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Post by kevkj on Aug 13, 2016 21:00:52 GMT
I think everyone thought he was,he seems to be much more comfortable centrally.
Shame is we are overloaded with Allan,Imbula,Bojan,Adam
Personally i would play him in the number 10 ahead of Bojan but that leaves us again short of wingers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 21:13:16 GMT
He has a starting position / team formation position as the right side of a 3.
But that 3 should be fluid. Arnie, Bojan and Shaq are free to roam and create chances, our real wide men SHOULD be our fullbacks
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2016 21:14:31 GMT
He has a starting position / team formation position as the right side of a 3. But that 3 should be fluid. Arnie, Bojan and Shaq are free to roam and create chances, our real wide men SHOULD be our fullbacks Johnson does this very well Eric can do bar his crossing |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 21:15:44 GMT
I thought this today. It's becoming a bit of a problem up top.
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Post by kevkj on Aug 13, 2016 21:17:18 GMT
He has a starting position / team formation position as the right side of a 3. But that 3 should be fluid. Arnie, Bojan and Shaq are free to roam and create chances, our real wide men SHOULD be our fullbacks And their lies the problem. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 13, 2016 21:18:14 GMT
Could Imbula play on the right wing? He certainly got the close control and pace to do so! Then we could change between Shaq and Bojan, and play Glen and Allen in the middle too!  |
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 13, 2016 21:20:30 GMT
I think everyone thought he was,he seems to be much more comfortable centrally. Shame is we are overloaded with Allan,Imbula,Bojan,Adam Personally i would play him in the number 10 ahead of Bojan but that leaves us again short of wingers. Not sure about systems/tactics. One thing for sure he is "not" a winger or wide player as we understand. He will reap all the shit going for being labelled a "winger". And played wide. We have two players playing in wide positions whose natural instinct is to come inside. A pity we can't ask Leslie for an explanation that us cloth cap and whippet supporters can understand |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 21:21:36 GMT
Could Imbula play on the right wing? He certainly got the close control and pace to do so! Then we could change between Shaq and Bojan, and play Glen and Allen in the middle too! Imbula right wing?? You seriously couldn't make this up |
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 13, 2016 21:27:17 GMT
Could Imbula play on the right wing? He certainly got the close control and pace to do so! Then we could change between Shaq and Bojan, and play Glen and Allen in the middle too! Imbula right wing?? You seriously couldn't make this up Just a thought as I don't think Shaq is very effective out wide, and it would also free up a place for Allen. Think it is too much luxury to keep a £13M signing on the subs bench too! We also seem to be loaded with players for a certain position right now (Bojan, Shaq, Charlie, Allen, Afellay, Ireland), but do we really have a right winger? |
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Post by kevkj on Aug 13, 2016 21:29:17 GMT
As said all over width should come from fullbacks until we get better the system will struggle.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 13, 2016 21:30:00 GMT
Shaqiri, Bojan, Arnie.....all victims of the modernisation of football.
They've never had a "proper" position so they've never become experts in any single position.
The sooner 4 4 2 is back in vogue the better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2016 21:34:58 GMT
He has a starting position / team formation position as the right side of a 3. But that 3 should be fluid. Arnie, Bojan and Shaq are free to roam and create chances, our real wide men SHOULD be our fullbacks And their lies the problem. It's not just the fullbacks though. The system requires you to have pace and mobility in your centre half's and more importantly pace and mobility in your defensive midfielder, especially if you only really play one like we do. Our system is ripe for a pacy counter attack down whichever side the fullback has pushed on for our own attack. In theory that shouldn't be a problem. The centre half or Def mid just covers that position. If the centre half does then the Def mid covers centre half. The amount of times Shawcross and Wolly are there suggests we do the latter. Our problem is they aren't pacy enough and get done sometimes but more importantly Whelan doesn't cover them. That leaves one centre half covering their forward and us totally susceptible to a run in behind. That is why we look dragged all over the place needing the returning full back to try and cover. |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 14, 2016 6:10:05 GMT
And their lies the problem. It's not just the fullbacks though. The system requires you to have pace and mobility in your centre half's and more importantly pace and mobility in your defensive midfielder, especially if you only really play one like we do. Our system is ripe for a pacy counter attack down whichever side the fullback has pushed on for our own attack. In theory that shouldn't be a problem. The centre half or Def mid just covers that position. If the centre half does then the Def mid covers centre half. The amount of times Shawcross and Wolly are there suggests we do the latter. Our problem is they aren't pacy enough and get done sometimes but more importantly Whelan doesn't cover them. That leaves one centre half covering their forward and us totally susceptible to a run in behind. That is why we look dragged all over the place needing the returning full back to try and cover. If you can see that, why can't the manager? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 9:02:51 GMT
It's not just the fullbacks though. The system requires you to have pace and mobility in your centre half's and more importantly pace and mobility in your defensive midfielder, especially if you only really play one like we do. Our system is ripe for a pacy counter attack down whichever side the fullback has pushed on for our own attack. In theory that shouldn't be a problem. The centre half or Def mid just covers that position. If the centre half does then the Def mid covers centre half. The amount of times Shawcross and Wolly are there suggests we do the latter. Our problem is they aren't pacy enough and get done sometimes but more importantly Whelan doesn't cover them. That leaves one centre half covering their forward and us totally susceptible to a run in behind. That is why we look dragged all over the place needing the returning full back to try and cover. If you can see that, why can't the manager? I don't know but it kind of gives some credibility to Wilson's comments |
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 9:09:55 GMT
I think everyone thought he was,he seems to be much more comfortable centrally. Shame is we are overloaded with Allan,Imbula,Bojan,Adam Personally i would play him in the number 10 ahead of Bojan but that leaves us again short of wingers. I would have liked the option to sub Bojan off move Shaq into 10 and introduce Sobhi but where the hell was he? |
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Post by potterspele on Aug 14, 2016 9:17:36 GMT
The lad is 10 times better in the centre than out wide.
It should be Shaqiri in the middle with Bojan on the bench. I like Bojan but he consistently loses the ball and seems lackadaisical with his touch too often and to be honest I think Shaqiri is just a better player full stop.
Pretty much all the good spells in the second half came from Shaqiri drifting into the middle. He looks for the pass into the penalty area and can drop it into the gap bdtween defenders and the keeper which I really think would benefit Diouf.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 14, 2016 9:22:59 GMT
Who are Barcelona's wingers?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 14, 2016 9:40:18 GMT
The lad is 10 times better in the centre than out wide. It should be Shaqiri in the middle with Bojan on the bench. I like Bojan but he consistently loses the ball and seems lackadaisical with his touch too often and to be honest I think Shaqiri is just a better player full stop. Pretty much all the good spells in the second half came from Shaqiri drifting into the middle. He looks for the pass into the penalty area and can drop it into the gap bdtween defenders and the keeper which I really think would benefit Diouf. Probably was the idea with Redmond so again the poor transfer performance bites us . |
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Post by imho on Aug 14, 2016 9:40:45 GMT
Stop this fixation with having 2 wingers.
Have just one (and that's going to be arnie) then let bojan and Shaq fight it out for the middle. With just a right sided midfielder to help with the defensive side of things.
Keep saying bojan played his best consistent football when walters was on the right.
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Post by no1972 on Aug 14, 2016 9:42:53 GMT
Play the players in there best positions,MH has brought these players into the club with no plan of were to play them.We have too many players who play in the same positions.Shaqiri is no winger and us playing him out there is not fair on him.He needs to be in the action areas of the pitch,not getting frustrated out on the wing.The team needs a out and out winger,at this moment we don't have one.So I would drop Bojan put Shaqiri in the No10 role and SJW out wide until we get a proper winger,Shaqiri can then spend his time at the top of the pitch not helping out his fullbacks which SJW does well.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 14, 2016 10:04:02 GMT
Play the players in there best positions,MH has brought these players into the club with no plan of were to play them.We have too many players who play in the same positions.Shaqiri is no winger and us playing him out there is not fair on him.He needs to be in the action areas of the pitch,not getting frustrated out on the wing.The team needs a out and out winger,at this moment we don't have one.So I would drop Bojan put Shaqiri in the No10 role and SJW out wide until we get a proper winger,Shaqiri can then spend his time at the top of the pitch not helping out his fullbacks which SJW does well. Hughes is obsessed with signing midfielders, Pulis was obsessed with signing CB's, we are lacking balance in the squad with players who do not fit the system he is looking to employ, without going out and throwing buckets full of cash at least four new signings something has to change. |
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Post by alster on Aug 14, 2016 10:09:43 GMT
Play the players in there best positions,MH has brought these players into the club with no plan of were to play them.We have too many players who play in the same positions.Shaqiri is no winger and us playing him out there is not fair on him.He needs to be in the action areas of the pitch,not getting frustrated out on the wing.The team needs a out and out winger,at this moment we don't have one.So I would drop Bojan put Shaqiri in the No10 role and SJW out wide until we get a proper winger,Shaqiri can then spend his time at the top of the pitch not helping out his fullbacks which SJW does well. Hughes is obsessed with signing midfielders, Pulis was obsessed with signing CB's, we are lacking balance in the squad with players who do not fit the system he is looking to employ, without going out and throwing buckets full of cash at least four new signings something has to change. Pulis signed loads of Centre Backs because he deploys them right across the back four. Hughes doesn't seem overly obsessed with midfielders as far as I can see, seems to me you just don't like the type of players he signs. |
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 14, 2016 10:12:58 GMT
After yesterday's showing Shaqiri gets the number 10 role without a doubt. The game changed and he was turning defenders with his passes and positioning (more importantly he releases the ball quickly and doesn't hold on to it for days as Bojan tried to).
Bojan should either replace Diouf up top who was anonymous, be forced out right like Shaqiri always is, or benched. Allowing them to fight over number 10 is an outrageous suggestion as it will leave our right side completely unprotected and the whole side unbalanced.
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Post by muglump on Aug 14, 2016 10:15:12 GMT
We miss johnson more than any other player simple as. We were loads better when he played
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Post by ethers26 on Aug 14, 2016 10:19:50 GMT
Also (and I'm not sure where this can be merged), the hole behind our midfielders (because imbula doesn't track and whelan hasn't the legs) is colossal. It allows the premier leagues most dangerous players (CAMs) to pick their pass/shot without pressure every time, or time to just run and turn one of the immobile centre halves with ease (because they're left completely exposed by their CMs and full backs who BOTH go galloping away in possession).
As for the full backs, either one goes and the other stays; we get a new full back for Eric; or one of the midfield drop in. When none of these options are apparent, and we leave two immobile centre halves completely exposed with tonnes of space to run at them, we're f@cked.
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Post by no1972 on Aug 14, 2016 10:34:42 GMT
After yesterday's showing Shaqiri gets the number 10 role without a doubt. The game changed and he was turning defenders with his passes and positioning (more importantly he releases the ball quickly and doesn't hold on to it for days as Bojan tried to). Bojan should either replace Diouf up top who was anonymous, be forced out right like Shaqiri always is, or benched. Allowing them to fight over number 10 is an outrageous suggestion as it will leave our right side completely unprotected and the whole side unbalanced. Every thing you say is correct,I assume you were there because you could see this ,also the big gaps in the midfield.We need to play the best players in there best positions. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 10:37:40 GMT
Also (and I'm not sure where this can be merged), the hole behind our midfielders (because imbula doesn't track and whelan hasn't the legs) is colossal. It allows the premier leagues most dangerous players (CAMs) to pick their pass/shot without pressure every time, or time to just run and turn one of the immobile centre halves with ease (because they're left completely exposed by their CMs and full backs who BOTH go galloping away in possession). Did we sign Allen to address this? |
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Post by juiceandbits on Aug 14, 2016 10:38:58 GMT
Some of us were saying this last season. It's no coincidence that his best performances in the Euros were when he moved into the middle - and likewise for us. Note his performance against Man City last season.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 14, 2016 10:53:17 GMT
Neither is Arnie - we don't play with traditional wingers. If the issue is the formation why pick out Shaqiri for not doing a job he isn't being asked to do?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 14, 2016 11:00:42 GMT
Stop this fixation with having 2 wingers. Have just one (and that's going to be arnie) then let bojan and Shaq fight it out for the middle. With just a right sided midfielder to help with the defensive side of things. Keep saying bojan played his best consistent football when walters was on the right. Walters was actually playing up front when bojan hit his golden spell of form. |
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