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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 8:38:31 GMT
Teresa May seems to be gambling on taking the plunge.
edd bollocks and his clan are obviously against it. Probably more to do with encouraging Tory hatred than owt else.
Rightly or wrongly I personally agree with more grammar schools, but I think the PM has missed a trick here.....she should have had a people's referendum to decide the outcome, after all, it's our children's futures we are talking of and a referendum on these things would have made her very popular IMO
I would also like to see referendums popping up on various local issues too to coincide with leaving the EU
a new, more democratic UK
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 8:45:43 GMT
We should do everything we can to keep Grammar Schools going. I also agree about more referenda for the electorate, done online. You're off to a good start today Mares, keep it up love  |
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Post by Northy on Sept 8, 2016 9:17:59 GMT
Teresa May seems to be gambling on taking the plunge. edd bollocks and his clan are obviously against it. Probably more to do with encouraging Tory hatred than owt else. Rightly or wrongly I personally agree with more grammar schools, but I think the PM has missed a trick here.....she should have had a people's referendum to decide the outcome, after all, it's our children's futures we are talking of and a referendum on these things would have made her very popular IMO I would also like to see referendums popping up on various local issues too to coincide with leaving the EU a new, more democratic UK I thought Ed had left politics now? They are a good thing |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 8, 2016 9:28:03 GMT
One Theresa May policy jezza does agree with
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Sept 8, 2016 10:45:38 GMT
Teresa May seems to be gambling on taking the plunge. edd bollocks and his clan are obviously against it. Probably more to do with encouraging Tory hatred than owt else. Rightly or wrongly I personally agree with more grammar schools, but I think the PM has missed a trick here.....she should have had a people's referendum to decide the outcome, after all, it's our children's futures we are talking of and a referendum on these things would have made her very popular IMO I would also like to see referendums popping up on various local issues too to coincide with leaving the EU a new, more democratic UK I thought Ed had left politics now? They are a good thing He's not left politics. I guess he can still gets into all the parties as Yvette Coopers +1. Why is she not Yvette Balls by the way ?? Anyway, it's conference time so there'll be speaking engagements, he's also brought out his memoirs which has this nonsensical endorsement; "A fascinating, heartfelt and first-hand account of the brutality of British politics on the frontline. When Game of Thrones meets the Palace of Westminster, not even the strongest can survive." (Kay Burley) And he'll be gracing our screens on Strictly Come Dancing in a couple of weeks  conna wait. He's not an ex-politician he's a celebrity ex-politician. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2016 11:10:45 GMT
I thought Ed had left politics now? They are a good thing He's not left politics. I guess he can still gets into all the parties as Yvette Coopers +1. Why is she not Yvette Balls by the way ?? Anyway, it's conference time so there'll be speaking engagements, he's also brought out his memoirs which has this nonsensical endorsement; "A fascinating, heartfelt and first-hand account of the brutality of British politics on the frontline. When Game of Thrones meets the Palace of Westminster, not even the strongest can survive." (Kay Burley) And he'll be gracing our screens on Strictly Come Dancing in a couple of weeks conna wait. He's not an ex-politician he's a celebrity ex-politician. He's basically a bloke with a book to sell and his agent is doing a great job of plonking him on TV shows and providing him with a back story to help him do it. Everything from the no-hoper 'dad-dancer' on Strictly to the recovering 'stammer' story is carefully choreographed to tear at the heart strings and build his profile. |
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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2016 11:12:19 GMT
Oh and grammar schools, great if you go to one, not so good if you get lumped in with the lot that didn't pass the entrance exam.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 8, 2016 17:42:30 GMT
Well, I went to a good grammar school followed by Oxford University. Most of the educational experts favour the existing system and that's good enough for me! As for another referendum, why let the great unwashed decide on another issue they know sweet fanny adams about?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 18:36:30 GMT
I went to a gramma school , she smacked my hands if I was naughty and made me keep my elbows off the table.
Loved them both and as most forget they taught us so much that school never could.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Sept 8, 2016 18:41:35 GMT
Keep them.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 8, 2016 18:56:16 GMT
Well, I went to a good grammar school followed by Oxford University. Most of the educational experts favour the existing system and that's good enough for me! As for another referendum, why let the great unwashed decide on another issue they know sweet fanny adams about? I went to grammar school and university and believe the population are too thick to have a view on anything. Elitist bollocks |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 8, 2016 19:12:34 GMT
One Theresa May policy jezza does agree with I thought he divorced his 1st wife 4 putting their child through the grammar system... |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 8, 2016 19:14:01 GMT
Well, I went to a good grammar school followed by Oxford University. Most of the educational experts favour the existing system and that's good enough for me! As for another referendum, why let the great unwashed decide on another issue they know sweet fanny adams about? I went to grammar school and university and believe the population are too thick to have a view on anything. Elitist bollocks Why did U go into the forces after all that education... |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 8, 2016 19:18:46 GMT
I went to a gramma school , she smacked my hands if I was naughty and made me keep my elbows off the table. Loved them both and as most forget they taught us so much that school never could. Masicist |
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 8, 2016 21:46:34 GMT
I went to grammar school ....and it was great if you were right clever ...but alas I was not ...I was good at sport and arty stuff but they wanted to turn out doctors lawyers and vets ....so as I was a bit of a thick shit ...I felt they didn't have the facilities to develop the few skills I'd got ..I needed a more arty sporty kind of school ...bit like fame ..  I used to get nervous at my kids parents evening ...I'd nip off as soon as I thought no one was watching ...my sons thought I was mad ... |
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 8, 2016 21:46:45 GMT
I went to grammar school ....and it was great if you were right clever ...but alas I was not ...I was good at sport and arty stuff but they wanted to turn out doctors lawyers and vets ....so as I was a bit of a thick shit ...I felt they didn't have the facilities to develop the few skills I'd got ..I needed a more arty sporty kind of school ...bit like fame .. I used to get nervous at my kids parents evening ...I'd nip off as soon as I thought no one was watching ...my sons thought I was mad ... |
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Post by riponstokie on Sept 8, 2016 22:21:16 GMT
Grammar schools are decisive in a couple of ways. Firstly,Obviously there are grammar school kids, and comprehensive school kids. Immediately this suggest a sense of superiority which could inevitably have negative influences on kids that don't get into grammars, similarly, it can create an arrogant air of superiority in grammar schools. Moreover, in grammar schools, if you are a high flying academic then you will be supported and succeed. However, if you are anything less than the top 20/30% you can be isolated, feel unwelcome and the school may begin to question your status as a student there. Therefore, personally, I don't believe grammar schools are a good thing. I think pushing students and getting the best out of them is a positive that should be taken from grammar schools and pushed into all schools. However, the entire education system needs a ridiculous shake up with huge investment this government simply ain't gonna provide, so any thoughts on education will remain hypothetical and mere ideas
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Post by kingdong on Sept 9, 2016 2:38:04 GMT
Why can't everyone go to the same school and be put into sets based on ability? That is what I experienced when I went to Alleynes in Uttoxeter and it appeared to work well.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 9, 2016 7:05:42 GMT
I went to grammar school ....and it was great if you were right clever ...but alas I was not ...I was good at sport and arty stuff but they wanted to turn out doctors lawyers and vets ....so as I was a bit of a thick shit ...I felt they didn't have the facilities to develop the few skills I'd got ..I needed a more arty sporty kind of school ...bit like fame .. I used to get nervous at my kids parents evening ...I'd nip off as soon as I thought no one was watching ...my sons thought I was mad ... R U Leroy!?! |
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 9, 2016 7:14:48 GMT
Grammar schools are decisive in a couple of ways. Firstly,Obviously there are grammar school kids, and comprehensive school kids. Immediately this suggest a sense of superiority which could inevitably have negative influences on kids that don't get into grammars, similarly, it can create an arrogant air of superiority in grammar schools. Moreover, in grammar schools, if you are a high flying academic then you will be supported and succeed. However, if you are anything less than the top 20/30% you can be isolated, feel unwelcome and the school may begin to question your status as a student there. Therefore, personally, I don't believe grammar schools are a good thing. I think pushing students and getting the best out of them is a positive that should be taken from grammar schools and pushed into all schools. However, the entire education system needs a ridiculous shake up with huge investment this government simply ain't gonna provide, so any thoughts on education will remain hypothetical and mere ideas 1st thing, Divisive. You ain't getting into Grammar school with dodgy grammar. 2nd thing, Where are all these 1st class teachers going to come from after the Govt has been denigrating teachers for the past decade. Yet another example of Torys throwing other kids toys in the air & hoping they come down as a model railway. Bad management |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 10:44:30 GMT
Grammar schools are decisive in a couple of ways. Firstly,Obviously there are grammar school kids, and comprehensive school kids. Immediately this suggest a sense of superiority which could inevitably have negative influences on kids that don't get into grammars, similarly, it can create an arrogant air of superiority in grammar schools. Moreover, in grammar schools, if you are a high flying academic then you will be supported and succeed. However, if you are anything less than the top 20/30% you can be isolated, feel unwelcome and the school may begin to question your status as a student there. Therefore, personally, I don't believe grammar schools are a good thing. I think pushing students and getting the best out of them is a positive that should be taken from grammar schools and pushed into all schools. However, the entire education system needs a ridiculous shake up with huge investment this government simply ain't gonna provide, so any thoughts on education will remain hypothetical and mere ideas I honestly hear what you say.
However there are more parents concerned with arguing over a school uniform that costs bugger all nowadays than parents that are interested in their child's education and future. £25 for a new uniform that meets required standards when child benefit is £20 a week for the oldest and £13 for the youngest is not a lot to make that child feel a part of the school.
The problem is your point of only pushing academic children's future. Here is where I part ways with May. We must put just as much effort and financial backing into ALL children's futures weather that be academic or art or sport based. An academic future should be seen as an option not as a prize for an elite group. In short we have to focus on the individual needs of EVERY child with equal importance and funding.
I still think you can not teach academic children in the same place as other groups.
Would you send a potential painter and decorator or a builder to Oxford?
Would you send a potential footballer or athlete to Reseheath agricultural College?
No?, then we clearly need to define our children and allow them to proceed down the right path for them, not keep trying to force them all into a blended future that in my opinion is not right for any of them. Feeling like you belong is a key ingredient to success, feeling left out is a reason to bob school and go fishing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 9, 2016 10:48:49 GMT
We live in a two tier society in every other way of life so best let poor kids know they're fucking useless as early as possible.
Tory Britain.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 9, 2016 10:50:58 GMT
We live in a two tier society in every other way of life so best let poor kids know they're fucking useless as early as possible. Tory Britain. That made I laugh |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 9, 2016 10:52:36 GMT
Well, I went to a good grammar school followed by Oxford University. Most of the educational experts favour the existing system and that's good enough for me! As for another referendum, why let the great unwashed decide on another issue they know sweet fanny adams about? I went to grammar school and university and believe the population are too thick to have a view on anything. Elitist bollocks If you believe the population can have intelligent views on politics, why don't our right wing armed forces join them for a change?  |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 9, 2016 11:07:48 GMT
I went to grammar school and university and believe the population are too thick to have a view on anything. Elitist bollocks If you believe the population can have intelligent views on politics, why don't our right wing armed forces join them for a change? i dont believe the views of an entire population can be disregarded so easily as you often do. Right or wrong people are entitled to an opinion it's not quite a NAZI state. You could argue that grammar school and oxbridge graduates are very insular and only have a blinkered view on the world being shielded from everything else |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 9, 2016 11:24:18 GMT
If you believe the population can have intelligent views on politics, why don't our right wing armed forces join them for a change? i dont believe the views of an entire population can be disregarded so easily as you often do. Right or wrong people are entitled to an opinion it's not quite a NAZI state. You could argue that grammar school and oxbridge graduates are very insular and only have a blinkered view on the world being shielded from everything else No, you're wrong! It's the views of the "entire population" I regard! It's the views of the armed services who are Tories almost without exception I suspect! Is it true when you sign on the dotted line Conservative Central Office inserts a micro chip into your brains?  |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 9, 2016 11:47:22 GMT
I went to grammar school and university and believe the population are too thick to have a view on anything. Elitist bollocks If you believe the population can have intelligent views on politics, why don't our right wing armed forces join them for a change? i dont believe the views of an entire population can be disregarded so easily as you often do. Right or wrong people are entitled to an opinion it's not quite a NAZI state. You could argue that grammar school and oxbridge graduates are very insular and only have a blinkered view on the world being shielded from everything else |
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Post by Dutchpeter on Sept 9, 2016 11:54:39 GMT
i dont believe the views of an entire population can be disregarded so easily as you often do. Right or wrong people are entitled to an opinion it's not quite a NAZI state. You could argue that grammar school and oxbridge graduates are very insular and only have a blinkered view on the world being shielded from everything else No, you're wrong! It's the views of the "entire population" I regard! It's the views of the armed services who are Tories almost without exception I suspect! Is it true when you sign on the dotted line Conservative Central Office inserts a micro chip into your brains? You might want to actually speak to members of the armed forces about his/her political views. You may be surprised. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 9, 2016 12:13:19 GMT
No, you're wrong! It's the views of the "entire population" I regard! It's the views of the armed services who are Tories almost without exception I suspect! Is it true when you sign on the dotted line Conservative Central Office inserts a micro chip into your brains? You might want to actually speak to members of the armed forces about his/her political views. You may be surprised. I do! Several family members were/are service people! I shared an office with a R.S.M. whose retirement ambition was to be a Tory councillor! In fact, he's popped up on 'Question Time' not just once but twice! |
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Post by Skankmonkey on Sept 9, 2016 12:46:17 GMT
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conna wait.
