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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2016 8:34:22 GMT
He clearly needs games to get fit and loose, it would have been daft not to play him.
He will be better for it.
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Post by foster on Aug 24, 2016 8:42:15 GMT
His back had strapping on under his shirt, it's definitely not completely behind him. He was also beyond poor against City. That's all very negative but it's my honest opinion, I love the bloke and he is mister Stoke City to me but it's far too early to be parking that myth. Prevention is better than the cure. Saying that I would wear knee braces too but that's because I am getting too old to play sport now. He may well use the tape, even for mental reasons, until he retires. I still tape my wrists after breaking them the best part of 20 years ago. How long did it take your dick to recover? Must have been bloody sore. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 24, 2016 9:14:10 GMT
He clearly needs games to get fit and loose, it would have been daft not to play him. He will be better for it. It's nice to see you give one of our two struggling centre backs a chance  |
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 24, 2016 9:21:50 GMT
Prevention is better than the cure. Saying that I would wear knee braces too but that's because I am getting too old to play sport now. He may well use the tape, even for mental reasons, until he retires. I still tape my wrists after breaking them the best part of 20 years ago. How long did it take your dick to recover? Must have been bloody sore. No it's all callused now, but it's still a two handed job |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2016 9:43:35 GMT
He clearly needs games to get fit and loose, it would have been daft not to play him. He will be better for it. It's nice to see you give one of our two struggling centre backs a chance I don't think he struggled on Saturday. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 24, 2016 9:56:11 GMT
It's nice to see you give one of our two struggling centre backs a chance I don't think he struggled on Saturday. Nice comeback. I'd say you were in the minority. |
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Post by stokie1954 on Aug 24, 2016 10:06:37 GMT
Ryan has a chance now to get an England call up. Big Sam likes him. Would imagine Sam would have a word with Sparky to determine his fitness. Could be an important pointer for the season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2016 10:26:24 GMT
I don't think he struggled on Saturday. Nice comeback. I'd say you were in the minority. Oh I am. People have gone way ott about his performance on Saturday mainly thanks to a dodgy penalty. It's most strange. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 10:29:16 GMT
I haven't seen too much drama, people have been (rightly imo) worried but I haven't seen anyone say anything dramatic like he wants fucking off. I've seen people saying after the Man City game that his time is done and we need to look for replacements. To me that's not a fair way to treat our captain who gave us the time, we owe it him back. I'll say this, if we don't look and put in place a defender who is capable of replacing him then the manager and the coaching staff are being negligent.
Ryan is clearly not fully fit and is out of form and is being targeted by the refs as usual at the start of the season like he is some sort of antichrist to defending.
We don't have 2 good centre backs never mind rest Ryan and put a third one in.
Farcical situation for a team who have finished 9th three seasons in a row. Perhaps we can play 11 mid fielders as we seem to collect them while providing a retirement home for past it strikers who fail year on year to score enough goals.
I've spoken about this before when you have had a serious injury it takes a long time to mentally trust that injury from not going again. The problem is we have NO adequate cover while that is done.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 24, 2016 10:33:48 GMT
Bayern I clearly am another member of the minority group.The knee jerk reaction of some on this board amazes me especially when they have no information to base their comments upon with regard to the extent of his injury.
I think they would do better leaving the issue of whether or not he should play to those with the knowledge of his condition - the medical staff and of course Ryan himself.
I also don't think he has struggled in either of the Premier games to date.Maybe he is not yet on top form but how some reach the conclusion he should be left out of the team I really do not know.
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Post by stoneroses on Aug 24, 2016 10:53:04 GMT
Nice comeback. I'd say you were in the minority. Oh I am. People have gone way ott about his performance on Saturday mainly thanks to a dodgy penalty. It's most strange. Saturday was his worst performance in a Stoke shirt, he was absolutely garbage. He has set his own high standards which we compare him to but he was so far off them on Saturday |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2016 10:54:14 GMT
Oh I am. People have gone way ott about his performance on Saturday mainly thanks to a dodgy penalty. It's most strange. Saturday was his worst performance in a Stoke shirt, he was absolutely garbage. He has set his own high standards which we compare him to but he was so far off them on Saturday Why was he? What did he do so badly? |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 24, 2016 11:14:41 GMT
Saturday was his worst performance in a Stoke shirt, he was absolutely garbage. He has set his own high standards which we compare him to but he was so far off them on Saturday Why was he? What did he do so badly? Far be it for me to be calling for his head Bayern, I'm not advocating that like some are, but something's not quite right. Granted he could be struggling for form, but so early in the season? If he's being picked then he must be deemed as fit enough. I know exactly why you don't like Wolly, but I think his good points outweigh his bad points. However, I agree that his awkward running style and lack of pace presents us with a problem, although he made more timely interceptions than Ryan did on Saturday and both were similarly undone for the fourth goal. |
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Post by tonedepear on Aug 24, 2016 11:15:02 GMT
Only worry for me last night was in the first half he had a full handful of one of the Stevenage attackers' shirt for AGES and it was super obvious and how the liner didn't notice I've no idea.
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Post by philb on Aug 24, 2016 11:16:48 GMT
Only worry for me last night was in the first half he had a full handful of one of the Stevenage attackers' shirt for AGES and it was super obvious and how the liner didn't notice I've no idea. Obviously learned his lesson from Saturday then! |
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Post by stoneroses on Aug 24, 2016 11:21:08 GMT
Saturday was his worst performance in a Stoke shirt, he was absolutely garbage. He has set his own high standards which we compare him to but he was so far off them on Saturday Why was he? What did he do so badly? Directly responsible for the 1st Didn't press the ball or mark Inneacho on the 3rd, got caught in no mans land Directly responsible for the 4th, only defender to drop then let's the ball come past him very easily. His distribution along with many others all game was rubbish. Never really looked settled at the back and apart from a five minute spell at the start of the second half we were second best all round. I suggest you go back and watch the goals then try and defend him. I'm a big fan of Shawcross and will give him time, but like I said, against his own very high standards he is a long way off. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2016 11:25:02 GMT
Why was he? What did he do so badly? Far be it for me to be calling for his head Bayern, I'm not advocating that like some are, but something's not quite right. Granted he could be struggling for form, but so early in the season? If he's being picked then he must be deemed as fit enough. I know exactly why you don't like Wolly, but I think his good points outweigh his bad points. However, I agree that his awkward running style and lack of pace presents us with a problem, although he made more timely interceptions than Ryan did on Saturday and both were similarly undone for the fourth goal. I think he's going to take longer to get fully fit and mobile, the pre-season was a joke for him really. I couldn't give a fuck about his running style tbh. Wolly for the third too....... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2016 11:26:33 GMT
Why was he? What did he do so badly? Directly responsible for the 1st Didn't press the ball or mark Inneacho on the 3rd, got caught in no mans land Directly responsible for the 4th, only defender to drop then let's the ball come past him very easily. His distribution along with many others all game was rubbish. Never really looked settled at the back and apart from a five minute spell at the start of the second half we were second best all round. I suggest you go back and watch the goals then try and defend him. I'm a big fan of Shawcross and will give him time, but like I said, against his own very high standards he is a long way off. The first was a joke. If Wolly could pass he wouldn't have needed to cover for him for the third. The fourth him and Wolly fuck up. He's rusty but with the injury he's had he will need time to get loose and flowing. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 11:45:43 GMT
We are not asking for Shawcross to be dropped because of one or two bad games. He's become a liability over a long period. He's still able to throw himself in front of the ball, but that's what you'd expect from a Sunday footballer. He keeps making those silly fouls which he and we are lucky he only gets called on when Dean refs. He's too often caught ball watching and he's too often caught out of position when he plays against a classy striker like Aguero. He's ok against Giraud or Lukako who have similarly limited skill, but Zlatan must already be rubbing his hands at the thought of a defender he can eat alive.
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Post by Bick on Aug 24, 2016 11:59:00 GMT
His back had strapping on under his shirt, it's definitely not completely behind him. He was also beyond poor against City. That's all very negative but it's my honest opinion, I love the bloke and he is mister Stoke City to me but it's far too early to be parking that myth. I'm almost certain that his back is behind him. |
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Post by liamo on Aug 24, 2016 12:01:03 GMT
We are not asking for Shawcross to be dropped because of one or two bad games. He's become a liability over a long period. He's still able to throw himself in front of the ball, but that's what you'd expect from a Sunday footballer. He keeps making those silly fouls which he and we are lucky he only gets called on when Dean refs. He's too often caught ball watching and he's too often caught out of position when he plays against a classy striker like Aguero. He's ok against Giraud or Lukako who have similarly limited skill, but Zlatan must already be rubbing his hands at the thought of a defender he can eat alive. So you want a defender that can cope against the best in the world, I don't think Boateng is available.. Shawcross will come good again and you'll cringe reading this back, he's given Stoke everything since he arrived and he deserves the fans loyalty at least |
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Post by Stoke711 on Aug 24, 2016 12:01:47 GMT
Is parking the myth, like parking the bus then? So what we really need to do is get Pulis to park it |
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Post by maxdecarlo on Aug 24, 2016 12:19:03 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2016 12:27:12 GMT
I've seen people saying after the Man City game that his time is done and we need to look for replacements. To me that's not a fair way to treat our captain who gave us the time, we owe it him back. I'll say this, if we don't look and put in place a defender who is capable of replacing him then the manager and the coaching staff are being negligent.
Ryan is clearly not fully fit and is out of form and is being targeted by the refs as usual at the start of the season like he is some sort of antichrist to defending.
We don't have 2 good centre backs never mind rest Ryan and put a third one in.
Farcical situation for a team who have finished 9th three seasons in a row. Perhaps we can play 11 mid fielders as we seem to collect them while providing a retirement home for past it strikers who fail year on year to score enough goals.
I've spoken about this before when you have had a serious injury it takes a long time to mentally trust that injury from not going again. The problem is we have NO adequate cover while that is done.
If he wasn't fully fit he wouldn't have featured last night. He's too important to us to risk. Ryan is fit. He simply hasn't being playing as well as we know he can. He will soon be back to his best and talk of his demise will be proven a tad premature and ridiculously OTT. |
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Post by abhill on Aug 24, 2016 12:45:13 GMT
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 24, 2016 12:48:27 GMT
Ryan will probably have to "manage" his back for the rest of his career, just like Rio Ferdinand did for the last 5 years or so of his. He seems fit in terms of lasting the pace of a game, but straight line fitness is different to the twisting and turning that the likes of Aguero make you do that may be affected.
Early days in the season, and Ryan deserves a huge benefit of the doubt for all he has done at Stoke, but we may have already seen the very best of him, and now have to be content with a slightly inferior, but still very good most of the time, version. The key will be his ability to last for a regular stretch of 10-15 games, which should hopefully give him confidence that his back will hold out, give him the chance to forget about it whilst playing.
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Post by tonedepear on Aug 24, 2016 12:56:41 GMT
He hurt his knee, and went off about 10 mins later from memory, which had all the hallmarks of a precautionary sub seeing as we were (even by our standards) unlikely to fuck it up at that stage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 17:21:41 GMT
I'll say this, if we don't look and put in place a defender who is capable of replacing him then the manager and the coaching staff are being negligent.
Ryan is clearly not fully fit and is out of form and is being targeted by the refs as usual at the start of the season like he is some sort of antichrist to defending.
We don't have 2 good centre backs never mind rest Ryan and put a third one in.
Farcical situation for a team who have finished 9th three seasons in a row. Perhaps we can play 11 mid fielders as we seem to collect them while providing a retirement home for past it strikers who fail year on year to score enough goals.
I've spoken about this before when you have had a serious injury it takes a long time to mentally trust that injury from not going again. The problem is we have NO adequate cover while that is done.
If he wasn't fully fit he wouldn't have featured last night. He's too important to us to risk. Ryan is fit. He simply hasn't being playing as well as we know he can. He will soon be back to his best and talk of his demise will be proven a tad premature and ridiculously OTT. Do you not believe that his lack of form could be down to playing well within himself due to fear of breaking down again at anytime? That's definitely how it looks to me. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2016 19:16:14 GMT
If he wasn't fully fit he wouldn't have featured last night. He's too important to us to risk. Ryan is fit. He simply hasn't being playing as well as we know he can. He will soon be back to his best and talk of his demise will be proven a tad premature and ridiculously OTT. Do you not believe that his lack of form could be down to playing well within himself due to fear of breaking down again at anytime? That's definitely how it looks to me. No. I don't believe that for one minute. Given that he played last night, he's obviously fit to play and medically free of the back problem that kept him out last season. We wouldn't have risked him otherwise. I think what we have witnessed is a player recovering from back surgery and finding his feet again, a player who hasn't been at his best, a player who is perhaps focusing more on the games of his struggling team mates rather than his own game and we've probably been watching a player who isn't wholly happy with his current central defensive partner. Players lose form. Even the best of them. Ryan is one of the best centre halves in the league. He hasn't been playing well by his own exceptionally high standards. His back injury doesn't spell the end for him. His current form isn't that of a player who will never return to former glories. He's out of form. He'll be back to his imperious best soon. Of that I have no doubt. I will boldly predict now that Ryan will have his best game of the season when he comes face to face with Zlatan again. He's simply that type of character. That will be the contest he will be looking forward to more than any other. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 24, 2016 20:13:45 GMT
If we give Ryan a chance to play along a different centre back, not wolly, I think we'll see his form improve.
I do think he is not moving freely but he is someone who relies on reading the game well anyway, his decision making is being affected by his discomfort at playing with Wollscheid
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