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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 10, 2016 15:33:36 GMT
Let's not kid ourselves. We are a very, very poor side.
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Post by RAF on Sept 10, 2016 15:35:59 GMT
Agreed, we are fucking shit poor and dont look like we have a fucking clue.
I'm at a loss to know what the fuck to do.
We can sack Hughes but bring who in?
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Post by liamo on Sept 10, 2016 15:35:59 GMT
Completely agree, I can cope with a narrow hard fought defeat but we are a disjointed shit mess
Something has to change
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 0:07:20 GMT
Agreed!
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 11, 2016 0:14:18 GMT
The ref didnt help today but we've had a shocking 2016. Questions need to be asked.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 0:17:24 GMT
Let's not kid ourselves. We are a very, very poor side. We've taken way, way too many 4-0 hammerings. We are very broken right now, you simply can't take that many beatings without real damage being done to the group of players. Don't let the injuries, "tough fixtures" and "poor reffing" excuse the facts. I honestly think we have to start thinking about a mutual parting of the ways between SCFC and LMH. We are in desperate need of a different approach and I just can't see us getting out of this stall under the current management, great as Sparky has been this current side reminds me way to much of Villa  |
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Post by trout-licker on Sept 11, 2016 0:55:20 GMT
Let's not kid ourselves. We are a very, very poor side. We've taken way, way too many 4-0 hammerings. We are very broken right now, you simply can't take that many beatings without real damage being done to the group of players. Don't let the injuries, "tough fixtures" and "poor reffing" excuse the facts. I honestly think we have to start thinking about a mutual parting of the ways between SCFC and LMH. We are in desperate need of a different approach and I just can't see us getting out of this stall under the current management, great as Sparky has been this current side reminds me way to much of Villa As what happened with TP, we've got the players and backing from the board to take us to the next level, but MH doesn't seem to have the capability IMO. If not Hughes who though? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 1:00:36 GMT
We've taken way, way too many 4-0 hammerings. We are very broken right now, you simply can't take that many beatings without real damage being done to the group of players. Don't let the injuries, "tough fixtures" and "poor reffing" excuse the facts. I honestly think we have to start thinking about a mutual parting of the ways between SCFC and LMH. We are in desperate need of a different approach and I just can't see us getting out of this stall under the current management, great as Sparky has been this current side reminds me way to much of Villa As what happened with TP, we've got the players and backing from the board to take us to the next level, but MH doesn't seem to have the capability IMO. If not Hughes who though? Not sure, but the important bit is that it's done quickly and by mutual consent for all concerned. Hughes could leave with real dignity that way, he deserves that, but we need to change the direction rapidly as we are in a terminal nosedive and I think everyone can see where this one ends if we don't act  |
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Post by Scrotnig on Sept 11, 2016 2:03:44 GMT
I said last season that if we started this season badly we would be this season's Villa. I was mocked. Today several people have made the same comparison.
I'm a huge Hughes fan but today he has passed the point where I believe he can fix it. In another post today I quoted some stuff said on the BBC site at the time of his QPR sacking and it's near-identical to what we have now.
He deserves to go with dignity and to be remembered for the three top ten finishes, but if he stays til November as he did at QPR he is going to be remembered for relegating the club as there will be no way out by then.
He should resign, rather than be sacked, go with dignity and respect and let us remember him for the good stuff, not the bad.
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Post by outspaced on Sept 11, 2016 2:21:59 GMT
What do you all think has gone wrong? Sparky took a while to get us going in the first year and then we took off. Then we were flying for two years.The post Christmas slump has got to be down to something. I'm at a loss to why though.
Too many ego's? Loss of respect for the boss? Vast differences in wages causing unrest? Hunger gone? Christ, we were a penalty kick away from a cup final not long ago and now this. I'm not angry or looking for scapegoats or anything, just mystified as to what the hell has gone wrong.
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Post by pottarius on Sept 11, 2016 2:43:14 GMT
Let's not kid ourselves. We are a very, very poor side. We've taken way, way too many 4-0 hammerings. We are very broken right now, you simply can't take that many beatings without real damage being done to the group of players. Don't let the injuries, "tough fixtures" and "poor reffing" excuse the facts. I honestly think we have to start thinking about a mutual parting of the ways between SCFC and LMH. We are in desperate need of a different approach and I just can't see us getting out of this stall under the current management, great as Sparky has been this current side reminds me way to much of Villa Will be confirmed when a man in a gilet is parachuted into the dugout in November (and sacked in January) |
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Post by pottarius on Sept 11, 2016 2:48:03 GMT
We've taken way, way too many 4-0 hammerings. We are very broken right now, you simply can't take that many beatings without real damage being done to the group of players. Don't let the injuries, "tough fixtures" and "poor reffing" excuse the facts. I honestly think we have to start thinking about a mutual parting of the ways between SCFC and LMH. We are in desperate need of a different approach and I just can't see us getting out of this stall under the current management, great as Sparky has been this current side reminds me way to much of Villa As what happened with TP, we've got the players and backing from the board to take us to the next level, but MH doesn't seem to have the capability IMO. If not Hughes who though? See my previous post  There is simply no-one out of work I can think of and the chances of getting someone already in a role in the top-divisions to come here are pretty slim TBH Persuade Gary that Spain was a bad dream and he can try again (as long as he leaves his hapless brother at home this time) |
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Post by pottarius on Sept 11, 2016 2:53:23 GMT
I said last season that if we started this season badly we would be this season's Villa. I was mocked. Today several people have made the same comparison. I'm a huge Hughes fan but today he has passed the point where I believe he can fix it. In another post today I quoted some stuff said on the BBC site at the time of his QPR sacking and it's near-identical to what we have now. He deserves to go with dignity and to be remembered for the three top ten finishes, but if he stays til November as he did at QPR he is going to be remembered for relegating the club as there will be no way out by then. He should resign, rather than be sacked, go with dignity and respect and let us remember him for the good stuff, not the bad. In todays world he'd only fall on his sword if he had something else lined up - he's on a contract and will expect Stoke to honour it I think he'll stay way too long, condemning us to the envitable I like him, wish he can shake the squad up and get us playing again. Sadly, I think he is drowning not waving (with a gravity crocodile nibbling his ankles of course) |
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Post by spawnyruud on Sept 11, 2016 3:07:33 GMT
The fact it actually crossed my mind tonight to think if it would be good to bring Pulis back says a lot about our current situation.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Sept 11, 2016 4:17:42 GMT
The fact it actually crossed my mind tonight to think if it would be good to bring Pulis back says a lot about our current situation. Seek medical help immediately! |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 11, 2016 6:01:12 GMT
Taylor was gash yesterday. That doesn't disguise the fact that defensively (including the goalkeeper) we were very poor in the second half.
That said two particularly bad decisions were pivotal to the outcome of the game.
In the first half I thought we matched them all over the park and were good value for going in at 0-0. That is until Taylor, having ignored two dives by Spurs players in the box booked Arnie for diving in the middle of the pitch. He then compounded that by sending Hughes off for complaining about it. That seemed to knock us completely and we soon after gifted them the opening goal.
The second appalling decision was at 0-1 and very early in the second half he totally bottled giving Wanyama a second yellow for a blatant body check. If he'd sent him off there it would have completely altered the dynamic of the game. They wouldn't have been able to rampage forward with the numbers they did if they were a man down.
Not trying to gloss over a poor defensive display but just pointing out it could and should have panned out very differently.
Ps Spurs knew Wanyama had been very lucky because they subbed him almost immediately.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 11, 2016 6:46:49 GMT
Let's not kid ourselves. We are a very, very poor side. We've taken way, way too many 4-0 hammerings. We are very broken right now, you simply can't take that many beatings without real damage being done to the group of players. Don't let the injuries, "tough fixtures" and "poor reffing" excuse the facts. I honestly think we have to start thinking about a mutual parting of the ways between SCFC and LMH. We are in desperate need of a different approach and I just can't see us getting out of this stall under the current management, great as Sparky has been this current side reminds me way to much of Villa I agree. I'm baffled when I hear people on this forum rave about our signings over the last few seasons: what have they actually done to improve the squad? Hughes was shopping in Poundland at first which was unforgivable in my opinion, but even when given money to spend he hasn't spent it on the right players. We never properly replaced N'Zonzi or upgraded Whelan. We pissed about trying to get Berahino all summer when we really needed someone to supply chances for a striker. We needed pacy full backs and got no fucker in. The happy clappers on here loved ripping the piss out of the usual suspects for being "knicker wetters" but they were right about our frailties. They laughed at other teams spending big money(the shame of it!)strengthening their sides with proven players while we hunted around for "value". It's not so funny now, is it? |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Sept 11, 2016 6:52:39 GMT
Agreed, we are fucking shit poor and dont look like we have a fucking clue. I'm at a loss to know what the fuck to do. We can sack Hughes but bring who in? H Benitez, family on the Wirral, premier league side, good foundations, great owners with some money and Ashley can't ever say no to a large sum of compo cash. Bruce to return to them as he's a Geordie. I'm sure there's talent in our side and I'm sure Benitez could organise it and use it correctly. I wouldn't go to Pulis again for all the great things he did we need to move on and stop simply picking up out of work managers if they want to get the club to the upper regions we need to poach an experience manager that is doing well |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 11, 2016 6:54:10 GMT
Benitez has just signed a new deal at Newcastle, been given a king's ransom to spend and they love him up there.
He isn't, at this stage, going to just up and walk away from all that for anything other than a massive job.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 11, 2016 6:55:06 GMT
I said last season that if we started this season badly we would be this season's Villa. I was mocked. Today several people have made the same comparison. I'm a huge Hughes fan but today he has passed the point where I believe he can fix it. In another post today I quoted some stuff said on the BBC site at the time of his QPR sacking and it's near-identical to what we have now. He deserves to go with dignity and to be remembered for the three top ten finishes, but if he stays til November as he did at QPR he is going to be remembered for relegating the club as there will be no way out by then. He should resign, rather than be sacked, go with dignity and respect and let us remember him for the good stuff, not the bad. Bollocks Villa have been in terminal decline on and off the pitch for years |
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Post by flea79 on Sept 11, 2016 6:56:53 GMT
Mancini, that is all, and remember if we finish bottom this season we get 90 odd million, we have the money to take the risk!
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Post by maliciousdamage on Sept 11, 2016 7:01:58 GMT
Benitez has just signed a new deal at Newcastle, been given a king's ransom to spend and they love him up there. He isn't, at this stage, going to just up and walk away from all that for anything other than a massive job. I guess you're right but this is Stoke all over "we have ambition" etc etc yet we look only at out of work managers as the easy option when do we actively pursue someone as much as say Everton did to get koeman |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 11, 2016 7:04:37 GMT
Benitez has just signed a new deal at Newcastle, been given a king's ransom to spend and they love him up there. He isn't, at this stage, going to just up and walk away from all that for anything other than a massive job. I guess you're right but this is Stoke all over "we have ambition" etc etc yet we look only at out of work managers as the easy option when do we actively pursue someone as much as say Everton did to get koeman I think if it comes to the crunch we'll go for Dyche. |
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Post by maliciousdamage on Sept 11, 2016 7:10:10 GMT
I guess you're right but this is Stoke all over "we have ambition" etc etc yet we look only at out of work managers as the easy option when do we actively pursue someone as much as say Everton did to get koeman I think if it comes to the crunch we'll go for Dyche. Do you know I bet you are bang in the money with that again probably as the compo to burnley and his wage would be 'cheaper' than most |
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Post by KevinWhimper on Sept 11, 2016 8:15:31 GMT
I guess you're right but this is Stoke all over "we have ambition" etc etc yet we look only at out of work managers as the easy option when do we actively pursue someone as much as say Everton did to get koeman I think if it comes to the crunch we'll go for Dyche. I wouldn't mind that at all, but personally think he'd go for Steve Bruce. |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 11, 2016 8:16:23 GMT
At the end of the second half (I stayed  the ref gave them one last attack At the end of the first half he blew the whistle without giving us a corner but waited a couple of secs before deciding. |
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Post by slother on Sept 11, 2016 8:31:20 GMT
I said last season that if we started this season badly we would be this season's Villa. I was mocked. Today several people have made the same comparison. I'm a huge Hughes fan but today he has passed the point where I believe he can fix it. In another post today I quoted some stuff said on the BBC site at the time of his QPR sacking and it's near-identical to what we have now. He deserves to go with dignity and to be remembered for the three top ten finishes, but if he stays til November as he did at QPR he is going to be remembered for relegating the club as there will be no way out by then. He should resign, rather than be sacked, go with dignity and respect and let us remember him for the good stuff, not the bad. I've been a Hughes fan but yesterday marked the point where he needs to hit certain targets to save his job. We need to see a system change while Shaqiri and Johnson are out. Playing with inverted wingers with the current personnel is tactical suicide. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 11, 2016 8:39:13 GMT
I think if it comes to the crunch we'll go for Dyche. I wouldn't mind that at all, but personally think he'd go for Steve Bruce. Hope not. Really, really hope not. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 11, 2016 8:42:19 GMT
Just take a step back and think for a moment...the board have entrusted Hughes with a huge wadge of cash to invest in the squad.
It would be folly for them to then turn round and go " sorry Mark, see you" as it would demonstrate they have made failings in entrusting him in the first place.
Everyone needs to hold their breath and work through this problem.
Stability has shown that it brings success. This needs to be applied now more than ever.
We had Toxic Tone in charge for a good number of years and brought us to where we are now.
Now Hughes has to carry us forward. If the board go making changes now , players will be frozen out by the New manager which creates more unrest and so the downward spiral continues.
So in short- hold your nerve and knuckle down ...........
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 11, 2016 8:50:45 GMT
The ref didnt help today but we've had a shocking 2016. Questions need to be asked. There's still 3 & 1/2 Months of it to go yet... |
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the ref gave them one last attack
