack of anyone KNOWING what is actually happening - par for the course methinks! Well if you believe the manager then Ramadan had (and failed) a fitness test before the game on Saturday. Difficult to prove one way or the other. I'm prepared to accept our manager's word that Ramadan failed a test but I can't PROVE it. To be fair there are very few things that come out of a football club that you can PROVE. Some of us accept such things unless we can see good reason not to.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 26, 2016 15:29:20 GMT
He was fit for the Palace game. I never said about this, it is a conspiracy theory! :) We've had 2 cases of them making injuries in the past 3 weeks, I believe this is another. Didn't radio stoke post video of fitness test at palace as well? I saw him in the background before the game, on the pitch at Palace in training gear, when the stream I had on cut to the ground for a report from (presumably) one of the commentators. Doesn't necessarily mean he'd had/was having a fitness test but...
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Sept 26, 2016 15:30:13 GMT
Where was Walters ? injured as well ? someone forgot to say "Stop running" in training and he was last spotted somewhere near Newcastle i believe
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 26, 2016 17:20:55 GMT
So he's starting tonight for the 23s.
Injury my arse.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 26, 2016 17:23:52 GMT
So he's starting tonight for the 23s. Injury my arse. I find it unbelievable then he wasn't on the bench Saturday then🤔I was told at the ground Saturday that Walters and Muniesa were having fitness tests but no mention of Sohbi
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 26, 2016 17:29:18 GMT
My biggest worry is if Shaqiri picks up a knock and has to come off. There is literally nobody on the bench who can play on the wing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 17:31:54 GMT
So he's starting tonight for the 23s. Injury my arse. Had a good game vs Hull. That's his fill til Xmas See: Joselu.
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Post by liathroid on Sept 26, 2016 17:35:21 GMT
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