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Post by followyoudown on Sept 9, 2016 12:54:53 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 9, 2016 13:01:31 GMT
I'm fully aware. Political Elite Britain. Grammar Schools are a terribly shit idea. The Labour ban on new ones should stay.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 9, 2016 13:33:20 GMT
I'm fully aware. Political Elite Britain. Grammar Schools are a terribly shit idea. The Labour ban on new ones should stay. we either have them or not A ban on new ones is just half hearted
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 9, 2016 13:37:10 GMT
I'm fully aware. Political Elite Britain. Grammar Schools are a terribly shit idea. The Labour ban on new ones should stay. A ban on new ones is just half hearted I agree but the ban should remain whilst they work out how to to unravel the system but in true Tory style they've opened it up to a two tier system based on privilege and rejection.
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Post by felonious on Sept 9, 2016 15:09:04 GMT
Grammar schools are needed to get the kids that want to learn away from the kids that want to stop the kids that want to learn from learning
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Post by felonious on Sept 9, 2016 15:14:54 GMT
No, you're wrong! It's the views of the "entire population" I regard! It's the views of the armed services who are Tories almost without exception I suspect! Is it true when you sign on the dotted line Conservative Central Office inserts a micro chip into your brains? You might want to actually speak to members of the armed forces about his/her political views. You may be surprised. Since we're generalising I read somewhere that members of the armed forces are more likely to vote Tory and people with a chip on their shoulder are more likely to vote Labour.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 9, 2016 16:04:32 GMT
You might want to actually speak to members of the armed forces about his/her political views. You may be surprised. Since we're generalising I read somewhere that members of the armed forces are more likely to vote Tory and people with a chip on their shoulder are more likely to vote Labour. What about salop ? He has a chip on both shoulders and votes Tory
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 9, 2016 16:06:50 GMT
Grammar schools are needed to get the kids that want to learn away from the kids that want to stop the kids that want to learn from learning The only question we need to ask is has our education system improved since the decline of grammar schools and the dumbing down of secondary education in general .
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 9, 2016 16:16:35 GMT
Anyone looked on Twitter recently? You know those 'hashtag trends' things? Currently 'Trending' is 'Grammerschools'. For this reason alone I say bring them back
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 9, 2016 16:18:38 GMT
I'm fully aware. Political Elite Britain. Grammar Schools are a terribly shit idea. The Labour ban on new ones should stay. For consistency shouldn't that be New Labour still good to see Jezza backing Blairite policies
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Post by felonious on Sept 9, 2016 18:27:26 GMT
Since we're generalising I read somewhere that members of the armed forces are more likely to vote Tory and people with a chip on their shoulder are more likely to vote Labour. What about salop ? He has a chip on both shoulders and votes Tory I'm talking about generalisations not specifics
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 9, 2016 19:16:00 GMT
What about salop ? He has a chip on both shoulders and votes Tory I'm talking about generalisations not specifics Salop wasn't general ,I think he made lance corporal
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Post by riponstokie on Sept 9, 2016 19:31:09 GMT
Grammar schools are decisive in a couple of ways. Firstly,Obviously there are grammar school kids, and comprehensive school kids. Immediately this suggest a sense of superiority which could inevitably have negative influences on kids that don't get into grammars, similarly, it can create an arrogant air of superiority in grammar schools. Moreover, in grammar schools, if you are a high flying academic then you will be supported and succeed. However, if you are anything less than the top 20/30% you can be isolated, feel unwelcome and the school may begin to question your status as a student there. Therefore, personally, I don't believe grammar schools are a good thing. I think pushing students and getting the best out of them is a positive that should be taken from grammar schools and pushed into all schools. However, the entire education system needs a ridiculous shake up with huge investment this government simply ain't gonna provide, so any thoughts on education will remain hypothetical and mere ideas I honestly hear what you say.
However there are more parents concerned with arguing over a school uniform that costs bugger all nowadays than parents that are interested in their child's education and future. £25 for a new uniform that meets required standards when child benefit is £20 a week for the oldest and £13 for the youngest is not a lot to make that child feel a part of the school.
The problem is your point of only pushing academic children's future. Here is where I part ways with May. We must put just as much effort and financial backing into ALL children's futures weather that be academic or art or sport based. An academic future should be seen as an option not as a prize for an elite group. In short we have to focus on the individual needs of EVERY child with equal importance and funding.
I still think you can not teach academic children in the same place as other groups.
Would you send a potential painter and decorator or a builder to Oxford?
Would you send a potential footballer or athlete to Reseheath agricultural College?
No?, then we clearly need to define our children and allow them to proceed down the right path for them, not keep trying to force them all into a blended future that in my opinion is not right for any of them. Feeling like you belong is a key ingredient to success, feeling left out is a reason to bob school and go fishing.
Completely agree with what you say there mate. I feel huge investment needs to be pumped into the education system so once you live primary school/get to 12/13/14 you can select from a variety of different options. For example, there may be schools focussing on trades (which we have a horrendous lack of nowadays). Also, as you say, there needs to be sport, art and business based schools. This would mean kids could study things they are passionate about, and are not labelled dim if they aren't academic in the conventional sense. Unfortunately, this government won't invest heavily into the education system, rather, they continue to chip away at school budgets, thus forever increasing the gap between the haves and have not.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 9, 2016 20:33:54 GMT
Teresa May seems to be gambling on taking the plunge. edd bollocks and his clan are obviously against it. Probably more to do with encouraging Tory hatred than owt else. Rightly or wrongly I personally agree with more grammar schools, but I think the PM has missed a trick here.....she should have had a people's referendum to decide the outcome, after all, it's our children's futures we are talking of and a referendum on these things would have made her very popular IMO I would also like to see referendums popping up on various local issues too to coincide with leaving the EU a new, more democratic UK She's basically done the people pleasing equivalent of a DJ doing a crowd pleaser & banging out Sympathy for the Devil/Superstion. Very unimaginative/creative. Not a great sign for a leader, especially when you consider the intellectual zeal that will be required with Brexit. Lazy
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 20:50:29 GMT
Teresa May seems to be gambling on taking the plunge. edd bollocks and his clan are obviously against it. Probably more to do with encouraging Tory hatred than owt else. Rightly or wrongly I personally agree with more grammar schools, but I think the PM has missed a trick here.....she should have had a people's referendum to decide the outcome, after all, it's our children's futures we are talking of and a referendum on these things would have made her very popular IMO I would also like to see referendums popping up on various local issues too to coincide with leaving the EU a new, more democratic UK She's basically done the people pleasing equivalent of a DJ doing a crowd pleaser & banging out Sympathy for the Devil/Superstion. Very unimaginative/creative. Not a great sign for a leader, especially when you consider the intellectual zeal that will be required with Brexit. Lazy It's looking like brexit isn't happening mr bath Looking like a Big stitch up id id almost forgiven her for her bullshit as education secretary leopard rd never changes her spots
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 21:00:19 GMT
She's basically done the people pleasing equivalent of a DJ doing a crowd pleaser & banging out Sympathy for the Devil/Superstion. Very unimaginative/creative. Not a great sign for a leader, especially when you consider the intellectual zeal that will be required with Brexit. Lazy It's looking like brexit isn't happening mr bath Looking like a Big stitch up id id almost forgiven her for her bullshit as education secretary leopard rd never changes her spots I think a very mild Brexit will happen, it just won't be anything like any of the versions that were being sold to the electorate. It's clear they can't control immigration or re-channel EU money for a start; that all became very apparent the very next day after the vote
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 22:52:07 GMT
Since we're generalising I read somewhere that members of the armed forces are more likely to vote Tory and people with a chip on their shoulder are more likely to vote Labour. What about salop ? He has a chip on both shoulders and votes Tory Pips more likely
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Post by mtrstudent on Sept 10, 2016 3:00:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 6:12:59 GMT
It's looking like brexit isn't happening mr bath Looking like a Big stitch up id id almost forgiven her for her bullshit as education secretary leopard rd never changes her spots I think a very mild Brexit will happen, it just won't be anything like any of the versions that were being sold to the electorate. It's clear they can't control immigration or re-channel EU money for a start; that all became very apparent the very next day after the vote Yep, our government will be happy just to change workers rights at this rate
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Post by felonious on Sept 10, 2016 6:39:26 GMT
It would be interesting if she goes through with the idea of making 50% of all places available to kids on free school meals. At the moment not only "rich" people "game" the system but many parents up and down the country. It would be interesting to estimate the effect of tutoring on grades in secondary schools because stripping this out would give a better understanding of the in house performance of schools.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 7:07:27 GMT
I think a very mild Brexit will happen, it just won't be anything like any of the versions that were being sold to the electorate. It's clear they can't control immigration or re-channel EU money for a start; that all became very apparent the very next day after the vote Yep, our government will be happy just to change workers rights at this rate Agree, this is the one the Tories seemed to want
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 7:13:59 GMT
What about salop ? He has a chip on both shoulders and votes Tory A big fucking pumpkin more likely Very rude but probably true mate
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 8:22:19 GMT
A big fucking pumpkin more likely Very rude but probably true mate Very good
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Post by steve66 on Sept 10, 2016 9:44:33 GMT
I think it's wrong to discriminate kids at the age of eleven, lots of children are late developers, one who is given the same encouragement as a more advanced child, shall I say,can come to the fore and be just as clever. Same applies in reverse, the more advanced child can just as likely fall back in their learning's surely? For me it is all about the levels of the teachers who make the difference to education, so will the best teachers be filtered into grammer schools too?
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Post by felonious on Sept 10, 2016 10:53:48 GMT
I think it's wrong to discriminate kids at the age of eleven, lots of children are late developers, one who is given the same encouragement as a more advanced child, shall I say,can come to the fore and be just as clever. Same applies in reverse, the more advanced child can just as likely fall back in their learning's surely? For me it is all about the levels of the teachers who make the difference to education, so will the best teachers be filtered into grammer schools too? There was a safety net via the test at thirteen whereby pupils could thereby go to a grammar school.
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Post by hearttohartshill on Sept 10, 2016 10:54:43 GMT
German style university system please.
If you are going to segregate at 11, free education would go a long way to helping adults back into education.
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Post by steve66 on Sept 10, 2016 16:35:49 GMT
I think it's wrong to discriminate kids at the age of eleven, lots of children are late developers, one who is given the same encouragement as a more advanced child, shall I say,can come to the fore and be just as clever. Same applies in reverse, the more advanced child can just as likely fall back in their learning's surely? For me it is all about the levels of the teachers who make the difference to education, so will the best teachers be filtered into grammer schools too? There was a safety net via the test at thirteen whereby pupils could thereby go to a grammar school. Cheers, is that still in force with new proposals?
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Post by felonious on Sept 10, 2016 18:01:56 GMT
There was a safety net via the test at thirteen whereby pupils could thereby go to a grammar school. Cheers, is that still in force with new proposals? Not seen any specific details but it be nonsensical not to operate that system.
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Post by steve66 on Sept 10, 2016 18:32:17 GMT
Cheers, is that still in force with new proposals? Not seen any specific details but it be nonsensical not to operate that system. Quite agree, also nonsensical as to why they have to keep messing about with the educational system!
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