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Post by themistocles on Jul 15, 2016 20:20:25 GMT
Could be major history. This could seriously effect the tensions with Russia and other neighboring states.
Or perhaps ousting an Islamic dictatorship is a good thing.
Let's see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 20:25:33 GMT
the world is one fucked up place...........
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 15, 2016 20:26:30 GMT
Listening to Sky, it seemed to suggest the government was trying to improve relations with Russia and Israel? Quite possibly, the Islamists are in the military who don't like their government's direction of travel?
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Post by themistocles on Jul 15, 2016 20:31:38 GMT
Military saying " they have taken control "
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 15, 2016 20:31:56 GMT
Listening to Sky, it seemed to suggest the government was trying to improve relations with Russia and Israel? Quite possibly, the Islamists are in the military who don't like their government's direction of travel? I dunner know much about turkey except that it's good with pigs in blankets, but I thought Erdogan was the Islamist trying to make himself a dictator and the military tended to try and protect Atatürk's idea of a non-religious state? |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 15, 2016 20:36:31 GMT
the world is one fucked up place........... Thatcher started it  |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 15, 2016 20:41:41 GMT
Listening to Sky, it seemed to suggest the government was trying to improve relations with Russia and Israel? Quite possibly, the Islamists are in the military who don't like their government's direction of travel? I dunner know much about turkey except that it's good with pigs in blankets, but I thought Erdogan was the Islamist trying to make himself a dictator and the military tended to try and protect Atatürk's idea of a non-religious state? You could be right? Clearly, something has triggered this. I remember decades ago, someone said colonels always organise coups because they have direct control over all the lower ranks. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 15, 2016 20:56:31 GMT
As someone said,"May you live in interesting times"
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 15, 2016 21:02:08 GMT
I dunner know much about turkey except that it's good with pigs in blankets, but I thought Erdogan was the Islamist trying to make himself a dictator and the military tended to try and protect Atatürk's idea of a non-religious state? You could be right? Clearly, something has triggered this. I remember decades ago, someone said colonels always organise coups because they have direct control over all the lower ranks. Check their moustaches. Good coups always seem to go with strong facial hair. |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 15, 2016 21:15:32 GMT
I said on here ages ago that the Turkish Government were terrorist supports. They've kept open ISIS supply lines, bombed the Kurds for standing upto ISIS, shot down Russian jets for standing upto ISIS... The Russian's told us Turkey was buying ISIS oil. They've shut down the media, eroded free speach, etc...
Thank fuck the military have taken ovr from these scumbags. Maybe now we can finally crush ISIS & solve this 'refugee' problem.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 15, 2016 21:16:04 GMT
It's the 6th coup in 57 years a bit like Newcastle and relegation from the premier league.
Turkey is a secular country, Erdogan was trying to make it a more stricter islamist country.
I read on twitter that on the tomb of Ataturk, their first president there are orders to the military to preserve secularism from Islamism.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 15, 2016 21:17:25 GMT
Listening to Sky, it seemed to suggest the government was trying to improve relations with Russia and Israel? Quite possibly, the Islamists are in the military who don't like their government's direction of travel? I dunner know much about turkey except that it's good with pigs in blankets, but I thought Erdogan was the Islamist trying to make himself a dictator and the military tended to try and protect Atatürk's idea of a non-religious state? Your point about Erdogan being too religious is correct(listening to 'SN') and Erdogan has been restricting the power of the military too. The coup does appear to be organised by middle ranking officers but not the top brass? |
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Post by Boothen on Jul 15, 2016 21:24:52 GMT
The Turkish military is generally secular, so them getting rid of the murderous Islamist dictator and supporter of terrorism, Erdogan, can only be a good thing. Let's hope that we see his broken corpse being dragged behind a tank soon.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 15, 2016 21:25:13 GMT
Turkey is a rogue state, supporter of Isis, with US backing.
Putin is right about them.
Unclear of the direction of any coup yet...
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 15, 2016 21:25:38 GMT
I'm probably being mightily thick here and I apologise if I am, but when was the last time something like this happened? Ceaucescu?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 15, 2016 21:29:01 GMT
It's the 6th coup in 57 years a bit like Newcastle and relegation from the premier league. Turkey is a secular country, Erdogan was trying to make it a more stricter islamist country. I read on twitter that on the tomb of Ataturk, their first president there are orders to the military to preserve secularism from Islamism. The Turks I know are all from cities in the west and are a fun lot that're easy to get on with down the pub. They don't seem to like Erdogan. But one of my mates is an archaeologist and goes digging round east of there. Religion is much stronger, she has to dig in 35 C fully covered up with the site surrounded by guards. |
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Post by themistocles on Jul 15, 2016 21:35:39 GMT
I'm probably being mightily thick here and I apologise if I am, but when was the last time something like this happened? Ceaucescu? 50s 70s 80s and 91 in turkey , so it's a regular occurrence for them .. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 15, 2016 21:43:50 GMT
I'm probably being mightily thick here and I apologise if I am, but when was the last time something like this happened? Ceaucescu? Romania was a Communist country with the Communist Party controlling the economy and society. Ceaucescu was overthrown by a popular uprising. The current attempted coup is entirely military. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 21:49:42 GMT
I'm probably being mightily thick here and I apologise if I am, but when was the last time something like this happened? Ceaucescu? Egypt in 2011 was a biggie..... |
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Post by Boothen on Jul 15, 2016 21:52:30 GMT
The thing to worry about now is what will the Deep State do to take advantage of the chaos?
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Post by themistocles on Jul 15, 2016 22:01:39 GMT
One has to wonder if the Turkish military/ Gulanist got the OK from NATO and US given the importance western assets over there .
Interesting
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 15, 2016 22:12:27 GMT
Turkey is a rogue state, supporter of Isis, with US backing. Putin is right about them. Unclear of the direction of any coup yet... Could be either side - the Yanks or the Russians. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Jul 15, 2016 22:22:34 GMT
It could go badly wrong of course but I'd speculate and say this is good news. Erdogan is a corrupt contemptuous old bastard who has been making gradual steps to stifle freedom in the country, especially among the youth. As TDC points out Turkey has at the very least an odd relationship with Daesh. Let's just pray that the connection to Daesh was at executive level rather than anyone in the senior ranks of the military.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 22:29:06 GMT
Don't they realise what this will do to their economy? Why on earth would they want democracy anyway.
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Post by serpico on Jul 15, 2016 22:38:56 GMT
CIA replacing their puppet.
"The US doesn't like coups because it's anti democratic" - BBC lol!!!! Jesus Christ and to think we have to pay to listen to this bollocks. this has the CIA written all over it, there have been rumours for awhile that the US was cooking up a coup in Turkey.
Notice the US aren't immediately condemning it.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 15, 2016 22:41:24 GMT
Don't they realise what this will do to their economy? Why on earth would they want democracy anyway. 'Sky' says tourism has collapsed and the currency too. The boom in the economy is over too. When I worked for the M.O.D. I went to a meeting on Turkey. There are huge inflows of 'dark' money into the country i.e. largely from the magic dust? The latter helps keep the economy afloat! |
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 15, 2016 23:23:39 GMT
Looks like the Military scored too early.
Government have made a strong comeback and turned it around.
Unfortunately.
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Post by stockportstokie on Jul 15, 2016 23:32:19 GMT
Don't see what's unfortunate about it. The people have taken to the streets despite obvious dangers to protest against what the military is doing. Turkey are proud of their democracy and are backing their elected leader it seems. Quite where they go from here to recover the situation is anyone's guess. Boris to the rescue...  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 15, 2016 23:42:19 GMT
Don't see what's unfortunate about it. The people have taken to the streets despite obvious dangers to protest against what the military is doing. Turkey are proud of their democracy and are backing their elected leader it seems. Quite where they go from here to recover the situation is anyone's guess. Boris to the rescue... The photo you use isn't Turkey today. I think it's Morocco last year. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Jul 15, 2016 23:49:39 GMT
Don't see what's unfortunate about it. The people have taken to the streets despite obvious dangers to protest against what the military is doing. Turkey are proud of their democracy and are backing their elected leader it seems. Quite where they go from here to recover the situation is anyone's guess. Boris to the rescue... The photo you use isn't Turkey today. I think it's Morocco last year. Should've checked first. Dunno if you get it in OZ but the horrendously biased RT have got live images of lots of people coming out in protest and defying the curfew. |
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