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Post by Davef on Sept 11, 2016 0:00:49 GMT
18M when we already have a better player in Charlie Adam is really ridiculous! Charlie Adam is totally unprofessional. Look at the state of him when he came on today. He was blowing out of his arse after 5 minutes against a team 4-0 up and not really trying. I've been a massive Charlie Adam fan since he came to Stoke but I lost my patience with him today. On social media and his radio/TV appearances, he comes across as a real pro who understands the game but on the evidence of his cameo today it's pretty clear that he has little idea of how to keep himself in the kind of shape it takes to make an impact at this this level. Really disappointing.
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 11, 2016 0:01:07 GMT
Regarding the defensive side, surely it depends where he's meant to be playing? Is he in a midfield 3, or as a number 10? The whole midfield seem clueless.
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Post by darksideofthemoon on Sept 11, 2016 0:07:02 GMT
I thought he had a decent first half with some of his trademark surging runs and holding players off the ball with his strength. However, when subbed his face was showed everything in a player that is not enjoying his time at a club and didn't want to be there. Worrying? Or have I misread the signals? It was basically a "Fuck this shit" expression. I still believe we've got a bloody good player in Imbula to be honest; and I thought I saw the "F*ck this shit" expression from Arnie a couple of times during the game, too....which is NOT unusual, I'm afraid
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 11, 2016 0:10:05 GMT
First goal was piss poor defending from Allen. Yes, he covered a lot of ground to track Ericson. Pieters compounded it by spectating and chatting with Bruno, and then getting stranded in no man's land. We were the better team up to that point. A massive game changing lapse. Imbula was quality first half avoided the things I've been critical of, and some brill distribution. Shame it all fell apart second half. That's it.....forget Imbula, it was "PEITERS" fault.....good job Wollscheid wasn't on!!!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 11, 2016 0:16:05 GMT
18M when we already have a better player in Charlie Adam is really ridiculous! Charlie Adam is totally unprofessional. Look at the state of him when he came on today. He was blowing out of his arse after 5 minutes against a team 4-0 up and not really trying. If that's the case then pug's, fuckin questions have to be asked about the fitness training??? Surely as a profession that relies on fitness, this has to be a must, not just for Charlie, but for the rest of the squad???
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Post by Davef on Sept 11, 2016 0:20:00 GMT
Charlie Adam is totally unprofessional. Look at the state of him when he came on today. He was blowing out of his arse after 5 minutes against a team 4-0 up and not really trying. If that's the case then pug's, fuckin questions have to be asked about the fitness training??? Surely as a profession that relies on fitness, this has to be a must, not just for Charlie, but for the rest of the squad??? You can't really question the the club's entire fitness regime if one individual isn't taking responsibility for his own personal well-being.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2016 0:21:08 GMT
But he's always been a fat knacker?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 11, 2016 0:23:39 GMT
If that's the case then pug's, fuckin questions have to be asked about the fitness training??? Surely as a profession that relies on fitness, this has to be a must, not just for Charlie, but for the rest of the squad??? You can't really question the the club's entire fitness regime if one individual isn't taking responsibility for his own personal well-being. Maybe so dave, but at this level....a level that is viewed by the whole world, you'd think if a player wasn't fit enough the manager wouldn't let him anywhere near the team until he improved on his fitness???
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 11, 2016 0:24:38 GMT
Yes, he covered a lot of ground to track Ericson. Pieters compounded it by spectating and chatting with Bruno, and then getting stranded in no man's land. We were the better team up to that point. A massive game changing lapse. Imbula was quality first half avoided the things I've been critical of, and some brill distribution. Shame it all fell apart second half. That's it.....forget Imbula, it was "PEITERS" fault.....good job Wollscheid wasn't on!!! I'm not interested in wscape goats. Just what I saw, and confirmed by watching the first half again {couldn't face watching the second half again}. It was a collective fuck up. Ericson exploited the gap behind our left full back, Allen tracked him, but he skipped around Allen and Pieters watched, did nowt to cut down the angle or cover a man. It was an easy pass to a man in plenty of space.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Sept 11, 2016 0:27:29 GMT
I'm a massive fan of his talent and ability to cruise past players in the middle of the park. However I absolutely shake my head at his laziness, poor defensive play and positioning and his general attitude and demeanour. Always one of the first to drop his head and flap his hands around blaming others for his mistakes.
Great talent but I fear his heart just isn't in it and he'll never come good here.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 11, 2016 0:28:06 GMT
That's it.....forget Imbula, it was "PEITERS" fault.....good job Wollscheid wasn't on!!! I'm not interested in wscape goats. Just what I saw, and confirmed by watching the first half again {couldn't face watching the second half again}. It was a collective fuck up. Ericson exploited the gap behind our left full back, Allen tracked him, but he skipped around Allen and Pieters watched, did nowt to cut down the angle or cover a man. It was an easy pass to a man in plenty of space. Okay.....fair point, what was Imbula doing though???
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 11, 2016 0:39:22 GMT
I'm not interested in wscape goats. Just what I saw, and confirmed by watching the first half again {couldn't face watching the second half again}. It was a collective fuck up. Ericson exploited the gap behind our left full back, Allen tracked him, but he skipped around Allen and Pieters watched, did nowt to cut down the angle or cover a man. It was an easy pass to a man in plenty of space. Okay.....fair point, what was Imbula doing though??? Fuck knows mate, not sure he had much of a part in it, and I'm not watching it again. I was responding to the specific point about Allen's part in it, {on a thread about Imbula.} Allen and Pieters should/could have snuffed it out imo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2016 0:42:37 GMT
Okay.....fair point, what was Imbula doing though??? Fuck knows mate, not sure he had much of a part in it, and I'm not watching it again. I was responding to the specific point about Allen's part in it, {on a thread about Imbula.} Allen and Pieters should/could have snuffed it out imo. They all should! And Whelan, where the fuck was he? I haven't watched it back like you but the midfield were totally AWOL, Pieters was AWOL. Bastards.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 11, 2016 1:05:43 GMT
Yes of course, and Imbula was great today as well! For God's sake open your eyes! Where have I said he was great? No, you haven't, but you certainly indicate Charlie was much worse! I just ask if he really was? I can see Imbula has got a lot of talent, but is he as effective as Charlie? Give Charlie 3 games and I bet he will contribute more, both going forward and protecting the defence!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 11, 2016 1:16:10 GMT
Fuck knows mate, not sure he had much of a part in it, and I'm not watching it again. I was responding to the specific point about Allen's part in it, {on a thread about Imbula.} Allen and Pieters should/could have snuffed it out imo. They all should! And Whelan, where the fuck was he? I haven't watched it back like you but the midfield were totally AWOL, Pieters was AWOL. Bastards. At half time I was told that Spurs had 68% possession fost half, I couldn't believe it, despite the second half poor show I was convinced we were good first half so wanted to rewatch on telly. You get a different perspective, better detail. We were very good first half though largely carrying SJW. The midfield was functioning pretty well Whelan got caught napping by Ali, but even Glenn had a cracking strike headed over. The standout feature for me was that after the disallowed goal not one thing Arnie tried came off. Nothing he attempted worked, frustrating for him no doubt too. Pretty sure their goal came after the breakdown of play when Arnie's head fell off over that daft dive thing. We were caught napping, collectively and sucker punched. As I said Joe and Erik were first on scene and could have done better. I might watch second half tomorrow, love to understand how it all unravelled so badly.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 11, 2016 1:18:09 GMT
They all should! And Whelan, where the fuck was he? I haven't watched it back like you but the midfield were totally AWOL, Pieters was AWOL. Bastards. At half time I was told that Spurs had 68% possession fost half, I couldn't believe it, despite the second half poor show I was convinced we were good first half so wanted to rewatch on telly. You get a different perspective, better detail. We were very good first half though largely carrying SJW. The midfield was functioning pretty well Whelan got caught napping by Ali, but even Glenn had a cracking strike headed over. The standout feature for me was that after the disallowed goal not one thing Arnie tried came off. Nothing he attempted worked, frustrating for him no doubt too. Pretty sure their goal came after the breakdown of play when Arnie's head fell off over that daft dive thing. We were caught napping, collectively and sucker punched. As I said Joe and Erik were first on scene and could have done better. I might watch second half tomorrow, love to understand how it all unravelled so badly. I thought we were ok in the first half but had the same old problem. We created absolutely fuck all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2016 1:22:57 GMT
They all should! And Whelan, where the fuck was he? I haven't watched it back like you but the midfield were totally AWOL, Pieters was AWOL. Bastards. At half time I was told that Spurs had 68% possession fost half, I couldn't believe it, despite the second half poor show I was convinced we were good first half so wanted to rewatch on telly. You get a different perspective, better detail. We were very good first half though largely carrying SJW. The midfield was functioning pretty well Whelan got caught napping by Ali, but even Glenn had a cracking strike headed over. The standout feature for me was that after the disallowed goal not one thing Arnie tried came off. Nothing he attempted worked, frustrating for him no doubt too. Pretty sure their goal came after the breakdown of play when Arnie's head fell off over that daft dive thing. We were caught napping, collectively and sucker punched. As I said Joe and Erik were first on scene and could have done better. I might watch second half tomorrow, love to understand how it all unravelled so badly. Where have you managed to get a recording of the entire game from chap? Cheers
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Post by petecampbell on Sept 11, 2016 1:26:32 GMT
Yeh a big fan here. Imbula is not the problem at the moment.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Sept 11, 2016 1:52:27 GMT
Seems like the Oatcake has added another whipping boy to the long list.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 11, 2016 2:01:37 GMT
At half time I was told that Spurs had 68% possession fost half, I couldn't believe it, despite the second half poor show I was convinced we were good first half so wanted to rewatch on telly. You get a different perspective, better detail. We were very good first half though largely carrying SJW. The midfield was functioning pretty well Whelan got caught napping by Ali, but even Glenn had a cracking strike headed over. The standout feature for me was that after the disallowed goal not one thing Arnie tried came off. Nothing he attempted worked, frustrating for him no doubt too. Pretty sure their goal came after the breakdown of play when Arnie's head fell off over that daft dive thing. We were caught napping, collectively and sucker punched. As I said Joe and Erik were first on scene and could have done better. I might watch second half tomorrow, love to understand how it all unravelled so badly. Where have you managed to get a recording of the entire game from chap? Cheers Burnside's post on page one of the Given thread Paul.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 11, 2016 2:10:01 GMT
Where have you managed to get a recording of the entire game from chap? Cheers Burnside's post on page one of the Given thread Paul. Nice one mate, clocked it.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 11, 2016 4:23:24 GMT
I'm a massive fan of his talent and ability to cruise past players in the middle of the park. However I absolutely shake my head at his laziness, poor defensive play and positioning and his general attitude and demeanour. Always one of the first to drop his head and flap his hands around blaming others for his mistakes. Great talent but I fear his heart just isn't in it and he'll never come good here. That's a bit harsh. Arnie isn't that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 5:35:43 GMT
But he's always been a fat knacker? It's all in the DNA.
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Post by auntiegeorge on Sept 11, 2016 5:44:27 GMT
Look at him on their first goal !!!! pathetic No, not a fan at all of Imbula. He will prove to be a very bad investment for the club. His performances have been tragic on a Shakespearean scale, and I don't rate him at all as a professional footballer.
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 11, 2016 6:35:26 GMT
How can a premier league team with ambition as we are supposed to be (remember the mythical next level) present itself on the pitch with one Jon walters on the wing ??
It's just incredible !!!
It's criminal that we have failed to get a talented pacy winger in the transfer window
Instead we got Sobhi, a massive gamble at this level
But still would gamble on Sobhi then play Jon walters on the wing - he'd be unable to beat my grandmother for pace !!
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 11, 2016 6:36:49 GMT
Look at him on their first goal !!!! pathetic No, not a fan at all of Imbula. He will prove to be a very bad investment for the club. His performances have been tragic on a Shakespearean scale, and I don't rate him at all as a professional footballer. And I still don't believe he's just 23 years old He looks 40 at least Certainly plays as if he's 40 not 23
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 11, 2016 6:40:49 GMT
I reserve judgement on him I think. I suspect there is very little going on in terms of training ground work on team shape. Maybe another manager will get the best out of him.
I hope Hughes sorts this out but I don't see him doing it. Time to go Hughesy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 6:46:46 GMT
The pass to Arnie in the first half was absolutely out of this world. Not many players can do that. It shows he has a fantastic talent. However talent is not enough.
I've been hammered on here for it but my opinion is we have chucked 18 million down the drain. He has absolutely no idea what is going on around him and he lets midfield players run off him. His work rate is no where near.
The manager trying to shoe horn him into the midfield alongside Allen is costing us.
I honestly don't know where we go from here but we're missing Butland and Johnson big time.
Our transfer business is costing us.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 11, 2016 6:58:50 GMT
Just seen all the goals , the whole of the defence was piss poor and watching imbula defending is like watching kenwyne attacking , bone idle and clueless
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Sept 11, 2016 7:59:42 GMT
Yeh a big fan here. Imbula is not the problem at the moment. 39 goals conceded in his 18 games for us suggests he is. He's blatantly not doing the job/can't do the job he's supposed to be doing for us. He needs dropping and forgetting about as he's the main reason we're so exposed defensively.
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