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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 23:12:25 GMT
So only the mentally sound, clean living, with a decent BMI should be allowed to access free treatment on the NHS? The rest is all just self inflicted so let them rot..... Nope Rugby Players dont have a decent BMI for a start . Druggies and alcholics shouldnt be treated on the NHS Break your neck in a scrum playing rugby? Your own fault for taking a risk. What about a druggie or alcoholic that has come through the care system and ended up on the streets after a really shit life? Help them out on the NHS, put them against a wall and shoot them maybe?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 28, 2016 23:14:02 GMT
What a fucking player. Everything else is a mixture of the really sad and opinionated bullshit but 'what a fucking player' is just fact.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 28, 2016 23:23:06 GMT
What a fucking player. Everything else is a mixture of the really sad and opinionated bullshit but 'what a fucking player' is just fact. Sorry to ask have you morphed in to biscuit boy It maybe because it is late but I just don't quite get the post
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Post by woodstein on Dec 28, 2016 23:26:49 GMT
Posts have tended to drift away from Gazza and onto cancer etc and who should be treated. Folk who have payed national insurance should be given preference when (as it eventually will) it comes to restrictions. But Gazza has had plenty of help, and he was still earning good money in the after-dinner circuits not too long ago but no doubt squandered it. How much help can you keep giving these folk? But Greavsie proved it can be done.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 28, 2016 23:29:54 GMT
What a fucking player. Everything else is a mixture of the really sad and opinionated bullshit but 'what a fucking player' is just fact. Sorry to ask have you morphed in to biscuit boy It maybe because it is late but I just don't quite get the post Well I thought it was quite straightforward. People had drifted into moral arguments about our best player of the last 30 years. No need, he is our best player of the past 30 years. Take your moralization on to the board next door.
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 28, 2016 23:35:41 GMT
So only the mentally sound, clean living, with a decent BMI should be allowed to access free treatment on the NHS? The rest is all just self inflicted so let them rot..... Nope Rugby Players dont have a decent BMI for a start . Druggies and alcholics shouldnt be treated on the NHS not many alcoholics drink for the love of it you know...
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Post by woodstein on Dec 28, 2016 23:36:17 GMT
Most will agree what a great player Gazza was but the first posting was about him being back on the booze so folk are talking about that rather than his playing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 23:41:06 GMT
If Gazza doesn't want to be in the state he's in then there must be some form of mental illness going on.
If anyone thinks he wants to be in the state he's in then there's definitely some form of mental illness going on.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 28, 2016 23:48:33 GMT
Tell that to people with Cancer who cant get drugs because people like him are getting the money spent on them. Look at it in a different way look at the number of young males who die each year through lack of money in the mental health system while millions are spent giving women smaller or bigger 'tits We all can find something we would rather the money was spent on in the NHS Who is to say which of many choices are right You can't be serious? THe NHS surely does not pay for cosmetic surgery? Facial deformities and grotesque cysts/tumours sure but come on, boob jobs? Is that really happening? If so someone needs sectioning, that is LITERALLY atrocious! Horrendous IF TRUE! We have great systems in place for mental health in Canada. Could be better but we are going places I think. We have a very bad problem here with our First Nations Peoples and systemic and generational alcohol abuse within that community. Let alone my Rave generation with E's and smack and coke and booze etc. You can buy weed in stores on the street here now "legally".... Heavy duty times for Heavy Duty Minds... CAMH is one of Canada's great and many health facilities and its walking distance to my house. The Centre for Addiction and Mental Health. Its a great place. It will give a patient all the free stuff they want -- IF --"IF THEY admit their addiction IS ALSO A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE" --- i.e-- A concurrent disorder... One comes with the other fellas, what starts first is irrelevant really.. I've never been myself, but friends of mine deffo have. Big Style. It's something Gazza clearly has - A Concurrent Disorder. Regardless I don't want anything to cloud the issue that IS MENTAL ILLNESS.. He drinks to cope with his mental state -- and it becomes that vicious circle that appears to be a "Choice"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 23:54:34 GMT
I don't want anything to cloud the issue that IS MENTAL ILLNESS.. He drinks to cope with his mental state -- and it becomes that vicious circle that appears to be a "Choice" Very well put.
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Post by djduncanjames on Dec 29, 2016 0:24:21 GMT
It is a tragedy that any human being ends up like this. Its their choice. One day you will realise you are misinformed, or just plain ignorant. You can only be one of the two. Maybe meet the compassionate people and scientific minds of this world half-way and lean towards the thought that not every person on this planet are 100% the same -- or for that matter as "mentally fined tuned" and intelligent, as physically capable as you --- of living this life perfectly -- We must have missed something... Perfection right? Isn't that what you are judging him on? His choice to give up perfection? You know that super human strength you have to judge other people's decisions-- whilst YOU making all the correct decisions constantly correctly, all the time in your own life. I would love to hear others in your life agree that you have this ability. Mr. Perfect Fuck Mental health disorders and addictions that arise from it, that's for wimps...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 2:06:37 GMT
He must surely have had more real chances to achieve sobriety than any other piss head. He really is taking the piss now.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 29, 2016 2:10:45 GMT
Yes thought you might. I have no time whatsoever for people who have self inflicted addictions. Just a drain on the NHS Can we assume you are as pure as the driven snow, with absolutely no vices?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 2:11:27 GMT
Yes thought you might. I have no time whatsoever for people who have self inflicted addictions. Just a drain on the NHS Can we assume you are as pure as the driven snow, with absolutely no vices? Why would we assume that?
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Post by kustokie on Dec 29, 2016 2:17:45 GMT
Can we assume you are as pure as the driven snow, with absolutely no vices? Why would we assume that? Because most chronic conditions that place heavy costs on health systems in particular and society in general are self inflicted: obsesity, hypertension, heart disease, diabetes, COPD, cancer, drug addiction.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 29, 2016 6:55:11 GMT
Sorry to ask have you morphed in to biscuit boy It maybe because it is late but I just don't quite get the post Well I thought it was quite straightforward. People had drifted into moral arguments about our best player of the last 30 years. No need, he is our best player of the past 30 years. Take your moralization on to the board next door. As I said it was late for me it does make better sense this morning
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 29, 2016 7:39:02 GMT
Sorry to ask have you morphed in to biscuit boy It maybe because it is late but I just don't quite get the post Well I thought it was quite straightforward. People had drifted into moral arguments about our best player of the last 30 years. No need, he is our best player of the past 30 years. Take your moralization on to the board next door. Scholes could have been our best player of the last 30 years. Des Walker and Ashley Cole are candidates too. Although when Walker went Sampdoria he lost his unflappableness and his pace went with it.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 6, 2024 17:14:51 GMT
'sad drunk' living in his agent's spare room of his agent's house in Dorset. He said: "I used to be a happy drunk, I ain't anymore... I'm a sad drunk. I don't go out and drink, I drink indoors. If I want to make it a bad day, [all I need to do is] go down the pub. If I want it to be a good day, I get my flying rod out and go fishing. What can you say?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Mar 6, 2024 17:56:48 GMT
'sad drunk' living in his agent's spare room of his agent's house in Dorset. He said: "I used to be a happy drunk, I ain't anymore... I'm a sad drunk. I don't go out and drink, I drink indoors. If I want to make it a bad day, [all I need to do is] go down the pub. If I want it to be a good day, I get my flying rod out and go fishing. What can you say? Nothing that's not already been said - he's beyond help it seems and it's so sad as he's a likeable guy who needed good advice and guidance decades ago but unfortunately was surrounded by leeches and morons in equal measure....can't see him making 60 at this rate- he looks worse than ever if that's even possible...
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 6, 2024 18:26:13 GMT
'sad drunk' living in his agent's spare room of his agent's house in Dorset. He said: "I used to be a happy drunk, I ain't anymore... I'm a sad drunk. I don't go out and drink, I drink indoors. If I want to make it a bad day, [all I need to do is] go down the pub. If I want it to be a good day, I get my flying rod out and go fishing. What can you say? Nothing that's not already been said - he's beyond help it seems and it's so sad as he's a likeable guy who needed good advice and guidance decades ago but unfortunately was surrounded by leeches and morons in equal measure....can't see him making 60 at this rate- he looks worse than ever if that's even possible... Yeah, a bit of you wants to say 'c'mon lad, pick yourself up, sort yourself out you've got plenty to live for'. But sadly that ship has long since sailed.
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Post by thfc67 on Mar 6, 2024 20:08:40 GMT
If I want to make it a bad day, [all I need to do is] go down the pub. If I want it to be a good day, I get my flying rod out and go fishing. What can you say? Freshwater or saltwater?
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Post by a on Mar 6, 2024 21:29:53 GMT
Crikey this is an old thread!
Alcoholism isn’t fun for anyone involved, family, friends, the individual. It’s an intoxicant and it is often used to escape the reality that person is experiencing.
Gazza has and probably always will be alcoholic. I’m pretty certain he wishes he wasn’t. If you can’t sympathise then that’s up to you.
I hope he is able to recover but sadly I doubt he ever will.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 7, 2024 18:41:12 GMT
'sad drunk' living in his agent's spare room of his agent's house in Dorset. He said: "I used to be a happy drunk, I ain't anymore... I'm a sad drunk. I don't go out and drink, I drink indoors. If I want to make it a bad day, [all I need to do is] go down the pub. If I want it to be a good day, I get my flying rod out and go fishing. What can you say? A worm at one end a fool at the other?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 8, 2024 10:35:55 GMT
Crikey this is an old thread! Alcoholism isn’t fun for anyone involved, family, friends, the individual. It’s an intoxicant and it is often used to escape the reality that person is experiencing. Gazza has and probably always will be alcoholic. I’m pretty certain he wishes he wasn’t. If you can’t sympathise then that’s up to you. I hope he is able to recover but sadly I doubt he ever will. Don't know if you've watched the Sky documentary Gascoigne. But it seemed to me that watching his best mate run over and killed outside his local corner shop is the root to all his issues. Apparently he held the poor fecker in his arms and watched him die. That's gonna leave a print on any 10 year olds brain. A sad sad tale for a national treasure. Let down badly by the scum press and media and taken advantage of by plenty of blood suckers.....
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Post by i1da on Mar 8, 2024 11:26:14 GMT
Good Grief! What a pathetic thread. Not a single one of us can judge anyone's condition/decisions. Unless we have experienced everything they have experienced. The sad thing is the list is almost endless of people who end up in a bad way - Best, Gazza, Ritchie, even Banks. Perhaps it's time to reevaluate society priorities and get back to basics?
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Post by a on Mar 8, 2024 16:39:16 GMT
Crikey this is an old thread! Alcoholism isn’t fun for anyone involved, family, friends, the individual. It’s an intoxicant and it is often used to escape the reality that person is experiencing. Gazza has and probably always will be alcoholic. I’m pretty certain he wishes he wasn’t. If you can’t sympathise then that’s up to you. I hope he is able to recover but sadly I doubt he ever will. Don't know if you've watched the Sky documentary Gascoigne. But it seemed to me that watching his best mate run over and killed outside his local corner shop is the root to all his issues. Apparently he held the poor fecker in his arms and watched him die. That's gonna leave a print on any 10 year olds brain. A sad sad tale for a national treasure. Let down badly by the scum press and media and taken advantage of by plenty of blood suckers..... Yea I’m aware of the story, it’s probably gone a long way towards his condition. He’s been taken advantage of a lot over the years, it shows how important having good people around you is to keep you on the right path.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 9, 2024 1:06:55 GMT
There was a very good bbc documentary about him. Very good because it didn't hide that, a lot of the time, he really didn't help himself
It's a sad story. I can't be the only oneho fears the worst when I see his name in a headline
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Post by matelot1996 on Mar 9, 2024 2:03:04 GMT
We’ve seen it before and it will happen again and again unfortunately. All Types, Good, Average and bad, fall from their equilibrium and succumb to the evils of alcohol. Very sad and probably inevitable for many. Trust me, I have seen it first hand. They cannot be helped unless they want to be helped.
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