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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 8, 2016 13:28:12 GMT
A genuine question - when you voted for Brexit did you think anyone in politics had a plan? Did anybody say something during campaigning that made you think they had a specific plan for what we would do in the event of leaving the EU? Considering the incumbent PM at the time granted a democratic referendum that had two yes two possible realistic outcomes, you would naturally assume he had plans in place for either, seems the arrogant cock wipe and his supporters did not for one fcukin second believe we would have the bollocks to reject the failing EU project, on dear what a balls up no wonder he resigned the rest of the remain campaign MP's on all sides should have followed his cowardly way out and fallen on their own swords, including May and Red Jezza. Shouldn't it be the Leave campaigners who should've had a plan for Brexit? After all, that's what they spent countless hours campaigning for. Shouldn't we be pissed of at people like David Davis, who convinced people to leave the EU but had not given a second thought as to how to actually leave?
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Post by Northy on Sept 8, 2016 13:33:09 GMT
Which I don't I was at a conference in London yesterday, one of the topics and presentations was from CBRE (global property giant) they aren't too concerned on brexit and their plans and forecasts to 2020 will be at the same level post brexit as they were before the referendum, albeit onl slightly down a bit this year and next year, but for them it's business as usual Also had a pep talk from this chap www.penhadow.com/ , you ought to be more positive like him, instead of being a negative Robert Peston I'm very positive, but when a landmark retail item that's been at exactly the same price point for over 5 years has now gone up by £100 due directly to market uncertainty over Brexit (Apple UK's words not mine) it's time to be pragmatic the iphone 7 is new, it hasn't been around for 5 years Since when has a 10 cents change in a currency equate to £100 uplift in costs of something that costs a few hundred pounds? Nothing to do with Apple just receiving a huge tax bill is it ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 13:40:54 GMT
I'm very positive, but when a landmark retail item that's been at exactly the same price point for over 5 years has now gone up by £100 due directly to market uncertainty over Brexit (Apple UK's words not mine) it's time to be pragmatic the iphone 7 is new, it hasn't been around for 5 years Since when has a 10 cents change in a currency equate to £100 uplift in costs of something that costs a few hundred pounds? Nothing to do with Apple just receiving a huge tax bill is it ? New iPhone pricing has been consistent for 5 years and the pound is far less valuable against the dollar compared to May. Check: www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usd
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Post by Northy on Sept 8, 2016 14:14:56 GMT
the iphone 7 is new, it hasn't been around for 5 years Since when has a 10 cents change in a currency equate to £100 uplift in costs of something that costs a few hundred pounds? Nothing to do with Apple just receiving a huge tax bill is it ? New iPhone pricing has been consistent for 5 years and the pound is far less valuable against the dollar compared to May. Check: www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usdI'll go back to my previous post: - Since when has a 10 cents change in a currency equate to £100 uplift in costs of something that costs a few hundred pounds? Nothing to do with Apple just receiving a huge tax bill is it ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 14:28:53 GMT
New iPhone pricing has been consistent for 5 years and the pound is far less valuable against the dollar compared to May. Check: www.dailyfx.com/gbp-usdI'll go back to my previous post: - Since when has a 10 cents change in a currency equate to £100 uplift in costs of something that costs a few hundred pounds? Nothing to do with Apple just receiving a huge tax bill is it ? It's 18 cents. Look at the chart. And if you think Apple will be paying that bill...well It's all about currency fluctuation. In Japan the iPhone7 is cheaper than the 6. You bloody Brexiteers, you won't have it will you? www.theverge.com/apple/2016/9/8/12846094/iphone--uk-brexit-price-raise
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Post by Northy on Sept 8, 2016 15:13:15 GMT
I'll go back to my previous post: - Since when has a 10 cents change in a currency equate to £100 uplift in costs of something that costs a few hundred pounds? Nothing to do with Apple just receiving a huge tax bill is it ? It's 18 cents. Look at the chart. And if you think Apple will be paying that bill...well It's all about currency fluctuation. In Japan the iPhone7 is cheaper than the 6. You bloody Brexiteers, you won't have it will you? www.theverge.com/apple/2016/9/8/12846094/iphone--uk-brexit-price-raiseThe exchange rate goes up and down, but I'll ask again, does a few more cents equate to a £100 increase? and no, Apple wont pay the bill, people who buy their products will
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 15:19:16 GMT
The exchange rate goes up and down, but I'll ask again, does a few more cents equate to a £100 increase? and no, Apple wont pay the bill, people who buy their products will On an £850 iPhone 6, yes very easily
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 15:25:53 GMT
Which I don't I was at a conference in London yesterday, one of the topics and presentations was from CBRE (global property giant) they aren't too concerned on brexit and their plans and forecasts to 2020 will be at the same level post brexit as they were before the referendum, albeit onl slightly down a bit this year and next year, but for them it's business as usual Also had a pep talk from this chap www.penhadow.com/ , you ought to be more positive like him, instead of being a negative Robert Peston I'm very positive, but when a landmark retail item that's been at exactly the same price point for over 5 years has now gone up by £100 due directly to market uncertainty over Brexit (Apple UK's words not mine) it's time to be pragmatic "Apple UK's words not mine"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 15:29:36 GMT
I'm very positive, but when a landmark retail item that's been at exactly the same price point for over 5 years has now gone up by £100 due directly to market uncertainty over Brexit (Apple UK's words not mine) it's time to be pragmatic "Apple UK's words not mine" I suppose The Financial Times is talking nonsense as well... www.ft.com/cms/s/0/047b1294-75a9-11e6-b60a-de4532d5ea35.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 15:36:23 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 8, 2016 19:55:50 GMT
I must have missed something because as far as I was aware we haven't actually altered a single thing yet. Brexit means Brexit means fuck all so far!
And yet we have effectively devalued our currency by 10%. I don't remember any chancellor ever having that in their manifesto as a promise to the nation as being a good thing!
So basically, we've had a vote, the markets took a quick hit then recovered and the currency is devalued 10%. Everything else is precisely as it was before. Since we generally have a 3-6 month lead time before purchasing costs kick over into consumer costs we've got about another month or so until we start to see whether devaluing our currency by 10% has been a benefit!
I wonder what might happen once we trigger Article 50 next year and start trying to negotiate for immigration control and access to the single market and trying to re-write all our laws. We might see some real crystallisation then!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 21:01:22 GMT
I must have missed something because as far as I was aware we haven't actually altered a single thing yet. Brexit means Brexit means fuck all so far! And yet we have effectively devalued our currency by 10%. I don't remember any chancellor ever having that in their manifesto as a promise to the nation as being a good thing! So basically, we've had a vote, the markets took a quick hit then recovered and the currency is devalued 10%. Everything else is precisely as it was before. Since we generally have a 3-6 month lead time before purchasing costs kick over into consumer costs we've got about another month or so until we start to see whether devaluing our currency by 10% has been a benefit! I wonder what might happen once we trigger Article 50 next year and start trying to negotiate for immigration control and access to the single market and trying to re-write all our laws. We might see some real crystallisation then! We are seeing crystallisation. We are seeing the remainers scaremongering bullshit coming to the surface. Neither side were honest, but at least we are seeing our politicians for what they are.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2016 21:02:16 GMT
Considering the incumbent PM at the time granted a democratic referendum that had two yes two possible realistic outcomes, you would naturally assume he had plans in place for either, seems the arrogant cock wipe and his supporters did not for one fcukin second believe we would have the bollocks to reject the failing EU project, on dear what a balls up no wonder he resigned the rest of the remain campaign MP's on all sides should have followed his cowardly way out and fallen on their own swords, including May and Red Jezza. Shouldn't it be the Leave campaigners who should've had a plan for Brexit? After all, that's what they spent countless hours campaigning for. Shouldn't we be pissed of at people like David Davis, who convinced people to leave the EU but had not given a second thought as to how to actually leave? Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes.
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Post by hearttohartshill on Sept 8, 2016 21:11:37 GMT
Shouldn't it be the Leave campaigners who should've had a plan for Brexit? After all, that's what they spent countless hours campaigning for. Shouldn't we be pissed of at people like David Davis, who convinced people to leave the EU but had not given a second thought as to how to actually leave? Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes. Anybody fancy a crack at this? No? Nobody? Something about not liking foreigners or something?
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2016 21:16:49 GMT
I must have missed something because as far as I was aware we haven't actually altered a single thing yet. Brexit means Brexit means fuck all so far! And yet we have effectively devalued our currency by 10%. I don't remember any chancellor ever having that in their manifesto as a promise to the nation as being a good thing! So basically, we've had a vote, the markets took a quick hit then recovered and the currency is devalued 10%. Everything else is precisely as it was before. Since we generally have a 3-6 month lead time before purchasing costs kick over into consumer costs we've got about another month or so until we start to see whether devaluing our currency by 10% has been a benefit! I wonder what might happen once we trigger Article 50 next year and start trying to negotiate for immigration control and access to the single market and trying to re-write all our laws. We might see some real crystallisation then! We are seeing crystallisation. We are seeing the remainers scaremongering bullshit coming to the surface. Neither side were honest, but at least we are seeing our politicians for what they are. If nothing else as you say it has shown our politicians up for what they really, the campaign and the result have shifted a lot of their bullshit away, Cameron PM a cowardly spineless specimen of a man, Corbyn leader of the LP a lying hypocrite who has not got the balls to stand by his lifelong convictions and May a backslider who has no bottle to implement the wishes of the people, the only politician to have come out of this with his principals intact is Nige who has do what he set out to do , the rest is down to the jellyfish who are in control of this country.
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Post by riponstokie on Sept 8, 2016 21:38:09 GMT
Shouldn't it be the Leave campaigners who should've had a plan for Brexit? After all, that's what they spent countless hours campaigning for. Shouldn't we be pissed of at people like David Davis, who convinced people to leave the EU but had not given a second thought as to how to actually leave? Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes. Don't know if you just saw question time, but Owen Smith made an interesting point about the referendum and triggering article 50. He responded to criticism of him suggestion a 2nd referendum by saying that the British voters may have voted leave for the points bases immigration system, the £350 million to the NHS or perhaps limitations to immigration we don't have the powers to change. However, since the result, it has materialised that these key polices involved in the leave propaganda were in fact a load of shite. Therefore, when May states "Brexit means brexit" she, the public and the rest of parliament don't have a clue what brexit actually means. Therefore, Owen suggest (rightly or wrongly.) that perhaps a second referendum should be taken to decide specific ways we leave (if at all.)or what access we have to certain aspects of the EU. Soonce we know the exact implications and not just false promises and pathetic lies, we can then make a vote, knowing exactly what we are voting for, knowing exactly what 'brexit' means.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 21:41:53 GMT
Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes. Don't know if you just saw question time, but Owen Smith made an interesting point about the referendum and triggering article 50. He responded to criticism of him suggestion a 2nd referendum by saying that the British voters may have voted leave for the points bases immigration system, the £350 million to the NHS or perhaps limitations to immigration we don't have the powers to change. However, since the result, it has materialised that these key polices involved in the leave propaganda were in fact a load of shite. Therefore, when May states "Brexit means brexit" she, the public and the rest of parliament don't have a clue what brexit actually means. Therefore, Owen suggest (rightly or wrongly.) that perhaps a second referendum should be taken to decide specific ways we leave (if at all.)or what access we have to certain aspects of the EU. Soonce we know the exact implications and not just false promises and pathetic lies, we can then make a vote, knowing exactly what we are voting for, knowing exactly what 'brexit' means. Carps seems to know what it all means, ask him mate. Font of knowledge that boy...
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 8, 2016 21:55:39 GMT
Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes. Don't know if you just saw question time, but Owen Smith made an interesting point about the referendum and triggering article 50. He responded to criticism of him suggestion a 2nd referendum by saying that the British voters may have voted leave for the points bases immigration system, the £350 million to the NHS or perhaps limitations to immigration we don't have the powers to change. However, since the result, it has materialised that these key polices involved in the leave propaganda were in fact a load of shite. Therefore, when May states "Brexit means brexit" she, the public and the rest of parliament don't have a clue what brexit actually means. Therefore, Owen suggest (rightly or wrongly.) that perhaps a second referendum should be taken to decide specific ways we leave (if at all.)or what access we have to certain aspects of the EU. Soonce we know the exact implications and not just false promises and pathetic lies, we can then make a vote, knowing exactly what we are voting for, knowing exactly what 'brexit' means. Owen Smith who gives a flying fcuk what his opinion is on anything !!!!!!, he will soundly beaten in a two horse race with Red Jezza FFS in the near future, even the looney left are set to reject this no mark, come back when you have something credible duck.
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Post by riponstokie on Sept 8, 2016 22:11:10 GMT
Don't know if you just saw question time, but Owen Smith made an interesting point about the referendum and triggering article 50. He responded to criticism of him suggestion a 2nd referendum by saying that the British voters may have voted leave for the points bases immigration system, the £350 million to the NHS or perhaps limitations to immigration we don't have the powers to change. However, since the result, it has materialised that these key polices involved in the leave propaganda were in fact a load of shite. Therefore, when May states "Brexit means brexit" she, the public and the rest of parliament don't have a clue what brexit actually means. Therefore, Owen suggest (rightly or wrongly.) that perhaps a second referendum should be taken to decide specific ways we leave (if at all.)or what access we have to certain aspects of the EU. Soonce we know the exact implications and not just false promises and pathetic lies, we can then make a vote, knowing exactly what we are voting for, knowing exactly what 'brexit' means. Owen Smith who gives a flying fcuk what his opinion is on anything !!!!!!, he will soundly beaten in a two horse race with Red Jezza FFS in the near future, even the looney left are set to reject this no mark, come back when you have something credible duck. It's not who's saying it though is it? If you have a brain cell or two you can look at my above post (as I did with what Owen Smith said.) and be interested and consider certain points and explore the ideas.. Personally, I'd describe the fact the government ain't investing a penny over the minimum into the NHS credible. I'd also highlight the contradictions between Tories MPs as credible in highlighting the lack of knowledge of what Brexit actually is. My original post was credible in the sense it used facts to question the prime minister's statement, and to go on to suggest credible possibilities that would allow British people the opportunity to truly shape what Brexit means..so maybe come back when you have something credible?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 22:18:45 GMT
Owen Smith who gives a flying fcuk what his opinion is on anything !!!!!!, he will soundly beaten in a two horse race with Red Jezza FFS in the near future, even the looney left are set to reject this no mark, come back when you have something credible duck. It's not who's saying it though is it? If you have a brain cell or two you can look at my above post (as I did with what Owen Smith said.) and be interested and consider certain points and explore the ideas.. Personally, I'd describe the fact the government ain't investing a penny over the minimum into the NHS credible. I'd also highlight the contradictions between Tories MPs as credible in highlighting the lack of knowledge of what Brexit actually is. My original post was credible in the sense it used facts to question the prime minister's statement, and to go on to suggest credible possibilities that would allow British people the opportunity to truly shape what Brexit means.. so maybe come back when you have something credible?You're probably going to need a spare couple of years my friend..
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Post by Northy on Sept 9, 2016 8:04:54 GMT
Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes. Anybody fancy a crack at this? No? Nobody? Something about not liking foreigners or something? I'll have a crack at it, a few policies Id like to implement. kill them, kill them all... glory hunters and arsenal fans Wash the filth from our streets 😂 Close the internet to multiple account users :thumbup: everybody drinks tea
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 8:22:39 GMT
Anybody fancy a crack at this? No? Nobody? Something about not liking foreigners or something? I'll have a crack at it, a few policies Id like to implement. kill them, kill them all... glory hunters and arsenal fans Wash the filth from our streets 😂 Close the internet to multiple account users :thumbup: everybody drinks tea You're totally bloody obsessed mate. Get a grip
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 9, 2016 9:26:45 GMT
Is there any chance that the the title of this thread could be corrected, or has Brexit caused Gods' spell checker to permanently malfunction?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Sept 9, 2016 9:48:42 GMT
Shouldn't it be the Leave campaigners who should've had a plan for Brexit? After all, that's what they spent countless hours campaigning for. Shouldn't we be pissed of at people like David Davis, who convinced people to leave the EU but had not given a second thought as to how to actually leave? Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes. Cameron was always going to resign if we voted to leave - this was common knowledge. A vote to leave was to place the complete control of our country in the hands of MPs, and specifically the Tory government that is in charge at the moment. The country voted to leave the EU, and all the uncertainty that entails. That's what we have now. It may yet prove that at the end of the long road of uncertainty, there is a happy ending. Or there might be a steaming pile of shit. At the moment it's unknown, which is what, in the short-term, a vote to leave was - a vote for uncertainty. Out of interest - how quick did you think everything would be sorted if we voted to leave? I means there's going to be mind-numbingly slow discussions for the next two years at least, probably more like five years. Maybe even 10.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 11:07:39 GMT
Is there any chance that the the title of this thread could be corrected, or has Brexit caused Gods' spell checker to permanently malfunction?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 11:12:00 GMT
Surely that was down to the man who decided in his wisdom to have a referendum on our EU wishes, he was the PM at the time you may remember him David Cameron the one who quit the cowardly one, why would it be down to the leave campaigners ?, they have little or no say since Brexit as the Tory's elected a remain campaigner. So we now have a pro EU PM who was part of the remain campaign, not sure where your logic is coming from on this we voted to leave they should have had a strategy in place the arrogant spineless arse wipes. Cameron was always going to resign if we voted to leave - this was common knowledge. A vote to leave was to place the complete control of our country in the hands of MPs, and specifically the Tory government that is in charge at the moment. The country voted to leave the EU, and all the uncertainty that entails. That's what we have now. It may yet prove that at the end of the long road of uncertainty, there is a happy ending. Or there might be a steaming pile of shit. At the moment it's unknown, which is what, in the short-term, a vote to leave was - a vote for uncertainty. Out of interest - how quick did you think everything would be sorted if we voted to leave? I means there's going to be mind-numbingly slow discussions for the next two years at least, probably more like five years. Maybe even 10. The problem is none of these Tories actually has a plan, a vision or even the mental capacity to sort this bloody mess out. Whatever happens Brexit will be slow, dragged out, torturous and may not even happen at all. Thanks Cameron
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 12:00:13 GMT
Cameron was always going to resign if we voted to leave - this was common knowledge. A vote to leave was to place the complete control of our country in the hands of MPs, and specifically the Tory government that is in charge at the moment. The country voted to leave the EU, and all the uncertainty that entails. That's what we have now. It may yet prove that at the end of the long road of uncertainty, there is a happy ending. Or there might be a steaming pile of shit. At the moment it's unknown, which is what, in the short-term, a vote to leave was - a vote for uncertainty. Out of interest - how quick did you think everything would be sorted if we voted to leave? I means there's going to be mind-numbingly slow discussions for the next two years at least, probably more like five years. Maybe even 10. The problem is none of these Tories actually has a plan, a vision or even the mental capacity to sort this bloody mess out. Whatever happens Brexit will be slow, dragged out, torturous and may not even happen at all. Thanks Cameron It's got to be slow, it's a massive task. As for plan, how do you know they don't have one? You can't expect them to blab that stuff out in public so soon. My worry is the Tories are doing the dirty behind voters backs. Im praying they are actually working hard for a better Britain
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 12:26:58 GMT
The problem is none of these Tories actually has a plan, a vision or even the mental capacity to sort this bloody mess out. Whatever happens Brexit will be slow, dragged out, torturous and may not even happen at all. Thanks Cameron It's got to be slow, it's a massive task. As for plan, how do you know they don't have one?You can't expect them to blab that stuff out in public so soon. My worry is the Tories are doing the dirty behind voters backs. Im praying they are actually working hard for a better Britain Lot's of contradictions between May and Fox, Boris Johnson falling out with everyone...it's pretty clear the Tories weren't expecting to actually have to get to grips with it. It's just going to drag on and on and on...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 12:57:19 GMT
It's got to be slow, it's a massive task. As for plan, how do you know they don't have one?You can't expect them to blab that stuff out in public so soon. My worry is the Tories are doing the dirty behind voters backs. Im praying they are actually working hard for a better Britain Lot's of contradictions between May and Fox, Boris Johnson falling out with everyone...it's pretty clear the Tories weren't expecting to actually have to get to grips with it. It's just going to drag on and on and on... So, you don't know whether they have a plan. It was always gong to "drag on " it's a massive thing to do
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 13:05:09 GMT
Lot's of contradictions between May and Fox, Boris Johnson falling out with everyone...it's pretty clear the Tories weren't expecting to actually have to get to grips with it. It's just going to drag on and on and on... So, you don't know whether they have a plan. It was always gong to "drag on " it's a massive thing to do They haven't got any key staff in place yet, so of course they don't have a plan. OK, they may have the vaguest whiff of a direction but a plan? Not a prayer at this juncture i'm afraid
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