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Post by essexstokey on May 16, 2017 19:05:31 GMT
Ok inflation isn't going up and brexit hasn't effected this ok in Sainsbury's bread has increased by 33% in 2 months (own brand) and other products have either been reduced in size or gone up by 15-30p or more the same has happened at other supermarkets this is because food, raw materials have come from outside the uk and the pound is low against other currencies as this continues towards and after Brexit inflation will go up while wages are freezed this means in real term a cut in the standard of living. Prices going up she has now clue how to help out people (just watched her in stoke avoid the question YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!Can see why the Tories are stage managing her, she stutters and cant express herself you can see why chicken may wont debate she's week and unstable So maybe we will stop finally buying wheat from Ukraine and milk from Poland and take care of U.K. Farmers And which companies buy from these countries the conservative supporting big wigs at all our supermarkets going for the cheapest prices and someone earlier said capitalism does not effect this countries businesses what a joke.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 16, 2017 19:39:03 GMT
Ok inflation isn't going up and brexit hasn't effected this ok in Sainsbury's bread has increased by 33% in 2 months (own brand) and other products have either been reduced in size or gone up by 15-30p or more the same has happened at other supermarkets this is because food, raw materials have come from outside the uk and the pound is low against other currencies as this continues towards and after Brexit inflation will go up while wages are freezed this means in real term a cut in the standard of living. Prices going up she has now clue how to help out people (just watched her in stoke avoid the question YOU CANT TRUST THE TORIES!!
The conservatives putting the con in politics!!Can see why the Tories are stage managing her, she stutters and cant express herself you can see why chicken may wont debate she's week and unstable So maybe we will stop finally buying wheat from Ukraine and milk from Poland and take care of U.K. Farmers All but the massive commercial farms (often not owned by Brits) will be out of business unless their subsidies continue when we leave, which they won't with the tories in charge.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 16, 2017 20:18:52 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2017 10:46:37 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven.
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 10:52:37 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. I think in all fairness to may she just wants the full backing of the electorate . The EU leadership will ensure we get the shitty end of the stick .
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 11:02:28 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Dunner worry mate, that part of it is just the poker face its all bollocks dont think for one minute that may is all for hard Brexit shes "playing" it hard to get all ukip votes, to get a better deal with the Brussels cunts, but at the end of the day she will not be leaving under wto rules. Unfortunately, I personally believe the woman is a remainer through and through everthing she has said says she's a brexitier she has actually done nothing but stall, allowing remainers to get one step ahead all the time if she turns out to be what I suspect.....another Cameron / Blair i will vote marxist party next time fucking sick of the lies from all sides sad maryy
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 11:09:26 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Why do you bother posting this? You do know it's not true, or do you actually believe this?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2017 11:36:31 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Why do you bother posting this? You do know it's not true, or do you actually believe this? Which bit isn't true? May's incredibly hard stance with Europe? You cannot say she hasn't been rather aggressive. I hope she is just doing it to get ukip voters and when it comes down to negotiations she realises being a bloody difficult lady will get her nowhere. The Henry the 8th law changes? That will happen. No chance Parliament have the resources to change everything with primary legislation. There will be little scrutiny. Or the potential for us to end up being a tax haven? This is a risk if May decides to go through with her threats.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2017 11:40:54 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Dunner worry mate, that part of it is just the poker face its all bollocks dont think for one minute that may is all for hard Brexit shes "playing" it hard to get all ukip votes, to get a better deal with the Brussels cunts, but at the end of the day she will not be leaving under wto rules. Unfortunately, I personally believe the woman is a remainer through and through everthing she has said says she's a brexitier she has actually done nothing but stall, allowing remainers to get one step ahead all the time if she turns out to be what I suspect.....another Cameron / Blair i will vote marxist party next time fucking sick of the lies from all sides sad maryy I bloody well hope you are right otherwise we are heading for a disasterous economic decade or so. May seems to have no negotiation skills. Being aggressive and antogonising the EU will get her nowhere because they have more power then is. Her tactic just serves to satisfy Paul Dacre. Anyone who negotiates for a living knows the difference between being firm in your position and being aggressive and which one gets results.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 11:49:05 GMT
Dunner worry mate, that part of it is just the poker face its all bollocks dont think for one minute that may is all for hard Brexit shes "playing" it hard to get all ukip votes, to get a better deal with the Brussels cunts, but at the end of the day she will not be leaving under wto rules. Unfortunately, I personally believe the woman is a remainer through and through everthing she has said says she's a brexitier she has actually done nothing but stall, allowing remainers to get one step ahead all the time if she turns out to be what I suspect.....another Cameron / Blair i will vote marxist party next time fucking sick of the lies from all sides sad maryy I bloody well hope you are right otherwise we are heading for a disasterous economic decade or so. May seems to have no negotiation skills. Being aggressive and antogonising the EU will get her nowhere because they have more power then is. Her tactic just serves to satisfy Paul Dacre. Anyone who negotiates for a living knows the difference between being firm in your position and being aggressive and which one gets results. That's where we differ I want what she's promised and I wanted it immediately drawing it out is whats hurting this country it needs direction one way one way or the other not uncertainty
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 12:27:03 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Leaving the EU does not mean severing all ties with Europe. This is something you choose not to want to understand, as you are fixed in your entrenched view. The EU is about anti democratic, bureaucratic, political control, one aspect of which includes their control of trade....other aspects such as control of borders, currency and laws as we progress to ever closer union you choose to ignore. This simple explanation might help , but I doubt it You can have the last word on this Oggy because I am not rerunning the Referendum, that happened last year and all sides made it absolutely clear that Leaving meant Leaving, not being in, being out. I even got a letter through the door from the Prime minister trying to scare me into staying by making it clear that it was my decision, no going back, he promised he would do what the people decide....all the nonsense about hard and soft Brexit has been contrived in the fight by those who cannot accept a view other than their own.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 12:32:15 GMT
Farage gives juncker a broadside
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 12:34:29 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Leaving the EU does not mean severing all goes with Europe. This is something you choose not to want to understand, as you are fixed in your entrenched view. The EU is about anti democratic, bureaucratic, political control one aspect of which includes their control of trade....other aspects such as control of borders, currency and laws as we progress to ever closer union you choose to ignore. This simply explanation might help might help , but I doubt it You can have the last word on this Oggy because I am not returning the Referendum, that happened last year and all sides made it absolutely clear that Leaving meant Leaving, not being in, being out. I even got a letter through the door from the Prime minister trying to scare me into staying by making it clear that it was my decision, no going back, he promised he would do what the people decide....all the nonsense about hard and soft Brexit has been contrived in the fight by those who cannot accept a view other than their own.
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 12:46:57 GMT
Farage gives juncker a broadside Not sure about the ukip spokesman there Minnie , smacks of tokenism . Getting back to the serious business though . Who suggested we could leave this year ?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 12:50:10 GMT
Farage gives juncker a broadside Not sure about the ukip spokesman there Minnie , smacks of tokenism . Getting back to the serious business though . Who suggested we could leave this year ? Spokesperson Harry surely!😀
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 13:00:38 GMT
God's started the thread in July, I am inviting trouble here, but what risks have actually materialised into actualities? I think the implications and untwining from Brexit will take years.It will be impossible to directly link outcomes with causes, particularly because the alternative ...the risks of belonging to the self serving elitist dishonest quango will be unknown ( except the relentless pursuit of ever closer union, ....a United States of Europe , undemocratically controlled by those who will not have our interest uppermost, whose real concern is control and whose main priority is the Euro...is much more threatening )
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 13:10:51 GMT
Not sure about the ukip spokesman there Minnie , smacks of tokenism . Getting back to the serious business though . Who suggested we could leave this year ? Spokesperson Harry surely!😀 Good point well made
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 17, 2017 13:13:36 GMT
A vote for Brexit would mean everyone is going to lose their jobs, BigJohn...
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 13:17:44 GMT
A vote for Brexit would mean everyone is going to lose their jobs, BigJohn... I bet the folks in Greece , Italy , Spain , Portugal feel blessed
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 17, 2017 13:34:10 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Who elected Merkel? What influence does the UK have in her election? How do we get rid of her? When she leaves, let's say she is not there in 10 years time, is it a given that the next German chancellor will be the Emperor ( or Empress., Harry!) of the EU? Anyway the circles are going round, little point in my debating this, even my Remainer friends acknowledge that the EU is not democratic , so little point in debating this particular point ad infinitum if minds are already closed.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 13:48:55 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. It's all wrong. 1) "sever all links with the EU" - wrong. "Free trade with European markets through a bold and ambitious free trade agreement with the European Union." "Protect workers' rights. Not only will the government protect the rights of workers set out in European legislation, we will build on them." "We will welcome agreement to continue to collaborate with our European partners on major science, research and technology initiatives." "Co-operation in the fight against crime and terrorism. We will continue to work closely with our European allies in foreign and defence policy even as we leave the EU itself." - Theresa May, January 2017. 2) "nobody voted to leave the single market" - wrong. it's all interesting but Clegg and the infamous clips start at about 4:30 in. Here's the Government's leaflet which Cameron sent to EVERY home in the UK. "Losing our full access to the EU’s Single Market would make exporting to Europe harder and increase costs." - page 6, Cost of Living. 3) "leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny" - wrong The 'Great' Repeal Bill will pass all EU law into UK law to ensure smooth transition the day after Brexit. Yes there will be a lot to sift through over the coming years but not without debate..... "Then begins the long-term process of the government, and Parliament, choosing what it wants to do with the laws it has incorporated from the EU." Some powers coming back from the EU won't reside at Westminster but pass through to the devolved regions. Regarding the so called Henry the Eighth Powers ...."Ministers have attempted to reassure critics by saying such measures will be time limited and not be used to make policy changes." 4) "May and the right wing" - depends on your perspective. Tomorrow we see the Conservative Manifesto. I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm rather hoping that it's staunchly centre ground. Well see.
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Post by Northy on May 17, 2017 13:50:26 GMT
A vote for Brexit would mean everyone is going to lose their jobs, BigJohn... I bet the folks in Greece , Italy , Spain , Portugal feel blessed I was working in Spain last week, their economy is on the up, unemployment has now fallen to 15% the way one guy described the way they could handle when it was 25% was that everybody moved back in with their families, 3 or 4 generations all living under 1 roof, imagine the welfare claimants in this country having to do that !
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 14:03:57 GMT
I bet the folks in Greece , Italy , Spain , Portugal feel blessed I was working in Spain last week, their economy is on the up, unemployment has now fallen to 15% the way one guy described the way they could handle when it was 25% was that everybody moved back in with their families, 3 or 4 generations all living under 1 roof, imagine the welfare claimants in this country having to do that ! Delores probably sleeps with them anyway
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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2017 17:27:29 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Leaving the EU does not mean severing all ties with Europe. This is something you choose not to want to understand, as you are fixed in your entrenched view. The EU is about anti democratic, bureaucratic, political control, one aspect of which includes their control of trade....other aspects such as control of borders, currency and laws as we progress to ever closer union you choose to ignore. This simple explanation might help , but I doubt it You can have the last word on this Oggy because I am not rerunning the Referendum, that happened last year and all sides made it absolutely clear that Leaving meant Leaving, not being in, being out. I even got a letter through the door from the Prime minister trying to scare me into staying by making it clear that it was my decision, no going back, he promised he would do what the people decide....all the nonsense about hard and soft Brexit has been contrived in the fight by those who cannot accept a view other than their own. So you're telling me leaving means one thing and it irrelevant who is conducting the negotiations because ot will end up with the same outcome regardless!? Then why are we negotiating anything if there is only one outcome!?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2017 17:29:42 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. It's all wrong. 1) "sever all links with the EU" - wrong. "Free trade with European markets through a bold and ambitious free trade agreement with the European Union." "Protect workers' rights. Not only will the government protect the rights of workers set out in European legislation, we will build on them." "We will welcome agreement to continue to collaborate with our European partners on major science, research and technology initiatives." "Co-operation in the fight against crime and terrorism. We will continue to work closely with our European allies in foreign and defence policy even as we leave the EU itself." - Theresa May, January 2017. 2) "nobody voted to leave the single market" - wrong. it's all interesting but Clegg and the infamous clips start at about 4:30 in. Here's the Government's leaflet which Cameron sent to EVERY home in the UK. "Losing our full access to the EU’s Single Market would make exporting to Europe harder and increase costs." - page 6, Cost of Living. 3) "leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny" - wrong The 'Great' Repeal Bill will pass all EU law into UK law to ensure smooth transition the day after Brexit. Yes there will be a lot to sift through over the coming years but not without debate..... "Then begins the long-term process of the government, and Parliament, choosing what it wants to do with the laws it has incorporated from the EU." Some powers coming back from the EU won't reside at Westminster but pass through to the devolved regions. Regarding the so called Henry the Eighth Powers ...."Ministers have attempted to reassure critics by saying such measures will be time limited and not be used to make policy changes." 4) "May and the right wing" - depends on your perspective. Tomorrow we see the Conservative Manifesto. I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm rather hoping that it's staunchly centre ground. Well see. Did you have a different question on your paper on 23 June to me? Did I not turn it over to read the question asking me whether or not we wanted to remain part of the single market if we leave??
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Post by oggyoggy on May 17, 2017 17:31:09 GMT
As a doomongerer, it is not leaving the EU that worries me. It is leaving under May and her 3 or 4 cronies who are determined to try and sever all links with the EU that worries me. It worries me that nobody voted to leave the single market and she has decided that that is what the referendum question was actually about, which it obviously wasn't. It particularly worries me to think what she will do with the Henry the 8th law changes. Are you not concerned that we are leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny? It makes the EU seem like a perfect democracy in comparison. Of course there is opportunity with leaving but under May and the right wing I fear that we will end up like Luxemborg or a island tax haven. Who elected Merkel? What influence does the UK have in her election? How do we get rid of her? When she leaves, let's say she is not there in 10 years time, is it a given that the next German chancellor will be the Emperor ( or Empress., Harry!) of the EU? Anyway the circles are going round, little point in my debating this, even my Remainer friends acknowledge that the EU is not democratic , so little point in debating this particular point ad infinitum if minds are already closed. The EU is more democratic than our system with fewer unelected people making laws than here.
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Post by followyoudown on May 17, 2017 17:54:26 GMT
It's all wrong. 1) "sever all links with the EU" - wrong. "Free trade with European markets through a bold and ambitious free trade agreement with the European Union." "Protect workers' rights. Not only will the government protect the rights of workers set out in European legislation, we will build on them." "We will welcome agreement to continue to collaborate with our European partners on major science, research and technology initiatives." "Co-operation in the fight against crime and terrorism. We will continue to work closely with our European allies in foreign and defence policy even as we leave the EU itself." - Theresa May, January 2017. 2) "nobody voted to leave the single market" - wrong. it's all interesting but Clegg and the infamous clips start at about 4:30 in. Here's the Government's leaflet which Cameron sent to EVERY home in the UK. "Losing our full access to the EU’s Single Market would make exporting to Europe harder and increase costs." - page 6, Cost of Living. 3) "leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny" - wrong The 'Great' Repeal Bill will pass all EU law into UK law to ensure smooth transition the day after Brexit. Yes there will be a lot to sift through over the coming years but not without debate..... "Then begins the long-term process of the government, and Parliament, choosing what it wants to do with the laws it has incorporated from the EU." Some powers coming back from the EU won't reside at Westminster but pass through to the devolved regions. Regarding the so called Henry the Eighth Powers ...."Ministers have attempted to reassure critics by saying such measures will be time limited and not be used to make policy changes." 4) "May and the right wing" - depends on your perspective. Tomorrow we see the Conservative Manifesto. I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm rather hoping that it's staunchly centre ground. Well see. Did you have a different question on your paper on 23 June to me? Did I not turn it over to read the question asking me whether or not we wanted to remain part of the single market if we leave?? How many more fucking times does this need explaining to people.......... You can't be a member of the single market if you are not a member of the EU, if you vote to leave the EU you cease to be a member of the single market this was repeatedly told to people pre referendum. After you leave the EU you can still trade with the single market at WTO tariffs or you can try and negotiate a free trade deal where you have no tariffs. You voted remain did you not understand the four freedoms (goods, capital, services, and labour) ? Did you not understand part of the reason for the referendum was being able to restrict freedom of movement of labour ? some fairly basic requests to do this by Cameron were refused. What did you think people were voting to leave ?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 17, 2017 17:54:53 GMT
It's all wrong. 1) "sever all links with the EU" - wrong. "Free trade with European markets through a bold and ambitious free trade agreement with the European Union." "Protect workers' rights. Not only will the government protect the rights of workers set out in European legislation, we will build on them." "We will welcome agreement to continue to collaborate with our European partners on major science, research and technology initiatives." "Co-operation in the fight against crime and terrorism. We will continue to work closely with our European allies in foreign and defence policy even as we leave the EU itself." - Theresa May, January 2017. 2) "nobody voted to leave the single market" - wrong. it's all interesting but Clegg and the infamous clips start at about 4:30 in. Here's the Government's leaflet which Cameron sent to EVERY home in the UK. "Losing our full access to the EU’s Single Market would make exporting to Europe harder and increase costs." - page 6, Cost of Living. 3) "leaving the EU for our laws to be determined by 4 or 5 people without any democratic scrutiny" - wrong The 'Great' Repeal Bill will pass all EU law into UK law to ensure smooth transition the day after Brexit. Yes there will be a lot to sift through over the coming years but not without debate..... "Then begins the long-term process of the government, and Parliament, choosing what it wants to do with the laws it has incorporated from the EU." Some powers coming back from the EU won't reside at Westminster but pass through to the devolved regions. Regarding the so called Henry the Eighth Powers ...."Ministers have attempted to reassure critics by saying such measures will be time limited and not be used to make policy changes." 4) "May and the right wing" - depends on your perspective. Tomorrow we see the Conservative Manifesto. I wouldn't be surprised, and I'm rather hoping that it's staunchly centre ground. Well see. Did you have a different question on your paper on 23 June to me? Did I not turn it over to read the question asking me whether or not we wanted to remain part of the single market if we leave?? I knew that a vote to Leave would almost certainly mean changing the terms of trading with the Single Market. If you didn't understand that then only you know's why that was. I wouldn't presume to know what others knew when they voted. Unlike you, who continually repeats that those who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for even though I've proved the information was out there
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 18:01:52 GMT
Did you have a different question on your paper on 23 June to me? Did I not turn it over to read the question asking me whether or not we wanted to remain part of the single market if we leave?? I knew that a vote to Leave would almost certainly mean changing the terms of trading with the Single Market. If you didn't understand that then only you know's why that was. I wouldn't presume to know what others knew when they voted. Unlike you, who continually repeats that those who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for even though I've proved the information was out there He's a wind up merchant rog , I had the same conversation with him 6 months ago
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Post by harryburrows on May 17, 2017 18:03:24 GMT
Did you have a different question on your paper on 23 June to me? Did I not turn it over to read the question asking me whether or not we wanted to remain part of the single market if we leave?? How many more fucking times does this need explaining to people.......... You can't be a member of the single market if you are not a member of the EU, if you vote to leave the EU you cease to be a member of the single market this was repeatedly told to people pre referendum. After you leave the EU you can still trade with the single market at WTO tariffs or you can try and negotiate a free trade deal where you have no tariffs. You voted remain did you not understand the four freedoms (goods, capital, services, and labour) ? Did you not understand part of the reason for the referendum was being able to restrict freedom of movement of labour ? some fairly basic requests to do this by Cameron were refused. What did you think people were voting to leave ? Give it up mate he's only doing it to get a reaction
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