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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 18:16:58 GMT
Who elected Merkel? What influence does the UK have in her election? How do we get rid of her? When she leaves, let's say she is not there in 10 years time, is it a given that the next German chancellor will be the Emperor ( or Empress., Harry!) of the EU? Anyway the circles are going round, little point in my debating this, even my Remainer friends acknowledge that the EU is not democratic , so little point in debating this particular point ad infinitum if minds are already closed. The EU is more democratic than our system with fewer unelected people making laws than here. Keep trying to convince yourself, you might eventually win that argument. By the way the comparison is not between the UK Parliamentary system and the EU bureaucracy.. .it is about which jurisdiction should have precedence and whether we need both. Anyway the people have decided to leave, as much as you try not to understand that simple part of democracy AND the world has not fallen apart, but keep up the futile predictions
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 18:58:05 GMT
Legal perspective on the single market; Although the “single market” is most often viewed positively in economic terms, in fact it consists of a number of different elements some of which are positive, some of which are more equivocal, and others of which are downright negatives. In this category are the fact that it requires the UK to impose sometimes inappropriate tariffs and prevents the UK from negotiating its own trade agreements, and the “Fortress Europe” regulatory restrictions against imports from non-EU countries which damage consumers and drive up costs needlessly. Access to the single market is not the same as, and does not necessarily require, membership of the single market with all the negative aspects which that involves. Further reading: Daniel Hannan MEP argues that the "single market" is a misleading title: see Remain campaign is misleading voters on the Single Market www.lawyersforbritain.org/eu-deal-single-market.shtml
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 19:12:44 GMT
Germany and the EU cannot afford to drive a hard bargain over Brexit by Gunnar Beck, Barrister and Reader in EU law & Legal Theory, University of London This article first appeared in the Wall Street Journal Europe Germany seems to be softening her stance on Brexit. On 17 August Michael Roth, Germany’s Minister of European Affairs said, “Given Britain’s size, significance, and its long membership of the European Union, there will probably be a special status which only bears limited comparison to that of countries that have never belonged to the European Union.” .......................................... Other extracts from the link below; Few, however, realise how weak Germany’s and the EU’s negotiating position actually is. Chancellor Merkel is committed to ‘ever closer integration’ at no matter what cost and wants to transform Germany into the ‘moral superpower’ of the 21st century. www.lawyersforbritain.org/eu-deal-germany-cant-afford-hard-bargain.shtml
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 19:19:06 GMT
Just as well that we have escaped from the jurisdiction of this POLITICAL, Non independent court; Summary from the link below; In summary, as a matter of law, Britain can leave the EU without any liability for allegedly outstanding sums under the EU budget and other EU legal instruments. Whether or not it is politically wise for the UK to do so, is, of course, another question. If a trade deal can be agreed, the UK Government will in due course have to consider the financial benefits of that deal and balance the benefits against any price tag the EU may put on the deal, while bearing in mind that a trade deal which benefits the UK, also benefits most EU members which run substantial trade surpluses with Britain. What price a trade deal might be worth paying, is a question which cannot be answered at this stage; it will crucially depend on the terms of the deal. What can be said, however, and said categorically, is that any EU-UK trade or wider collaboration agreement which, directly or indirectly, assigns the settlement of any disputes to the ECJ will not be worth having, because that agreement would invariably and consistently be construed in the EU’s favour and against the UK. Such an agreement would not be worth the paper it is written on because the ECJ will never be an impartial arbiter in the settlement of disputes involving the EU. It sees itself and has always acted as the judicial agent of ‘ever closer union.’ www.lawyersforbritain.org/eu-deal-ecj-jurisdiction.shtml
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 23:14:29 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 23:16:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 4:39:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 5:20:44 GMT
A poem by Rudyard Kipling
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 5:46:11 GMT
Take heed...This is what happens when Brussels takes full control of your government
Notice they call them anarchists......they are Greek citizens that have had their democratic rights taken away by the crackpot leaders of the eu probably doing the bidding of germany
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 6:54:00 GMT
Take heed...This is what happens when Brussels takes full control of your government Notice they call them anarchists......they are Greek citizens that have had their democratic rights taken away by the crackpot leaders of the eu probably doing the bidding of germany They're either from the extreme left or extreme right? At least, we know where your sympathies lay?
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 6:55:50 GMT
A poem by Rudyard Kipling He should be telling the E.U. never go near a U.K.I.P. M.E.P.'s meeting? Bang! Wallop! Anthony Joshua style?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 7:14:24 GMT
A poem by Rudyard Kipling He should be telling the E.U. never go near a U.K.I.P. M.E.P.'s meeting? Bang! Wallop! Anthony Joshua style? Better still tell juncker to stay away from the wine bars
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 7:23:57 GMT
Take heed...This is what happens when Brussels takes full control of your government Notice they call them anarchists......they are Greek citizens that have had their democratic rights taken away by the crackpot leaders of the eu probably doing the bidding of germany They're either from the extreme left or extreme right? At least, we know where your sympathies lay? They are Greek citizens and "if" they are extreme left or extreme right, it's probably the European Union that has pushed them to it thats what the eu are creating all over the 28 with their anti democratic, not listening to the public attitudes
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 18, 2017 8:00:56 GMT
They're either from the extreme left or extreme right? At least, we know where your sympathies lay? They are Greek citizens and "if" they are extreme left or extreme right, it's probably the European Union that has pushed them to it thats what the eu are creating all over the 28 with their anti democratic, not listening to the public attitudes I think they are all rushing to get hold of your old ST as you disliked Uncle Peter's views on 'Brexit'?
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Post by followyoudown on May 18, 2017 8:16:54 GMT
He should be telling the E.U. never go near a U.K.I.P. M.E.P.'s meeting? Bang! Wallop! Anthony Joshua style? Better still tell juncker to stay away from the wine bars And Nicholas too judging by the excitable nature of his output this morning
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 8:53:59 GMT
They are Greek citizens and "if" they are extreme left or extreme right, it's probably the European Union that has pushed them to it thats what the eu are creating all over the 28 with their anti democratic, not listening to the public attitudes I think they are all rushing to get hold of your old ST as you disliked Uncle Peter's views on 'Brexit'? Well, certainly a good view if anything exciting ever breaks out on the pitch edit my views on peter were drawn on the way his arrogance came out to a woman who made a very good point
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Post by bathstoke on May 18, 2017 17:24:57 GMT
Hey, I've got a house to sell you. I Havnt had it valued, but I'll sell it you for £350k. You don't have to see it before you buy, cause you can trust me. I am sure this is a good deal for you, no need to worry your pretty little heads about the nuts & bolts.
Just send £350k in Bitcoins to BathStoke.com
ThanXx
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 18, 2017 17:38:22 GMT
Hey, I've got a house to sell you. I Havnt had it valued, but I'll sell it you for £350k. You don't have to see it before you buy, cause you can trust me. I am sure this is a good deal for you, no need to worry your pretty little heads about the nuts & bolts. Just send £350k in Bitcoins to BathStoke.com ThanXx Every expert I've spoke to has told me not to buy it. Evey expert has told me that it will probably mean I'm going to be a bit skint for at least the next 10 years. What do they know. Fuck it, I'll take it.
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Post by bathstoke on May 18, 2017 17:44:05 GMT
Hey, I've got a house to sell you. I Havnt had it valued, but I'll sell it you for £350k. You don't have to see it before you buy, cause you can trust me. I am sure this is a good deal for you, no need to worry your pretty little heads about the nuts & bolts. Just send £350k in Bitcoins to BathStoke.com ThanXx Every expert I've spoke to has told me not to buy it. Evey expert has told me that it will probably mean I'm going to be a bit skint for at least the next 10 years. What do they know. Fuck it, I'll take it. Lubbly-Jubbly, You know it makes sense squire. 'Ere, Spit & Shake
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 18, 2017 17:56:34 GMT
Every expert I've spoke to has told me not to buy it. Evey expert has told me that it will probably mean I'm going to be a bit skint for at least the next 10 years. What do they know. Fuck it, I'll take it. Lubbly-Jubbly, You know it makes sense squire. 'Ere, Spit & Shake Deal. I'm not sure if I've got the money, but I absolutely believe that I do have the money. I've not had time to apply for a mortgage because I've put all my effort into thinking it'll be OK. I have just made my first deposit of self-belief into your account.
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Post by Northy on May 19, 2017 19:56:13 GMT
2005 Tony Blair, President of the EU tells Nigel Farage he doesnt represent the British people, oops
about 2.50 in
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 21:55:34 GMT
Better still tell juncker to stay away from the wine bars And Nicholas too judging by the excitable nature of his output this morning Excitable is one way of describing it I suppose .
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Post by harryburrows on May 21, 2017 10:41:19 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 24, 2017 9:23:37 GMT
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 24, 2017 11:23:15 GMT
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 24, 2017 22:38:24 GMT
Why is that not democracy?
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Post by essexstokey on May 24, 2017 22:51:50 GMT
Why is that not democracy? Because roger says so!! roger wouldn't know democracy if it hit him in the face!! anything that doesn't agree with his right wing view is not democratic
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 25, 2017 2:47:10 GMT
Why is that not democracy? A country which bends over backwards to show how Liberal it is and uses PR in its voting but the party with the second largest number of votes is excluded from talks because Mark Rutte doesn't like them.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on May 25, 2017 7:40:14 GMT
Why is that not democracy? A country which bends over backwards to show how Liberal it is and uses PR in its voting but the party with the second largest number of votes is excluded from talks because Mark Rutte doesn't like them. The people who voted for Rutte knew that he would not include Wilders in the talks. He made that particularly clear in the run-up to the election. A vote for Rutte was, amongst other things, a vote to exclude Wilders from being involved in government.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 19:24:14 GMT
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