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Post by philb on Sept 19, 2016 10:48:30 GMT
I honestly think that whoever plays won't make a difference. We are a disorganised shambles and players don't seem to know what their roles are. I honestly thought after last week's debacle, Hughes would have worked on the training ground this week and prepared a side that was organised and difficult to break down. Hughes can chop and change from week to week as he is doing but nothing will change until he gets the team organised so players understand their role in the team. The last two weeks we have been a complete and utter shambles and it goes far deeper than team selection unfortunately SPOT ON
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Post by philb on Sept 19, 2016 10:51:13 GMT
All these people saying they'd start Grant instead of Given, what's that all about?
How many of you have actually seen enough of Grant playing, to make you think he'd be a sure fire better bet than Given?
It's this crazy logic of ... 'he must be better than Given, until I've actually seen that he isn't.'
Using the same logic ... if you all had not ever seen Haugaard play, then you'd all want him in the team now. If Grants that bad a keeper why did we sign him? Surely a club of our stature could have got a good keeper as back up and possible No1 for a couple of months. Ineptitude from the management again?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 10:56:16 GMT
The manager needs to pick his back 5 (4 defenders and defensive midfielder) and stick to it.
If there are any questions over mid to long term injuries then they get left out and replaced in January.
We need a settled back 5 from now on. Moving players all over the show and trying to find the new formula every week is not helping one bit.
Butland coming back behind them will only strengthen the bond even more once they are settled.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 11:00:56 GMT
All these people saying they'd start Grant instead of Given, what's that all about?
How many of you have actually seen enough of Grant playing, to make you think he'd be a sure fire better bet than Given?
It's this crazy logic of ... 'he must be better than Given, until I've actually seen that he isn't.'
Using the same logic ... if you all had not ever seen Haugaard play, then you'd all want him in the team now. If Grants that bad a keeper why did we sign him? Surely a club of our stature could have got a good keeper as back up and possible No1 for a couple of months. Ineptitude from the management again? Because he was seen as being slightly better than Haugaard as an emergency THIRD keeper. Go and ask some Derby fans what they think of him. It'd be like supporters of another Prem club calling for Haugaard to start at THEIR team, simply because none of them had seen him play.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2016 11:03:13 GMT
What side would you go with. For me changes need to be made with the key being the dropping of Given, Walters, Whelan and Cameron. For me I'd go with Grant - Given will be massively found out at set pieces. Bardsley - solid and plays like he cares. Ryan Bruno - better in the middle Johnson - did ok today can play both sides Adam - gives us more attacking options. Allen - poor today but still a good player. Arni - no brainer Bojan - needs games. Class is permanent. Sobhi - we need a proper winger. Bony - needs more service but poor today. I'd go with that but out Bards on the left and keep Johnson in his best position. It won't look owt like that though you suspect.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 19, 2016 11:04:17 GMT
All these people saying they'd start Grant instead of Given, what's that all about?
How many of you have actually seen enough of Grant playing, to make you think he'd be a sure fire better bet than Given?
It's this crazy logic of ... 'he must be better than Given, until I've actually seen that he isn't.'
Using the same logic ... if you all had not ever seen Haugaard play, then you'd all want him in the team now. You're right, Paul. My thinking is just to take him out of the firing line and give someone else a chance.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Sept 19, 2016 11:05:18 GMT
Given
Johnson shawcross indi pieters
Adam Whelan Allen
Diouf Arnie
bony.
Given, pieters, Whelan either not good enough or just out of form but we have little realistic options in the squad to replace these. Diouf not the best but he has what no one else in our squad has - pace cam and muni have been tried before but are not good enough.
The manager has not put a strong squad together. We have very little better options for many positions.
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Post by philb on Sept 19, 2016 11:07:47 GMT
If Grants that bad a keeper why did we sign him? Surely a club of our stature could have got a good keeper as back up and possible No1 for a couple of months. Ineptitude from the management again? Because he was seen as being slightly better than Haugaard as an emergency THIRD keeper. Go and ask some Derby fans what they think of him. It be like supporters calling for Haugaard to start at THEIR team, simply because none of them had seen him play. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he should start, but we knew Butland would be out for a couple of months didn't we so getting a THIRD choice keeper was poor management wasn't it. We needed competition for Given not a keeper slightly better than Haugaard. God I remember when we had 3 good keepers on the books Begovic, Butland and Sorensen.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 11:10:18 GMT
Because he was seen as being slightly better than Haugaard as an emergency THIRD keeper. Go and ask some Derby fans what they think of him. It be like supporters calling for Haugaard to start at THEIR team, simply because none of them had seen him play. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he should start, but we knew Butland would be out for a couple of months didn't we so getting a THIRD choice keeper was poor management wasn't it. We needed competition for Given not a keeper slightly better than Haugaard. God I remember when we had 3 good keepers on the books Begovic, Butland and Sorensen. Oh absolutely mate and we have no idea how long Jack will take to regain full form and fitness either.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 11:13:11 GMT
All these people saying they'd start Grant instead of Given, what's that all about?
How many of you have actually seen enough of Grant playing, to make you think he'd be a sure fire better bet than Given?
It's this crazy logic of ... 'he must be better than Given, until I've actually seen that he isn't.'
Using the same logic ... if you all had not ever seen Haugaard play, then you'd all want him in the team now. You're right, Paul. My thinking is just to take him out of the firing line and give someone else a chance. I also think starting Adam in a game like this is taking one helluva unnecessary gamble. Start him and we'll be playing straight into TP's hands, he'd love it, absolutely love it if he sees Adam on the team sheet and will send those fookers out to specifically target him with their wind up tactics.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 19, 2016 11:16:23 GMT
What side would you go with. For me changes need to be made with the key being the dropping of Given, Walters, Whelan and Cameron. For me I'd go with Grant - Given will be massively found out at set pieces. Bardsley - solid and plays like he cares. Ryan Bruno - better in the middle Johnson - did ok today can play both sides Adam - gives us more attacking options. Allen - poor today but still a good player. Arni - no brainer Bojan - needs games. Class is permanent. Sobhi - we need a proper winger. Bony - needs more service but poor today. Your choice but with Given in goal and Diouf not Bojan. You think Given deserves his place?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 11:18:49 GMT
Your choice but with Given in goal and Diouf not Bojan. You think Given deserves his place? No he doesn't but we don't have anybody better.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 19, 2016 11:26:14 GMT
If Grants that bad a keeper why did we sign him? Surely a club of our stature could have got a good keeper as back up and possible No1 for a couple of months. Ineptitude from the management again? Because he was seen as being slightly better than Haugaard as an emergency THIRD keeper. Go and ask some Derby fans what they think of him. It be like supporters of another Prem club calling for Haugaard to start at THEIR team, simply because none of them had seen him play. Would that be similar to other fans asking our lot about Wolly or asking March for his educated insight on Allen etc. But I do agree we should stick with Given at this stage.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Sept 19, 2016 11:38:48 GMT
Your choice but with Given in goal and Diouf not Bojan. You think Given deserves his place? Webby I think he's the best we've got. Having said that maybe Grant can't be any worse??
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Post by malisastokie on Sept 19, 2016 11:43:57 GMT
Given. Johnson, Shawcross, Indi, Peters. Allen. Adam, Imbula, Arni. Diouf, Bonny
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 11:45:34 GMT
Because he was seen as being slightly better than Haugaard as an emergency THIRD keeper. Go and ask some Derby fans what they think of him. It be like supporters of another Prem club calling for Haugaard to start at THEIR team, simply because none of them had seen him play. Would that be similar to other fans asking our lot about Wolly or asking March for his educated insight on Allen etc. But I do agree we should stick with Given at this stage.
No it would be similar to other fans asking our lot about Haugaard ...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2016 11:46:11 GMT
Given
Johnson Shawcross Indi Pieters
Whelan Imbula
Diouf Bojan Arnie
Bony
Best team we have.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 19, 2016 13:35:46 GMT
You think Given deserves his place? No he doesn't but we don't have anybody better. Why would we not give Grant a go? Can he be any worse than Shay has been? We signed him we should play him when needed
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 13:40:28 GMT
No he doesn't but we don't have anybody better. Why would we not give Grant a go? Can he be any worse than Shay has been? We signed him we should play him when needed
Of course he can be any worse, you're only advocating starting him because you haven't seen him play.
If you hadn't seen Haugaard play, then you'd be saying that he couldn't be any worse than Given and we should play him instead, wouldn't you?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 19, 2016 13:50:56 GMT
More changes for me I'm afraid;
Grant Bardsley, Ryan, indi, Johnson Adam, Allen Shaq, diouf, Arnie Bony
4-4-1-1 or however you want to dress it up in terms of formation.
If Shaq is injured, play sobhi or move diouf wide, granting bojan a 1 week stay of execution.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 19, 2016 14:02:52 GMT
Grant Johnson Ryan Indi Muni Allen Adam Sobhi Bojan Arnie Bony
What i think it will be: Given Johnson Shawcross Indi Pieters Allen Whelan Diouf Bojan Arnie Bony
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 19, 2016 14:04:54 GMT
Bachmann
Johnson Shawcross Martins Indi Muniesa
Whelan (there is no one else) Imbula
Sobhi Allen Arnie
Bony
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 19, 2016 14:10:41 GMT
Why would we not give Grant a go? Can he be any worse than Shay has been? We signed him we should play him when needed
Of course he can be any worse, you're only advocating starting him because you haven't seen him play.
If you hadn't seen Haugaard play, then you'd be saying that he couldn't be any worse than Given and we should play him instead, wouldn't you?
Why would we sign him if he wasn't good enough / had no intention whatsoever of playing him when needed? I may not have seen him play but surely somebody at the club has? If not its another mess up on the transfer front...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 14:16:40 GMT
Of course he can be any worse, you're only advocating starting him because you haven't seen him play.
If you hadn't seen Haugaard play, then you'd be saying that he couldn't be any worse than Given and we should play him instead, wouldn't you?
Why would we sign him if he wasn't good enough / had no intention whatsoever of playing him when needed? I may not have seen him play but surely somebody at the club has? If not its another mess up on the transfer front...
Why sign Haugaard?
Grant wasn't brought here to challenge Given for his place, he was brought here on loan in case we need an emergency third keeper who is a bit better than Haugaard.
He'd be 'needed' in an emergency if Given was injured.
It's not that often that Prem teams need to call on their third choice keeper though.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 19, 2016 14:35:20 GMT
Given Johnson Shawcross Indi Pieters Whelan Imbula Diouf Bojan Arnie Bony Best team we have. What without Joe Allen😮He's the only shining light
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 19, 2016 14:42:09 GMT
Why would we sign him if he wasn't good enough / had no intention whatsoever of playing him when needed? I may not have seen him play but surely somebody at the club has? If not its another mess up on the transfer front...
Why sign Haugaard?
Grant wasn't brought here to challenge Given for his place, he was brought here on loan in case we need an emergency third keeper who is a bit better than Haugaard.
He'd be 'needed' in an emergency if Given was injured.
It's not that often that Prem teams need to call on their third choice keeper though.
He is needed, we currently have a keeper who has conceded 4 goals in 3 of our first 5 games
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 19, 2016 14:58:30 GMT
Because I know for an absolute fact Hughes won't start with 2 strikers playing together I hope if Shaqiri is fit he'd go with this..
Grant
Johnson Shawcross Indi Muni
Imbula Allen
Diouf Shaqiri Arnie
Bony
.. Unfortunately for me though he will play Whelan.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 19, 2016 15:04:46 GMT
Why sign Haugaard?
Grant wasn't brought here to challenge Given for his place, he was brought here on loan in case we need an emergency third keeper who is a bit better than Haugaard.
He'd be 'needed' in an emergency if Given was injured.
It's not that often that Prem teams need to call on their third choice keeper though.
He is needed, we currently have a keeper who has conceded 4 goals in 3 of our first 5 games
So what makes you think that Grant would have done better than Given in those games?
You've got absolutely nothing to base it on.
Do you think Haugaard would have done better than Given in those games?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 19, 2016 15:13:33 GMT
Given Johnson Shawcross Indi Pieters Whelan Imbula Diouf Bojan Arnie Bony Best team we have. What without Joe Allen😮He's the only shining light He's been awful in the last two games.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 19, 2016 15:15:01 GMT
Grant needs to play in the cup so we can see what he looks like. If he is a bigger presence than Shay, confident in commanding his box and good on crosses, then he is worth considering to face Pulisball at the weekend.
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