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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 14:39:36 GMT
Just got back and watching what they said on sky at the end. He said what i've being saying on here for about two years now.
What the fuck is Whelan doing at the front post on free kicks and corners. He was at fault along with Wolly for their second because of it. Why does he stand 'in the hole' at the front post. He's not tall enough and never wins a bloody header be it a free kick or corner. Shocking every time he does it.
When we do have crouch on the pitch, he goes there and heads everything clear. Whelan, please get off that front post, you're a nightmare at it. I think Wenger even said a year or so ago, that they had targeted it in one of their home games against us and they scored from.
And why the hell can't we go Zonal on corners? Ryan wouldn't know what the hell to do!!! He'd get the shakes having no bugger to mark, but at least he/we wouldn't be holding, again!
I said on here a few weeks ago, that when someone is taking a corner, if any stoke player is looking at their man instead of the ball on the corner spot i'd fine him two weeks wages, what do they do again!!!
Bloody fuming. School boy defending and a new back four needed, quick.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 20, 2016 14:43:03 GMT
I was there for all the match today and I could swear they didn't score from a corner. As for Whelan he wasn't our main problem today. Gouranga.  |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 14:46:57 GMT
I was there for all the match today and I could swear they didn't score from a corner. As for Whelan he wasn't our main problem today. Gouranga. Were you there for their second? A free kick, as my post above said. Read before you type. Look back at goals against from free kicks and corners. Look at how many he fucks up doing nothing but confusion at the front post. We have conceded loads from near post runs and flick ons and he needs taking off the near post immediately. Listen to Souness after the game if you want proof. Being saying it for ages now. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 20, 2016 14:51:12 GMT
Sounds like some people are looking for a scapegoat today. As for Souness I couldn't give a rats shit pile what he has to say, anything he spouts isn't any sort of proof of anything he's just a wank failure of a Jock manager. Gouranga. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 14:54:44 GMT
Sounds like some people are looking for a scapegoat today. As for Souness I couldn't give a rats shit pile what he has to say, anything he spouts isn't any sort of proof of anything he's just a wank failure of a Jock manager. Gouranga. Yeh, that's right, just ignore the facts and footage on show. Nothing to do with scapegoats. I've been saying it about near post doing nothing for two years. It's the same for Ireland as well. He takes himself onto the near post and does fuck all. We need a big bugger on the near post, not to mark anyone, but to make it a great corner to get it past the big man. Needs changing now. Like i said oppostion managers have highlighted it before in interviews, like wenger. |
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Post by trentvale68 on Aug 20, 2016 14:55:59 GMT
We're shit at taking corners & defending them
Whoever would have thought it - its not as if its ever been pointed out before.
It's a repetitive thread but the points are valid
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Post by mattface on Aug 20, 2016 14:57:21 GMT
We're shit at taking corners & defending them Whoever would have thought it - its not as if its ever been pointed out before. It's a repetitive thread but the points are valid Yep the one where Allen nearly scored direct from a corner was shocking |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 20, 2016 14:57:56 GMT
So Souness' opinion has suddenly become fact has it, just because it suits your agenda doesn't make it fact, BTW if you want a fact it was Dier who said it last season after the 2-2 draw at Spurs. Like I said some people are always looking for a scapegoat. Gouranga. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 15:00:06 GMT
We're shit at taking corners & defending them Whoever would have thought it - its not as if its ever been pointed out before. It's a repetitive thread but the points are valid They are mate, and i'm sick of saying it on here. Having watched Souness going over the goals, i'm bloody fuming that it's happened again. I can see it, pundits can see it, and Hughes after the game on sky said he saw how bad it was for the second goal. Do something about it then Mark and take the bugger off front post duty!! |
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Post by ayem on Aug 20, 2016 15:00:10 GMT
Sounds like some people are looking for a scapegoat today. As for Souness I couldn't give a rats shit pile what he has to say, anything he spouts isn't any sort of proof of anything he's just a wank failure of a Jock manager. Gouranga. Scape goat or not, whelans head was first to the ball. Shouldve been cleared. 1st man on the line and first head to the ball, first to receive blame. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 20, 2016 15:00:35 GMT
We're shit at taking corners & defending them Whoever would have thought it - its not as if its ever been pointed out before. It's a repetitive thread but the points are valid Yep the one where Allen nearly scored direct from a corner was shocking And don't forget the absolute dog shit corner which Allen took and we won a penalty from and the absolute wank free kick we scored from last week. Gouranga. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 15:02:07 GMT
So Souness' opinion has suddenly become fact has it, just because it suits your agenda doesn't make it fact, BTW if you want a fact it was Dier who said it last season after the 2-2 draw at Spurs. Like I said some people are always looking for a scapegoat. Gouranga. No Souness talks sense, unlike you! He's picked up on what i've been saying for ages so no agenda from me, just facts from goals conceded time after time. So Dier has said it as well then? Add that to the Arsenal camp saying it then. We can't all be wrong and have scapegoats. |
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Aug 20, 2016 15:07:05 GMT
So Souness' opinion has suddenly become fact has it, just because it suits your agenda doesn't make it fact, BTW if you want a fact it was Dier who said it last season after the 2-2 draw at Spurs. Like I said some people are always looking for a scapegoat. Gouranga. No Souness talks sense, unlike you! He's picked up on what i've been saying for ages so no agenda from me, just facts from goals conceded time after time. So Dier has said it as well then? Add that to the Arsenal camp saying it then. We can't all be wrong and have scapegoats. God you're boring and disillusioned - so Souness (the wank failed Jock manager) has picked up on what you've been saying on here for ages has he? Well Graham wank manager Souness considering you must be reading sportsmans posts all the time on here I think you're wrong (which certainly won't be the first time) as well as a wank jock manager. Gouranga. |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 15:09:11 GMT
No Souness talks sense, unlike you! He's picked up on what i've been saying for ages so no agenda from me, just facts from goals conceded time after time. So Dier has said it as well then? Add that to the Arsenal camp saying it then. We can't all be wrong and have scapegoats. God you're boring and disillusioned - so Souness (the wank failed Jock manager) has picked up on what you've been saying on here for ages has he? Well Graham wank manager Souness considering you must be reading sportsmans posts all the time on here I think you're wrong (which certainly won't be the first time) as well as a wank jock manager. Gouranga. Great post that does nothing to defend what is obvious and what we're on about if you watch the gaols back, from last season as well if you want. |
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Post by march4 on Aug 20, 2016 15:31:38 GMT
Players stand where LMH tells them to stand on set pieces.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 15:34:28 GMT
Players stand where LMH tells them to stand on set pieces. No doubt. Doesn't stop the fact he needs removing from the near post though. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 20, 2016 16:01:34 GMT
Just got back and watching what they said on sky at the end. He said what i've being saying on here for about two years now. What the fuck is Whelan doing at the front post on free kicks and corners. He was at fault along with Wolly for their second because of it. Why does he stand 'in the hole' at the front post. He's not tall enough and never wins a bloody header be it a free kick or corner. Shocking every time he does it. When we do have crouch on the pitch, he goes there and heads everything clear. Whelan, please get off that front post, you're a nightmare at it. I think Wenger even said a year or so ago, that they had targeted it in one of their home games against us and they scored from. And why the hell can't we go Zonal on corners? Ryan wouldn't know what the hell to do!!! He'd get the shakes having no bugger to mark, but at least he/we wouldn't be holding, again! I said on here a few weeks ago, that when someone is taking a corner, if any stoke player is looking at their man instead of the ball on the corner spot i'd fine him two weeks wages, what do they do again!!! Bloody fuming. School boy defending and a new back four needed, quick. Wooly wasn't at fault and Souness didn't blame him. If Whelan isn't marking Aguero then someone else should have been. Wooly was on Kolarov. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 20, 2016 16:04:42 GMT
Just got back and watching what they said on sky at the end. He said what i've being saying on here for about two years now. What the fuck is Whelan doing at the front post on free kicks and corners. He was at fault along with Wolly for their second because of it. Why does he stand 'in the hole' at the front post. He's not tall enough and never wins a bloody header be it a free kick or corner. Shocking every time he does it. When we do have crouch on the pitch, he goes there and heads everything clear. Whelan, please get off that front post, you're a nightmare at it. I think Wenger even said a year or so ago, that they had targeted it in one of their home games against us and they scored from. And why the hell can't we go Zonal on corners? Ryan wouldn't know what the hell to do!!! He'd get the shakes having no bugger to mark, but at least he/we wouldn't be holding, again! I said on here a few weeks ago, that when someone is taking a corner, if any stoke player is looking at their man instead of the ball on the corner spot i'd fine him two weeks wages, what do they do again!!! Bloody fuming. School boy defending and a new back four needed, quick. Wooly wasn't at fault and Souness didn't blame him. If Whelan isn't marking Aguero then someone else should have been. Wooly was on Kolarov. Just heard Mark Hughes say that both players allowed their men to get between them so they are equally to blame according to that |
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 16:05:02 GMT
Just got back and watching what they said on sky at the end. He said what i've being saying on here for about two years now. What the fuck is Whelan doing at the front post on free kicks and corners. He was at fault along with Wolly for their second because of it. Why does he stand 'in the hole' at the front post. He's not tall enough and never wins a bloody header be it a free kick or corner. Shocking every time he does it. When we do have crouch on the pitch, he goes there and heads everything clear. Whelan, please get off that front post, you're a nightmare at it. I think Wenger even said a year or so ago, that they had targeted it in one of their home games against us and they scored from. And why the hell can't we go Zonal on corners? Ryan wouldn't know what the hell to do!!! He'd get the shakes having no bugger to mark, but at least he/we wouldn't be holding, again! I said on here a few weeks ago, that when someone is taking a corner, if any stoke player is looking at their man instead of the ball on the corner spot i'd fine him two weeks wages, what do they do again!!! Bloody fuming. School boy defending and a new back four needed, quick. Wooly wasn't at fault and Souness didn't blame him. If Whelan isn't marking Aguero then someone else should have been. Wooly was on Kolarov. But Whelan doesn't mark anyone near post. He just defends 'the hole' as front man. If you stick say a crouch at the near post, it has to be a hell of a corner or free kick to get it whipped past him. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 20, 2016 16:06:40 GMT
Wooly wasn't at fault and Souness didn't blame him. If Whelan isn't marking Aguero then someone else should have been. Wooly was on Kolarov. But Whelan doesn't mark anyone near post. He just defends 'the hole' as front man. If you stick say a crouch at the near post, it has to be a hell of a corner or free kick to get it whipped past him. Not disputing that. Must do better but we've got to mark people as well and Aguero had a free header because we didn't set up right. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 16:06:50 GMT
Wooly wasn't at fault and Souness didn't blame him. If Whelan isn't marking Aguero then someone else should have been. Wooly was on Kolarov. But Whelan doesn't mark anyone near post. He just defends 'the hole' as front man. If you stick say a crouch at the near post, it has to be a hell of a corner or free kick to get it whipped past him. It's just basic stuff really isn't it. Our failure to learn is disappointing. |
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 20, 2016 16:08:33 GMT
Wooly wasn't at fault and Souness didn't blame him. If Whelan isn't marking Aguero then someone else should have been. Wooly was on Kolarov. Just heard Mark Hughes say that both players allowed their men to get between them so they are equally to blame according to that Don't quite understand that either. I don't think Kolarov would've scored because wooly seemed to be on him and have it covered. Maybe Hughes is covering his arse because we've failed to set up correctly and given someone who scores goals for fun a free header. |
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Post by iplayinthehole on Aug 20, 2016 16:10:16 GMT
Assumed Souness had done some impromptu and quite impressive DIY live on Sky.
Disappointed now
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 16:10:58 GMT
But Whelan doesn't mark anyone near post. He just defends 'the hole' as front man. If you stick say a crouch at the near post, it has to be a hell of a corner or free kick to get it whipped past him. It's just basic stuff really isn't it. Our failure to learn is disappointing. And as pointed out above, even eric dier and arsenal have come out and said they have targeted it. What are we playing at. Whelan should be man enough to say 'boss, put someone else there as i'm useless at it'. I'll be amazed if he's anywhere near the front post on corners and free kicks in the future. |
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2016 16:33:32 GMT
Absolutely agree with Sportsman.........Whelan defending in that position was a disaster today and on numerous occasions last year.......it needs a rethink with someone taller in that space.
Can't believe the coaching staff can't see it and have not changed it!
Ned
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Post by andylgr on Aug 20, 2016 16:48:41 GMT
Whelans coming in for some stick today. Some of it unnecessary I feel. Maybe he's put as the front man because he's a decent header of the ball, hes definitely won his fair share there in the times he's had that role. But if the delivery is good enough then the opposition will beat the front man every time, no matter who's there.
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2016 16:51:05 GMT
Not giving Whelan stick just ,asking the observation.......can't we try somebody taller there?
Ned
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2016 16:51:31 GMT
Making the observation lol.....
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 20, 2016 16:56:50 GMT
If you look at all the goals we've conceded from set-pieces over the last 12 months (and there's plenty of them), the majority come from the front post. Teams have figured out that we don't defend the front post well and have exploited it numerous times.
So why haven't the coaching staff done anything about it? Hughes has once again tried to deflect the blame from himself by saying that it's down to individual errors. It's about time he started taking some responsibility.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 17:00:28 GMT
Whelans coming in for some stick today. Some of it unnecessary I feel. Maybe he's put as the front man because he's a decent header of the ball, hes definitely won his fair share there in the times he's had that role. But if the delivery is good enough then the opposition will beat the front man every time, no matter who's there. Bollocks. Whelan never wins a header on the near post. And like I said, if crouch or alike is on the front post it has to be a great delivery to pass him. At the moment a shit delivery from a set piece is dangerous. So obvious it's unbelievable. |
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