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Post by muglump on Jul 11, 2016 16:26:01 GMT
Jeez don't find it easy to do links on my phone but christ on a bike he looks worse than ever wandering around wearing nothing but a manky dressing gown how much longer will he last? Poor sod. He's got clear mental health problems. George best was basically just a boozer but this guy?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 11, 2016 16:34:42 GMT
My sympathy for him ran out long ago, he's had numerous opportunites to sort himself out and had access to resources that 95% of other addicts don't.
You can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 11, 2016 16:57:41 GMT
My sympathy for him ran out long ago, he's had numerous opportunites to sort himself out and had access to resources that 95% of other addicts don't. You can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. Granted,and largely i agree.However he does have a unique circle of,ahem,friends,looking out for him,which puts a curious slant on the word.
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Post by waffles on Jul 11, 2016 17:03:32 GMT
He will sober up eventually then tell everyone it was a "blip" them blips will see him dead before he's 50, maybe that's what he wants, sad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 17:11:46 GMT
I always find it heartbreaking to see Gazza in a mess. He's the player I wanted to be when I was younger and having a knock about about up forest park. A genius with a football. I said not long back that I didn't think he would last til Xmas. I hope I'm wrong. The lad is ill and simply doesn't have it in him to remain on the straight and narrow
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 17:58:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 18:02:30 GMT
I loved Italy 90 and Gazza will always be my hero. No England player has come close to this since...
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Post by liam007 on Jul 11, 2016 18:09:39 GMT
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Post by jezzascfc on Jul 11, 2016 18:13:40 GMT
Good God, that man is only a year older than me - he looks older than my dad (whose 73 next week!). I hope he eventually finds some peace.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 11, 2016 18:19:37 GMT
God bless Gazzer. It maybe time to let him go. This shower of $#!t England don't deserve him
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 11, 2016 18:28:48 GMT
Is it too simplistic to say that the only thing gazza needs, and has needed throughout his life, is some true friends?
Not the hangers on who are now nowhere to be seen but friends who love him for being Paul and not gazza.
He was such a fantastic player, certainly the best I've ever seen live, its hard not to feel sorry for him and offer him sympathy you perhaps wouldn't extend to others in a similar situation.
Where are Chris Evans, Danny Baker and Jimmy fivebellies now?
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2016 18:32:57 GMT
Is it too simplistic to say that the only thing gazza needs, and has needed throughout his life, is some true friends? Not the hangers on who are now nowhere to be seen but friends who love him for being Paul and not gazza. He was such a fantastic player, certainly the best I've ever seen live, its hard not to feel sorry for him and offer him sympathy you perhaps wouldn't extend to others in a similar situation. Where are Chris Evans, Danny Baker and Jimmy fivebellies now? Baker lays the blame for Gazza's issues firmly at the feet of Glenn Hoddle for leading him up the garden path and not picking him for France'98.
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Post by trigger on Jul 11, 2016 18:41:52 GMT
My sympathy for him ran out long ago, he's had numerous opportunites to sort himself out and had access to resources that 95% of other addicts don't. You can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. That was my stance towards such people but believe me it's an horrendous "addiction" but now doing what I do in life (professionally) I've changed my mind completely, as said it's an horrendous thing to see.
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 11, 2016 18:46:34 GMT
the childhood trauma of feeling responsible for the death of his best friends brother plus later in life reassuring his young cousin that he would be fine to play football even though he suffered with asthma and losing his young cousin after he collapsed and died after playing football is enough to drive the strongest person to drink etc. if you think these events wouldnt fook ur head up then carry on slagging gazza off!!!!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 11, 2016 18:49:33 GMT
My sympathy for him ran out long ago, he's had numerous opportunites to sort himself out and had access to resources that 95% of other addicts don't. You can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. That was my stance towards such people but believe me it's an horrendous "addiction" but now doing what I do in life (professionally) I've changed my mind completely, as said it's an horrendous thing to see. I used to share your viewpoint, until experiencing it first hand and no matter what technique I tried to convince them they have a problem absolutely nothing sunk in, so now I have next to zero time for people like Gazza, that's brutal and harsh I know, but that's just how personal experience has altered my opinion, I commend you for taking it up as a profession, I simply haven't got the patience for it.
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 11, 2016 19:43:36 GMT
Do the Sun just hire a photographer to follow him around?
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Post by sportsman on Jul 11, 2016 19:54:29 GMT
Is it too simplistic to say that the only thing gazza needs, and has needed throughout his life, is some true friends? Not the hangers on who are now nowhere to be seen but friends who love him for being Paul and not gazza. He was such a fantastic player, certainly the best I've ever seen live, its hard not to feel sorry for him and offer him sympathy you perhaps wouldn't extend to others in a similar situation. Where are Chris Evans, Danny Baker and Jimmy fivebellies now? Guess who Evans and baker were seen with the other day? James bloody Corden. Can't be doing with Evans or Baker.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 20:08:14 GMT
It's a awful picture and it looks as though his pain will end soon.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 11, 2016 20:11:46 GMT
Gazza is Gazza. He's unique, as are all of us. He can't help being what he is... or was. He was once a brilliant talent who we all loved, and now he's a bum because he can't handle life. You see people like him everywhere... on the streets of most cities throughout the world. I can't find it within myself to condemn him. I can only feel pity for him, as I do for most people who have become afflicted through drink or drugs. Some make it through their addiction and I'm pleased for them. Some don't, and that's when I feel compassion. There but for the grace of *'God'* go all of us etc.
*'God'*... I'm not religious.
OS.
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Post by Northy on Jul 11, 2016 20:25:13 GMT
Is it too simplistic to say that the only thing gazza needs, and has needed throughout his life, is some true friends? Not the hangers on who are now nowhere to be seen but friends who love him for being Paul and not gazza. He was such a fantastic player, certainly the best I've ever seen live, its hard not to feel sorry for him and offer him sympathy you perhaps wouldn't extend to others in a similar situation. Where are Chris Evans, Danny Baker and Jimmy fivebellies now? I agree, I went to gazzas club many years ago, five bellies was in there acting like he was somebody important, but he was just a fat bloke living off gazza, now there's no living to take off him he's nowhere to be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2016 20:28:19 GMT
Absolutely breaks my heart. Gazza should be a national treasure, instead he's made into a national joke.
I seriously dread the day I wake up to the news that he's died. Unfortunately the rate he's going at - it won't be long until that day.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2016 21:40:13 GMT
Is it too simplistic to say that the only thing gazza needs, and has needed throughout his life, is some true friends? Not the hangers on who are now nowhere to be seen but friends who love him for being Paul and not gazza. He was such a fantastic player, certainly the best I've ever seen live, its hard not to feel sorry for him and offer him sympathy you perhaps wouldn't extend to others in a similar situation. Where are Chris Evans, Danny Baker and Jimmy fivebellies now? Baker lays the blame for Gazza's issues firmly at the feet of Glenn Hoddle for leading him up the garden path and not picking him for France'98. I love Danny Baker but that is utter bollox.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2016 21:44:00 GMT
Baker lays the blame for Gazza's issues firmly at the feet of Glenn Hoddle for leading him up the garden path and not picking him for France'98. I love Danny Baker but that is utter bollox. Baker slaughtered Hoddle on twitter during his commentary games, and I mean slaughtered. Vicious stuff.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2016 21:47:05 GMT
I love Danny Baker but that is utter bollox. Baker slaughtered Hoddle on twitter during his commentary games, and I mean slaughtered. Vicious stuff. I know I saw his twitter feed during the Iceland debacle. I admire Bakers loyalty but what he says doesn't stand up to the cold hard truth about addiction and mental health.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 11, 2016 21:50:32 GMT
Baker slaughtered Hoddle on twitter during his commentary games, and I mean slaughtered. Vicious stuff. I know I saw his twitter feed during the Iceland debacle. I admire Bakers loyalty but what he says doesn't stand up to the cold hard truth about addiction and mental health. I think you are right.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2016 21:54:15 GMT
I know I saw his twitter feed during the Iceland debacle. I admire Bakers loyalty but what he says doesn't stand up to the cold hard truth about addiction and mental health. I think you are right. It is heartbreaking for anyone to suffer like Gazza does. Reducing it to a situation in a football team is far too simplistic.
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Post by muglump on Jul 11, 2016 22:09:02 GMT
None of us are saints and I think we all know someone who went too far with the drink / drugs when the rest of us eventually grew up. The difference with him is he clearly still has money / hangers on to sort things out for him whilst the people we knew got treated / died in a gutter. The only people in this I really despise are the ghoulish twats with the cameras. let the poor fucker die in peace or help him. One or the bastard other
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Post by AlanHansen on Jul 11, 2016 22:11:26 GMT
Terribly sad. Same age as me. You'd think he could be pulled back from the edge, but it appears not.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 11, 2016 22:12:26 GMT
In the end of the day whether you agreed with the decision or not Hoddle was England manager and paid to make the tough decisions. He chose to leave Gascoigne out. Maybe he could have handled it better but in his opinion it was the right call and it was his right to make that decision.
Gazza sadly had struggled with drink throughout his career and it's far to simplistic to put all the blame at one man's door. I suspect even if Gazza had gone to France and played well he'd still have succumbed to his inner demons in retirement once his life's great purpose, football, had gone. Having his international career ended there just speeded up the process.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 11, 2016 22:14:40 GMT
In the end of the day whether you agreed with the decision or not Hoddle was England manager and paid to make the tough decisions. He chose to leave Gascoigne out. Maybe he could have handled it better but in his opinion it was the right call and it was his right to make that decision. Gazza sadly had struggled with drink throughout his career and it's far to simplistic to put all the blame at one man's door. I suspect even if Gazza had gone to France and played well he'd still have succumbed to his inner demons in retirement once his life's great purpose, football, had gone. Having his international career ended there just speeded up the process. His life had been unraveling for years before that.
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