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Post by spitthedog on Jul 2, 2016 17:21:19 GMT
What have been the FA's response to England's failures in recent years
Premiership B teams who play Northampton, Forest Green and Port Vale i.e piddling about with our lower league structure because the Premiership, as a money spinning circus is untouchable.
Maybe the Wales success will prove that they just need to make bold appointments and make sure the manager is doing is job & knows how to organise a team.
On a broader level, for me we just need more parks where kids can put down jumpers and play until its dark, and parents who will let them do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 17:32:22 GMT
we just need more parks where kids can put down jumpers and play until its dark, and parents who will let them do it. Can't see it happening. Too many bogeymen/paedophiles and pale spotty kids of today want to play computer games or watch TV while they get goggle eyes and need glasses at aged 10.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 2, 2016 17:41:50 GMT
we just need more parks where kids can put down jumpers and play until its dark, and parents who will let them do it. Can't see it happening. Too many bogeymen/paedophiles and pale spotty kids of today want to play computer games or watch TV while they get goggle eyes and need glasses at aged 10. The trouble is, the parents of today's youngsters were not bought up either, playing outside in all weathers, so neither will their kids kids,which is a shame, but then again if they have a Computer games World championship, we may have a few winners there.
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Post by senojbor on Jul 2, 2016 18:15:09 GMT
Apart from the later stages of last season when he was clearly effected by his back injury Ryan Shawcross has been England's best centre half for years. Hodgson really had to consider him at one stage and played him as a sub against Sweden in 2012. Sweden were ripping England apart when he come on for the last 15 minutes. He had hardly time to settle when Ibrahimovic went passed him and scored. He was never considered again. Cahill played the whole of that game and played every game when we finished bottom of the group in Brazil. Cahill played in all the Euro games and was even captain in one. What a nonsense. Raheem Stirling also played in that Sweden game and has always been one of Hodgson's 'big club' players and despite only scoring 2 England goals in four years (both at Wembley) against low ranking teams still somehow managed to be regularly selected. Even to the casual observer Sterling has been consistently poor both for his club and country. Played in all three games in the last World cup too. Hodgson didn't learn did he. What a nonsense Kane and Vardy. Between them they scored 49 goals in the premier league last season and should have played as a striking partnership. The team should have been built around them two but no. He found a way of leaving Vardy out to accommodate his 'big club' players. Sturridge despite his goal against Wales was poor. Even Rashford for the little game time he played looked far better at beating players out wide than Sterling. What a nonesense. Joe Hart has been poor for some time both for his club and country. Peligrini even dropped him at one stage, but has been ever present for England. His mistake against Iceland cost us the game. Had Butland not been injured I doubt he'd have got a game because of Hodgson's 'big club' mentality but nevertheless Forster should have replaced him after his mistake against Wales. What a nonsense. To sum it up Hodgson had always been a manager who disregarded decent players for 'big club' players of lesser ability. His decision not to take Drinkwater who was one of the PL's most consistent players last season to make way for Milner highlights the worst manager England have ever had. Vardy was utter dog shit throughout the tournament. Did he touch the ball other than his goal? I agree about Drinkwater but if you think he could of made a difference against Iceland then you're mistaken. the whole team bottled it, he would of been no different. You're missing the point there Pugwash. I was highlighting what an absolute failure Hodgson has been in his four years in charge both in team selection, tactics and management skills. I said before the tournament began that the only thing to stop England doing very well was Hodgson. He somehow made a promising, exciting group of players to play like amateurs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 18:27:27 GMT
Apart from the later stages of last season when he was clearly effected by his back injury Ryan Shawcross has been England's best centre half for years. Hodgson really had to consider him at one stage and played him as a sub against Sweden in 2012. Sweden were ripping England apart when he come on for the last 15 minutes. He had hardly time to settle when Ibrahimovic went passed him and scored. He was never considered again. Cahill played the whole of that game and played every game when we finished bottom of the group in Brazil. Cahill played in all the Euro games and was even captain in one. What a nonsense. Raheem Stirling also played in that Sweden game and has always been one of Hodgson's 'big club' players and despite only scoring 2 England goals in four years (both at Wembley) against low ranking teams still somehow managed to be regularly selected. Even to the casual observer Sterling has been consistently poor both for his club and country. Played in all three games in the last World cup too. Hodgson didn't learn did he. What a nonsense Kane and Vardy. Between them they scored 49 goals in the premier league last season and should have played as a striking partnership. The team should have been built around them two but no. He found a way of leaving Vardy out to accommodate his 'big club' players. Sturridge despite his goal against Wales was poor. Even Rashford for the little game time he played looked far better at beating players out wide than Sterling. What a nonesense. Joe Hart has been poor for some time both for his club and country. Peligrini even dropped him at one stage, but has been ever present for England. His mistake against Iceland cost us the game. Had Butland not been injured I doubt he'd have got a game because of Hodgson's 'big club' mentality but nevertheless Forster should have replaced him after his mistake against Wales. What a nonsense. To sum it up Hodgson had always been a manager who disregarded decent players for 'big club' players of lesser ability. His decision not to take Drinkwater who was one of the PL's most consistent players last season to make way for Milner highlights the worst manager England have ever had. Vardy was utter dog shit throughout the tournament. Did he touch the ball other than his goal? I agree about Drinkwater but if you think he could of made a difference against Iceland then you're mistaken. the whole team bottled it, he would of been no different. Vardy looked wank because his manager refused to play to his strengths. If you're going to select Vardy in your squad then you have have to be willing to change your system if he starts or comes on as sub. Hodgson was too scared/incompetent to do this because it would have meant leaving out certain players which he never had the bottle to do. Under a good manager we could really have caused an upset in this tournament,Hodgson was always going to be the man holding us back.
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Post by superheroantonius on Jul 2, 2016 18:41:42 GMT
The best thing about Wales and Iceland in this tournament, is they have shown having a game owned by money men ,run by money men and awash with money is surprise , surprise , not an advantage but a disadvantage .
Paying people millions for being mediocre breeds mediocrity
And on a football pitch playing as a team counts for more than having players who like ponder whether to invest in a holiday home in Dubai , buy a new Bentley , or just do both .
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 2, 2016 19:39:42 GMT
Where's 'str8outtahampton'with the root and branch review checklist when you need him on this?!
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 2, 2016 19:57:03 GMT
I hope Wales go all the way and win this tournament! Go on Wales!
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jul 2, 2016 20:07:46 GMT
England have been struggling to cut it in these tournaments a long time (1970) before money came into it.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 2, 2016 20:15:15 GMT
The best thing about Wales and Iceland in this tournament, is they have shown having a game owned by money men ,run by money men and awash with money is surprise , surprise , not an advantage but a disadvantage . Paying people millions for being mediocre breeds mediocrity And on a football pitch playing as a team counts for more than having players who like ponder whether to invest in a holiday home in Dubai , buy a new Bentley , or just do both . You're right in that neither Wales nor Iceland have a competetive league but then again none of the Wales or Iceland players play in their respective countries. The vast majority play in the big European Leagues and most are the Bentley driving millionaires you despise. What both of these 'smaller' nations do have is managers who know what they're doing. I would suggest the majority of the blame for England's shambolic performance lies in areas other than the players.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 3, 2016 7:22:03 GMT
I don't know which game tbh but there was a run of internationals he played in and did really well. I like the way he plays too, he's a clever footballer but he does need to add more goals and assists. Wilshere is the epitome of the flaws of the English footballer. There is a lot of talent there but he's never grown as a player because it isn't encouraged in England. He doesn't consider new dimensions to his game because it just isn't what they do in England. Pep got it absolutely right. In England a player controls a ball and passes it and he gets lauded like Zidane. Exactly, Joe. That's a big part of the problem; these players are raved about far too early and often by the media. We've had this with Sterling, Barkley and recently Alli, ever likely they think they are the bollocks if they are constantly told so. They don't feel the need to improve their game. Wilshere should never have gone in the first place because he wasn't fit. I said he and Henderson shouldn't have gone as did others but wanker Woy had to have them there. Both looked abject. The new manager should have the balls to go his own way and pick players to compliment his preferred system/set up, not shoehorn "star players" in just to appease them and the press.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 3, 2016 8:46:31 GMT
On paper the English team seem very strong and if you compare it to Italy the only two players I would have instead of the English choice are the two central defenders (Bonucci and Chiellini). Apart from those two I think you can find better or equally as good English players in all the other positions. Then it comes down to the choice of personell and tactics, and of course you can't predict that a player like Hart would make such crucial mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 20:42:47 GMT
On paper the English team seem very strong and if you compare it to Italy the only two players I would have instead of the English choice are the two central defenders (Bonucci and Chiellini). Apart from those two I think you can find better or equally as good English players in all the other positions. Then it comes down to the choice of personell and tactics, and of course you can't predict that a player like Hart would make such crucial mistakes. I think England's failure has always been to "adapt" to the European game at international level. I would rather they lost every other game but played how we normally play and to our strengths. If Kane or Vardy had played in the league against most of the back fours we drew or failed to beat they would of had hattrick's. I never understood why we always played to the opposition's strengths in tournaments
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 3, 2016 20:57:41 GMT
That is a mystery to most of the footballing world I think!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jul 3, 2016 22:16:16 GMT
That is a mystery to most of the footballing world I think! But not to our own FA, obviously.
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