N'goy

[no1972]

I would rather us have him in and around the squad getting the odd appearance than spend 20 million on a player who goes on strike if he does not get what he wants.

[Staffsoatcake]

Will MH put any of the young lads on the bench early on, or will he wait until we have enough points in the bag?
I suppose he could play them in the early rounds of the League Cup, depending on who we are drawn against.

[boskampsflaps]

Jul 23, 2016 20:00:23 GMT no1972 said:

I would rather us have him in and around the squad getting the odd appearance than spend 20 million on a player who goes on strike if he does not get what he wants.

Yeh who wants a striker that can score regularly.

[no1972]

Jul 23, 2016 20:07:53 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Jul 23, 2016 20:00:23 GMT no1972 said:

I would rather us have him in and around the squad getting the odd appearance than spend 20 million on a player who goes on strike if he does not get what he wants.

Yeh who wants a striker that can score regularly.

So we should just buy players from other clubs,if N'goy is given a chance he may be our Harry Kane.If we follow your suddgestion we might as well shut the acadamy .

[boskampsflaps]

Jul 23, 2016 20:13:59 GMT no1972 said:

Jul 23, 2016 20:07:53 GMT boskampsflaps said:

Yeh who wants a striker that can score regularly.

So we should just buy players from other clubs,if N'goy is given a chance he may be our Harry Kane.If we follow your suddgestion we might as well shut the acadamy .

We need a striker that can score goals now, nothing wrong with N'goy being on the bench and getting some game time, but we can't rely on him, he's still very young and not proven at any level.

My suggestion has nothing to do with ignoring the academy or shutting it down, a bit of an over reaction don't you think.

[somersetstokie]

I expect it will happen some time soon and a player will successfully come through the Academy. The talk today is about N'Goy, but this time last year it was all about Moha, and the amazing pace and skill he was demonstrating in training. Still it hasn't happened for him yet.

I think it is interesting that a lot of these supposed prospects are wing players or widemen, like Dom Telford. We have them on our books yet we are still trying to bring in players like Sobhi in front of them, so it doesn't look as though we will see an academy "graduate" appear this season.

[bayernoatcake]

Jul 24, 2016 10:54:19 GMT somersetstokie said:

I expect it will happen some time soon and a player will successfully come through the Academy. The talk today is about N'Goy, but this time last year it was all about Moha, and the amazing pace and skill he was demonstrating in training. Still it hasn't happened for him yet.

I think it is interesting that a lot of these supposed prospects are wing players or widemen, like Dom Telford. We have them on our books yet we are still trying to bring in players like Sobhi in front of them, so it doesn't look as though we will see an academy "graduate" appear this season.

Telford and N'Goy are both strikers.

[Clem Fandango]

Jul 24, 2016 11:02:57 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Jul 24, 2016 10:54:19 GMT somersetstokie said:

I expect it will happen some time soon and a player will successfully come through the Academy. The talk today is about N'Goy, but this time last year it was all about Moha, and the amazing pace and skill he was demonstrating in training. Still it hasn't happened for him yet.

I think it is interesting that a lot of these supposed prospects are wing players or widemen, like Dom Telford. We have them on our books yet we are still trying to bring in players like Sobhi in front of them, so it doesn't look as though we will see an academy "graduate" appear this season.

Telford and N'Goy are both strikers.

Seems like the route to the first team could be that wide right position which isn't great for two young lads trying to learn but it's difficult to see how one could get past Diouf, Joselu, Crouch, Walters and Berahino if he signed.

I'd very disappointed if he don't get a couple around the first team and a couple out on loan this season. I'd like to see Taylor as a back up to Pieters. Shenton I think could do with a loan given the number of players we've got in that advanced midfielder/ number 10 role.

[primmerz]

Very impressed by what i've seen of N'Goy, could definitely be in and around the first team and hopefully he continues to progress well.

[Deleted]

Looks prospect - not ready yet though

ran into a few blind alleys - you cannot afford in the premier league

but yes = potential to be a first team player

[ryan4england]

Jul 24, 2016 11:46:20 GMT @ukyestoney said:

Looks prospect - not ready yet though

ran into a few blind alleys - you cannot afford in the premier league

but yes = potential to be a first team player

You can't improve unless you get the chance though, I said before it's about time some of these younger players got a chance from the bench & N'Goy sounds one of these

[Trouserdog]

All the promising young lads (N'Goy, Lecygne, Shenton, Taylor) need a loan spell in The Championship before we can start getting excited about them.

I'd try to get all of them loaned out somewhere where they'll get games (League One if necessary) then review the situation after Christmas.

[Deleted]

NGoy is ready now imo

[mrcoke]

Jul 24, 2016 14:26:30 GMT Trouserdog said:

All the promising young lads (N'Goy, Lecygne, Shenton, Taylor) need a loan spell in The Championship before we can start getting excited about them.

I'd try to get all of them loaned out somewhere where they'll get games (League One if necessary) then review the situation after Christmas.

You are right in principle, however occasionally an exceptional talent comes along who is worthy of going straight into the first team. The latest is Rashford, we've seen others like Rooney. If they are good enough then they will make it.

[charlesjefferson]

It would be absolutely wonderful if a young lad from our academy has enough quality and gets into our first team.

However i've witnessed this sort of pre-season/friendly/reserve game excitement many times before and it very rarely happens that a young player finds a spot in our starting XI these days. The stakes are too high.

At best it'll be a spot on the bench (Shenton and that other lad who i forget the name of away at Villa) if we have a long injury list.

Sorry to be so unromantic but nowadays in the big money Premier League that we're a part of, we're investing huge amounts of cash on players and on their wages. So much so that we're not going to consider "dropping" a fit Shaqiri, Bojan, Diouf, Shawcross, Arnautovic, Affelay, Pieters, Imbula, Whelan, or even a Joselu, Adam, Crouch or an Ireland to see how some young lad who has looked good in the reserves or half of a friendly match will do.

It's too big a risk for us and when the season gets underway i'd say that if we're genuinely considering playing an untested teenager from our Academy in the Premier League then we have a few problems.

Either we have a massive injury list or we've royally screwed up during the transfer window.

A Rashford is an exception that proves a rule, this lad only played because most of Man Utd were crocked and fortunately for them he proved to be a goalscorer. I wonder how his chances will be next season if Mourinho signs a couple of heavy duty front men in the next few weeks.

Once the season is underway we'll have forgotten that our academy players exist (sorry) as Butland, Shawcross, Pieters, Shaqiri, Imbula, Diouf, Bojan and (hopefully) new signings etc. take the field.

That all sounded really negative so i apologies for that but it's pretty accurate, i think anyway.

[mrcoke]

My head says you're right Chas, but we can dream. Such players do very occasionally come along, maybe N'Goy is one,  maybe Ramadan, time will tell.

[Deleted]

i've witnessed this sort of pre-season/friendly/reserve game excitement many times before too, but I'll go as far as to say, I think this lad has what it takes to soon be better than our first team never mind loaned out to lower divisions

[vahl]

Jul 24, 2016 14:30:49 GMT @marymoistspongeberry said:

NGoy is ready now imo

You don't really know until you throw them in though.

We stole him from under the noses of Real Madrid, Arsenal et al which shows how highly rated he's been as a youth - those scouts won't waste their time unless you've got something clubs of that stature like.

Needs polish and first-team training/games but, he has a few of the qualities you would be paying £20m+ for in any other given situation. One's you can't really teach.

Depending on the Berahino situation, hopefully we see his name on the first-team score sheet some time soon.

[ryan4england]

Rashford was thrown straight in, the rest as they say, is history. We need players like this around the first team that will bust a gut every game because they have it all to prove.

Harry Kane did nothing on loan either them he's a different player playing for spurs overnight.

Ngoy deserves his chance imo

[Deleted]

Jul 24, 2016 17:07:30 GMT ryan4england said:

Rashford was thrown straight in, the rest as they say, is history. We need players like this around the first team that will bust a gut every game because they have it all to prove.

Harry Kane did nothing on loan either them he's a different player playing for spurs overnight.

Ngoy deserves his chance imo

Rashford is a one in a million, how many 16-17 years old burst on the scene like that.

Rooney, Walcott and bale are the o my others that spring to mind.

You can't base "he's ready" on 45 minutes against lower league opposition in a friendly.

[ryan4england]

Jul 24, 2016 17:10:30 GMT @mrdog said:

Jul 24, 2016 17:07:30 GMT ryan4england said:

Rashford was thrown straight in, the rest as they say, is history. We need players like this around the first team that will bust a gut every game because they have it all to prove.

Harry Kane did nothing on loan either them he's a different player playing for spurs overnight.

Ngoy deserves his chance imo

Rashford is a one in a million, how many 16-17 years old burst on the scene like that.

Rooney, Walcott and bale are the o my others that spring to mind.

You can't base "he's ready" on 45 minutes against lower league opposition in a friendly.

He won't be ready if he never gets a chance though will he, I dont see the harm in 20/25 mins reguarly at the end of games tbh.

This league's defences are shit, of he had the chance to get minutes in first team competitive matches with better players he'd probably surprise a few. One thing is for sure, he won't if he doesn't.

Not many young players even get a chance because prem clubs tend to want to spend, so I think rashford being ' 1 in a million ' is inaccurate tbh

[ryan4england]

If you're good enough you're old enough as they say

[heworksardtho]

Jul 24, 2016 17:17:59 GMT ryan4england said:

If you're good enough you're old enough as they say

That's what Adam Johnson also says

[ryan4england]

Jul 24, 2016 17:23:14 GMT heworksardtho said:

Jul 24, 2016 17:17:59 GMT ryan4england said:

If you're good enough you're old enough as they say

That's what Adam Johnson also says

it's true though, should give him regular later minutes , last 20 minutes etc in league games, if by christmas/January He looks like a loan could benefit him loan him out in January, much more likely to get a better team if he's been getting regular premiership minutes and it could also benefit him for the loan games having had first team football allready.

Daft to just send straight out without giving these types a crack imo. Don't see what we have to lose tbh

[Deleted]

Jul 24, 2016 17:17:59 GMT ryan4england said:

If you're good enough you're old enough as they say

Yeah but the harm is that last 20mins may cost us points.

Get him on loan to Preston (or any club that will guarantee game time) they are short of strikers and must have been impressed and see how he does in 3 months.

I'm all for youth, honestly! But only when the management regards they are ready.

Trust sparkie and we will be ok.

[ryan4england]

Jul 24, 2016 17:30:50 GMT @mrdog said:

Jul 24, 2016 17:17:59 GMT ryan4england said:

If you're good enough you're old enough as they say

Yeah but the harm is that last 20mins may cost us points.

Get him on loan to Preston (or any club that will guarantee game time) they are short of strikers and must have been impressed and see how he does in 3 months.

I'm all for youth, honestly! But only when the management regards they are ready.

Trust sparkie and we will be ok.

Can't see it harming us too much the, the benefits could outweigh the odd hiccup

[Deleted]

Jul 24, 2016 17:32:13 GMT ryan4england said:

Jul 24, 2016 17:30:50 GMT @mrdog said:

Yeah but the harm is that last 20mins may cost us points.

Get him on loan to Preston (or any club that will guarantee game time) they are short of strikers and must have been impressed and see how he does in 3 months.

I'm all for youth, honestly! But only when the management regards they are ready.

Trust sparkie and we will be ok.

Can't see it harming us too much the, the benefits could outweigh the odd hiccup

I understand, but would be be better getting proper game time, starting games I mean ( or the odd 20mins for us when we are 2-0 down or 2-0up)

[Deleted]

Apparently he's gone with the first team to the US, while the U21's are heading for a tournament in Barcelona.

[ryan4england]

Jul 24, 2016 17:36:15 GMT @mrdog said:

Jul 24, 2016 17:32:13 GMT ryan4england said:

Can't see it harming us too much the, the benefits could outweigh the odd hiccup

I understand, but would be be better getting proper game time, starting games I mean ( or the odd 20mins for us when we are 2-0 down or 2-0up)

can he still play for u21's if he gets first team minutes? If he can I don't see the problem mixing the two? He's still young enough to get a full season loan next season if he's not quite ready following on from a January loan move

[Lakeland Potter]

Jul 24, 2016 17:30:50 GMT @mrdog said:

Jul 24, 2016 17:17:59 GMT ryan4england said:

If you're good enough you're old enough as they say

Yeah but the harm is that last 20mins may cost us points.

Get him on loan to Preston (or any club that will guarantee game time) they are short of strikers and must have been impressed and see how he does in 3 months.

I'm all for youth, honestly! But only when the management regards they are ready.

Trust sparkie and we will be ok.

Agreed - going on loan to Preston didn't do Beckham any harm. Fact is, as I said earlier, most players who make the step up from youth football to the Premier League, do so via a spell at a lower league club. Those like Rooney who don't get some lower league experience are very much the exception since the Premier League was formed.