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Post by trigger on Sept 11, 2016 9:21:34 GMT
Hughes is his own worse enemy, one trick pony and what that trick is I have no idea.
Walking to the ground yesterday we discussed the team was a given, tactics a given and result a given.
The football is terrible, we play with a buzz for the first ten minutes in each half then ...........
The owners won't sack Hughes yet as it was Jon's baby and the only man in the frame and he's been good but we can't afford to stand still now, it won't change we're to predictable under Hughes.
His only answer is to ask the old guard to step up for him and well a blind man see that's not going to happen is it, sorry but he needs to go.
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Post by luke45 on Sept 11, 2016 9:56:41 GMT
That decision not to give Wanyama a second yellow card on 50 minutes for a blatant body-check on the half way line really was a key moment in the game, we needed the referee to be strong and do his job correctly and sadly they've failed again. As the original post and Mark Hughes said though, that is not the reason we lost yesterday.
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Post by shipshape on Sept 11, 2016 10:50:03 GMT
That decision not to give Wanyama a second yellow card on 50 minutes for a blatant body-check on the half way line really was a key moment in the game, we needed the referee to be strong and do his job correctly and sadly they've failed again. As the original post and Mark Hughes said though, that is not the reason we lost yesterday. I'd say it was one of the most spineless decisions I've ever seen but there's been too many others to put it up so high. He went to his pocket and was about to book him until he realised he'd have to send him off. This is the reason the refs need to be called to account after the game and explain their decisions / bias / incompetence.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 11, 2016 10:53:26 GMT
Felt the ref was the least of our problems yesterday!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 11, 2016 11:09:28 GMT
The ref thing is a bit if my aunty had bollocks but it certainly didn't help.
Our biggest issue was conceding first though and we notably crawled up our own arses and almost accepted the inevitable once they scored.
There is certainly a case for saying "what if?" where their obvious second yellow was concerned as who knows what would have happened with them down to ten?
That said I think we'd have still lost personally.
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 11, 2016 11:47:07 GMT
Speaking to a bunch of Spurs fans on the walk back. While they conceded Wanyama could've gone, instead of rolling in the glory of a 4-0 thrashing they were genuinely concerned about how bad we looked from top to bottom. Now I'm not usually bothered what other fans think, but given the context, it's pretty alarming in this case.
We are far too easy to beat for teams who will take their chances, and the trouble is - there's a lot of them this season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:01:44 GMT
Is it as simple as managers only tend to have a certain shelf life before they start repeating themselves too often and lose the players? I can only think of Ferguson, Wenger, Moyes and even Pulis and Gradi in relatively recent times who have been at one club for more than say 3 seasons. And 4 of those didn't carry on the promise they had shown at the height of their love in with the club.
Maybe we just need to accept what other club's fans have come to realise (I suppose we had before Pulis arrived and spent the best part of a decade here in 2 spells) that managers come and go and their recruitment is something that should be seen as commonplace as getting new players.
I don't know. I'll be sad to see Hughes go as he's definitely shown us that mid tablet Premier League football can be achieved without making people who back under 2.5 goals on all our matches rich. But I'll be even sadder if we keep letting in 3 or 4 goals.
I guess I just feel guilty about part of me wanting him to go, but I'm struggling to get my head around another complete collapse after we've let in a couple of goals.
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