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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 20, 2016 17:02:02 GMT
Wasnt he there under Tony as well? He was stood there all the time
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 20, 2016 17:15:11 GMT
Sounds like some people are looking for a scapegoat today. As for Souness I couldn't give a rats shit pile what he has to say, anything he spouts isn't any sort of proof of anything he's just a wank failure of a Jock manager. Gouranga. Yeh, that's right, just ignore the facts and footage on show. Nothing to do with scapegoats. I've been saying it about near post doing nothing for two years. It's the same for Ireland as well. He takes himself onto the near post and does fuck all. We need a big bugger on the near post, not to mark anyone, but to make it a great corner to get it past the big man. Needs changing now. Like i said oppostion managers have highlighted it before in interviews, like wenger. "The same for Ireland"?? When was that, the one game he has started in about the last 4 years
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Aug 20, 2016 17:15:39 GMT
If you look at all the goals we've conceded from set-pieces over the last 12 months (and there's plenty of them), the majority come from the front post. Teams have figured out that we don't defend the front post well and have exploited it numerous times. So why haven't the coaching staff done anything about it? Hughes has once again tried to deflect the blame from himself by saying that it's down to individual errors. It's about time he started taking some responsibility. Dead right he should, we have the same problems that we had at the tail end of last season and appears to have done little to address the situation, its all very well to say we always start slowly, but I want to know why that should be so, the team look under prepared and badly coached due in the main to the managers complacency.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 17:17:36 GMT
Yeh, that's right, just ignore the facts and footage on show. Nothing to do with scapegoats. I've been saying it about near post doing nothing for two years. It's the same for Ireland as well. He takes himself onto the near post and does fuck all. We need a big bugger on the near post, not to mark anyone, but to make it a great corner to get it past the big man. Needs changing now. Like i said oppostion managers have highlighted it before in interviews, like wenger. "The same for Ireland"?? When was that, the one game he has started in about the last 4 years What the Fuck you on about?
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 20, 2016 17:18:36 GMT
Not giving Whelan stick just ,asking the observation.......can't we try somebody taller there? Ned We haven't got many taller players in the preferred line up who are not required for marking in the centre. You might think it should be Imbula but he doesn't like heading the ball
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 20, 2016 17:20:00 GMT
"The same for Ireland"?? When was that, the one game he has started in about the last 4 years What the Fuck you on about? I was being ironic, suggesting you were talking about our Stephen. Obviously lost on you...
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Post by neddy on Aug 20, 2016 17:20:55 GMT
Not giving Whelan stick just ,asking the observation.......can't we try somebody taller there? Ned We haven't got many taller players in the preferred line up who are not required for marking in the centre. You might think it should be Imbula but he doesn't like heading the ball Hmmm agree but something needs to be done as it is costing us regularly?
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 20, 2016 17:26:03 GMT
We haven't got many taller players in the preferred line up who are not required for marking in the centre. You might think it should be Imbula but he doesn't like heading the ball Hmmm agree but something needs to be done as it is costing us regularly? No, I agree but I am not sure what the answer is and neither it seems does Hughes.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 17:28:30 GMT
What the Fuck you on about? I was being ironic, suggesting you were talking about our Stephen. Obviously lost on you... Ah sorry mate, it was lost on me.
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 17:29:52 GMT
So Souness' opinion has suddenly become fact has it, just because it suits your agenda doesn't make it fact, BTW if you want a fact it was Dier who said it last season after the 2-2 draw at Spurs. Like I said some people are always looking for a scapegoat. Gouranga. Maybe Marc Wilson was right we don't practice defending. No Souness talks sense, unlike you! He's picked up on what i've been saying for ages so no agenda from me, just facts from goals conceded time after time. So Dier has said it as well then? Add that to the Arsenal camp saying it then. We can't all be wrong and have scapegoats.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 17:30:36 GMT
Hmmm agree but something needs to be done as it is costing us regularly? No, I agree but I am not sure what the answer is and neither it seems does Hughes. I do and I never thought I'd say it. Zonal marking. We could stick a big fucker, or at least someone who has headed the ball in years, and Ryan wouldn't be able to grab anyone. He'd have the bloody shakes would Ryan!
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 17:33:17 GMT
Hmmm agree but something needs to be done as it is costing us regularly? No, I agree but I am not sure what the answer is and neither it seems does Hughes. How things have changed around we used to be the land of the Giants.Now we are one of the smallest teams in the league.Look at the size of Man U last night.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2016 17:41:37 GMT
Whelan as a rule wins a lot of the near post headers from corners.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 17:49:08 GMT
Whelan as a rule wins a lot of the near post headers from corners. You are joking aren't you? I can't recall one in years!
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2016 17:51:08 GMT
Whelan as a rule wins a lot of the near post headers from corners. You are joking aren't you? I can't recall one in years! I'm not talking about today but Whelan wins a lot of near post headers, I've commented many times on it at games.
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 17:55:58 GMT
It's the managers role to set the team up,or is Wilson right they have no defensive plan.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 17:58:17 GMT
You are joking aren't you? I can't recall one in years! I'm not talking about today but Whelan wins a lot of near post headers, I've commented many times on it at games. Then why has souness today, Eric dier, wenger, and more importantly me, come out and say it was targeted as a weakness? I honestly can't remember any header from him at the front post.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2016 18:02:18 GMT
I don't think Souness, Dier or Wenger have seen as many Stoke games as me. Like you, I can't produce stats as to how many near post clearing headers Whelan has made but I know I have seen him win a substantial number.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 18:06:33 GMT
I don't think Souness, Dier or Wenger have seen as many Stoke games as me. Like you, I can't produce stats as to how many near post clearing headers Whelan has made but I know I have seen him win a substantial number. But they have publicly said its a weakness so they must have picked up on it from watching how we're conceding.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 20, 2016 18:07:38 GMT
I'm not talking about today but Whelan wins a lot of near post headers, I've commented many times on it at games. Then why has souness today, Eric dier, wenger, and more importantly me, come out and say it was targeted as a weakness? I honestly can't remember any header from him at the front post. The evidence is stacking up that Hughes and co are neglecting some of the nuts and bolts, in pursuit of the bigger schwazz. Thought we'd started to do a bit set piece work, not sure. It infuriates me that we don't have one of our strikers on the half way line when the oppo have a corner. Bojan or Arnie occupying a defender or two. A pressure valve. Disagree with your call for rigorous searches mate. Mick wouldn't get his flares in.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 18:13:22 GMT
Then why has souness today, Eric dier, wenger, and more importantly me, come out and say it was targeted as a weakness? I honestly can't remember any header from him at the front post. The evidence is stacking up that Hughes and co are neglecting some of the nuts and bolts, in pursuit of the bigger schwazz. Thought we'd started to do a bit set piece work, not sure. It infuriates me that we don't have one of our strikers on the half way line when the oppo have a corner. Bojan or Arnie occupying a defender or two. A pressure valve. Disagree with your call for rigorous searches mate. Mick wouldn't get his flares in. Or his cans!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 18:21:11 GMT
Give me strenghth ffs is this the same Souness that punched a window at the Vic in 84 and hasnt managed for 20 years ?
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Post by no1972 on Aug 20, 2016 18:38:51 GMT
I don't think Souness, Dier or Wenger have seen as many Stoke games as me. Like you, I can't produce stats as to how many near post clearing headers Whelan has made but I know I have seen him win a substantial number. But they have publicly said its a weakness so they must have picked up on it from watching how we're conceding. The same videos that the sky people look at to give these pundits there info are available to our coaching staff,so if it's such a problem why has the manager not sorted.
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Post by sonichuth on Aug 20, 2016 18:41:48 GMT
What's with 'Gouranga' anyway?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 20, 2016 19:09:46 GMT
Whelans coming in for some stick today. Some of it unnecessary I feel. Maybe he's put as the front man because he's a decent header of the ball, hes definitely won his fair share there in the times he's had that role. But if the delivery is good enough then the opposition will beat the front man every time, no matter who's there. Bollocks. Whelan never wins a header on the near post. And like I said, if crouch or alike is on the front post it has to be a great delivery to pass him. At the moment a shit delivery from a set piece is dangerous. So obvious it's unbelievable. Unfortunately it's not American Football where you can bring on your 'corner defense team'. Unless you're advocating playing Crouch at defensive midfielder?
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Post by alster on Aug 20, 2016 19:13:36 GMT
Players stand where LMH tells them to stand on set pieces. No doubt. Doesn't stop the fact he needs removing though. Sorted that for you.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 20, 2016 19:20:17 GMT
But they have publicly said its a weakness so they must have picked up on it from watching how we're conceding. The same videos that the sky people look at to give these pundits there info are available to our coaching staff,so if it's such a problem why has the manager not sorted. That's the point. Why hasn't he sorted it? Is he thick or what?
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 19:20:18 GMT
But they have publicly said its a weakness so they must have picked up on it from watching how we're conceding. The same videos that the sky people look at to give these pundits there info are available to our coaching staff,so if it's such a problem why has the manager not sorted. Exactlt the point i'm making!
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 19:21:33 GMT
Bollocks. Whelan never wins a header on the near post. And like I said, if crouch or alike is on the front post it has to be a great delivery to pass him. At the moment a shit delivery from a set piece is dangerous. So obvious it's unbelievable. Unfortunately it's not American Football where you can bring on your 'corner defense team'. Unless you're advocating playing Crouch at defensive midfielder? Which is why i said alike?
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Post by sportsman on Aug 20, 2016 19:22:40 GMT
Give me strenghth ffs is this the same Souness that punched a window at the Vic in 84 and hasnt managed for 20 years ? Still talks a lot of sense and tells things how they are? What's your excuse for spurs and arsenal coming out after a game and saying they targeted it on us?
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