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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 29, 2016 23:28:28 GMT
Just watching the re-run of Alan Shearers Euro 96 documentary and it got me thinking 'god that was a good team.
The amount of strong characters and leaders we had was very apparent.
So what are people's high England points over the years....?
For me the it was Gazzas goal against Scotland.....one of the top top finishes considering what was at stake.
Any others that come to mind?
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Post by petemac on Jun 29, 2016 23:36:19 GMT
No doubt we should of won that competition. The 4-1 against Holland was one of the best performances I've seen from England.
Oh Gazza, if only you had committed yourself to that chance to win by golden goal.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 30, 2016 0:15:48 GMT
Italia 90 and Euro 96. Heartbreak for us at the end of both of these tournaments in the end, but we have got nowhere near as close to winning a major tournament since.
Quality players all over the park, led in both cases by the sublime Paul Gascoigne.
How many of the shower that we watched on Monday night would get anywhere near those two squads??
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Post by kustokie on Jun 30, 2016 2:55:04 GMT
'66 Final. Down hill ever since.
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Post by onionman on Jun 30, 2016 3:09:47 GMT
1938. The last World Cup England didn't enter on the grounds that they were obviously the best team and it was an insult that anyone else thought otherwise.
We should have stuck to that.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 30, 2016 3:46:07 GMT
The demolition of Holland at Euro 96 was an immense team performance,but Italia '90 was something else.Scrappy,shaky beginnings,terrible group game against the Irish,then things gradually starting to gel,fabulous back 5,lungs,heart dynamism and no little creativity in midfield;fantasy,vision and Lineker wielding the surgical scalpel when it came to finishing the chances.Fabulous stuff,going toe to toe with the Eventual winners in a magnificent semi-final.
Thanks Sir Bobby,the most involving,absorbing game of nogger I've ever seen England involved in in my lifetime.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 5:15:35 GMT
Germany 1 England 5.............and even Heskey scored!
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 12:06:45 GMT
In 1996 football came home. Then it eloped with the Germans again.
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Post by werrington on Jun 30, 2016 12:48:30 GMT
In 1996 football came home. Then it eloped with the Germans again. Then we sacked venables for something away from football then the same with Hoddle We were on to something special but in typical fashion eh
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 12:57:15 GMT
In 1996 football came home. Then it eloped with the Germans again. Then we sacked venables for something away from football then the same with Hoddle We were on to something special but in typical fashion eh I have felt all the time Hoddles departure came down tothe huge dressing room row with Shearer. As soon as they fell out with Shearer they were gone. Bobby Robson Gullit and Hoddle. He was very goo at internal politics was Al.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Jun 30, 2016 13:00:10 GMT
Hoddle publishing his World Cup diaries did for him, much the way Leeds on Trial did for O'Leary.
The karma thing was the excuse they were looking for to get rid of him. The knives were already well and truly out.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 13:05:58 GMT
My favourite ever England game is beating Argentina 1-0 in 2002. Argentina team was like a who's who of world football. They were joint favourites with France and we beat them. Early in the second half we played the best football of the whole tournament. It's infuriatingly overlooked and forgotten. We got everything right.
It just shows people choose to overlook the good times and dwell on the bad ones. Trudging miserably back to the coaches in Nice on Monday I thought about that game.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 30, 2016 13:24:17 GMT
If the Oatcake had been around in the nineties there would still be the same amount of disquiet and scorn towards England.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jun 30, 2016 13:44:15 GMT
In 96 we got lucky against Spain with a 0-0 in a game they were all over us... a game we got through on pennos. Seaman made some blinding saves and Gazza gave the ball away multiple times. Shearer however was always dangerous and looked our best player... shame we don't still have shearer.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jun 30, 2016 14:06:24 GMT
,but Italia '90 was something else.Scrappy,shaky beginnings,terrible group game against the Irish,then things gradually starting to gel,fabulous back 5,lungs,heart dynamism and no little creativity in midfield;fantasy,vision and Lineker wielding the surgical scalpel when it came to finishing the chances.Fabulous stuff,going toe to toe with the Eventual winners in a magnificent semi-final. Not forgetting a really crap 1-0 win v Egypt, needing 2 penalties and extra time to beat rank outsiders Cameroon, extra time and a last min winner to rob Belgium, the best world cup since 66 for us but let's not get carried away, gripping viewing yes but not as good as some think in terms of our performances except Holland and Germany
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 14:30:11 GMT
They were men's teams though not under 21s who spray scent o0n their shirts.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 30, 2016 14:34:44 GMT
They were men's teams though not under 21s who spray scent o0n their shirts. How many times have I read on here the clamour to give the younger players a chance and criticism of the selection of established 'favourites' like Rooney.
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Post by werrington on Jun 30, 2016 14:42:37 GMT
If the Oatcake had been around in the nineties there would still be the same amount of disquiet and scorn towards England. Without a doubt ....There's many on here who will never accept who the manager is or who the players are They just hate England as it seems ( in their minds ) to make them less Stoke It's all pathetic
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Post by lordb on Jun 30, 2016 14:50:01 GMT
,but Italia '90 was something else.Scrappy,shaky beginnings,terrible group game against the Irish,then things gradually starting to gel,fabulous back 5,lungs,heart dynamism and no little creativity in midfield;fantasy,vision and Lineker wielding the surgical scalpel when it came to finishing the chances.Fabulous stuff,going toe to toe with the Eventual winners in a magnificent semi-final. Not forgetting a really crap 1-0 win v Egypt, needing 2 penalties and extra time to beat rank outsiders Cameroon, extra time and a last min winner to rob Belgium, the best world cup since 66 for us but let's not get carried away, gripping viewing yes but not as good as some think in terms of our performances except Holland and Germany The Belgium game was a classic 1st 30 minutes Belgium killed us, then England got in to it really good game but somehow took till the last kick for a goal from either side I don't see how that game can be used as a stick to beat England with us they playeed really well Cameroon game was far more patchy but we wern't lucky,Cameroon defended badly & England showed enough in spells to win. Thats what good sides do, they play well & win & when they don't play at the top of their game thgey do enough in the other games to still win.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 30, 2016 18:05:27 GMT
My favourite ever England game is beating Argentina 1-0 in 2002. Argentina team was like a who's who of world football. They were joint favourites with France and we beat them. Early in the second half we played the best football of the whole tournament. It's infuriatingly overlooked and forgotten. We got everything right. It just shows people choose to overlook the good times and dwell on the bad ones. Trudging miserably back to the coaches in Nice on Monday I thought about that game. Was that with Shearer and Sheringham up front Joe?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 18:06:41 GMT
They were men's teams though not under 21s who spray scent o0n their shirts. How many times have I read on here the clamour to give the younger players a chance and criticism of the selection of established 'favourites' like Rooney. Any man who has Liposuction, Botox and a hair transplant clearly has a lack of self esteem and is still immature ie Mr Rooney.
When players are more concerned with how they look and smell than with how they play the game someone in coaching is messing up BIG TIME.
PS Being a Bald , fat guy with a wrinkly face and sweaty armpits has never stopped me from kicking a ball and if the kids are good enough they will demand a place in the starting eleven they do not need positive discrimination, that will only make them soft.
We need the best players not the youngest or the oldest , just the best man for the job.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 18:22:12 GMT
My favourite ever England game is beating Argentina 1-0 in 2002. Argentina team was like a who's who of world football. They were joint favourites with France and we beat them. Early in the second half we played the best football of the whole tournament. It's infuriatingly overlooked and forgotten. We got everything right. It just shows people choose to overlook the good times and dwell on the bad ones. Trudging miserably back to the coaches in Nice on Monday I thought about that game. Was that with Shearer and Sheringham up front Joe? Sheringham and Owen. Scholes behind them. We played so well against a global powerhouse. So people forget it.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 30, 2016 18:30:38 GMT
Was that with Shearer and Sheringham up front Joe? Sheringham and Owen. Scholes behind them. We played so well against a global powerhouse. So people forget it. Think I can vaguely recall their keeper parrying a belting Sheringham volley after some really fluid build up play in that game? What an intelligent,underrated player Teddy was,even made Cascading look great at Millwall!
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jun 30, 2016 18:38:48 GMT
Not forgetting a really crap 1-0 win v Egypt, needing 2 penalties and extra time to beat rank outsiders Cameroon, extra time and a last min winner to rob Belgium, the best world cup since 66 for us but let's not get carried away, gripping viewing yes but not as good as some think in terms of our performances except Holland and Germany The Belgium game was a classic 1st 30 minutes Belgium killed us, then England got in to it really good game but somehow took till the last kick for a goal from either side I don't see how that game can be used as a stick to beat England with us they playeed really well Cameroon game was far more patchy but we wern't lucky,Cameroon defended badly & England showed enough in spells to win. Thats what good sides do, they play well & win & when they don't play at the top of their game thgey do enough in the other games to still win. That's it in a nutshell for me Lordb, It's a cliché to say it but Italy often look dreadful early on in tournaments,but more often than not they go deep into the tournament,Germany obviously too. I'm not romanticising England at Italia'90 at all really,things only really improved for us after a player's delegation went to Robson to express their concern at the tactics etc,so you know we we're pretty awful early on,Cameroon were indeed embarrassing us,but when we clicked,we played really fluid,mature footy.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 18:51:29 GMT
The Belgium game was a classic 1st 30 minutes Belgium killed us, then England got in to it really good game but somehow took till the last kick for a goal from either side I don't see how that game can be used as a stick to beat England with us they playeed really well Cameroon game was far more patchy but we wern't lucky,Cameroon defended badly & England showed enough in spells to win. Thats what good sides do, they play well & win & when they don't play at the top of their game thgey do enough in the other games to still win. That's it in a nutshell for me Lordb, It's a cliché to say it but Italy often look dreadful early on in tournaments,but more often than not they go deep into the tournament,Germany obviously too. I'm not romanticising England at Italia'90 at all really,things only really improved for us after a player's delegation went to Robson to express their concern at the tactics etc,so you know we we're pretty awful early on,Cameroon were indeed embarrassing us,but when we clicked,we played really fluid,mature footy. Robson said they decided use Wright as a sweeper v Netherlands before they left England. That's hard to believe.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 30, 2016 22:09:57 GMT
Where to start on our 6 knock-out wins in 50 years ...
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 23:46:12 GMT
Where to start on our 6 knock-out wins in 50 years ... If you are emphasising England's ongoing mediocrity there's no reason to this week.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 30, 2016 23:46:57 GMT
,but Italia '90 was something else.Scrappy,shaky beginnings,terrible group game against the Irish,then things gradually starting to gel,fabulous back 5,lungs,heart dynamism and no little creativity in midfield;fantasy,vision and Lineker wielding the surgical scalpel when it came to finishing the chances.Fabulous stuff,going toe to toe with the Eventual winners in a magnificent semi-final. Not forgetting a really crap 1-0 win v Egypt, needing 2 penalties and extra time to beat rank outsiders Cameroon, extra time and a last min winner to rob Belgium, the best world cup since 66 for us but let's not get carried away, gripping viewing yes but not as good as some think in terms of our performances except Holland and Germany Rob Belgium? That's bollox.
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Post by staffsvilla on Jul 1, 2016 6:32:41 GMT
Not forgetting a really crap 1-0 win v Egypt, needing 2 penalties and extra time to beat rank outsiders Cameroon, extra time and a last min winner to rob Belgium, the best world cup since 66 for us but let's not get carried away, gripping viewing yes but not as good as some think in terms of our performances except Holland and Germany Rob Belgium? That's bollox. Now I know I'm old but I'm not senile yet mate, they outplayed us for long periods, hit the woodwork twice and in the words of the press "Belgium who struck the woodwork twice were left with nothing to show for their technical superiority" The Times Don't get me wrong I loved Italia 90 ,the whole thing was great and watching England was pure drama but I just think time erodes the reality of what happened
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 1, 2016 6:58:47 GMT
Rob Belgium? That's bollox. Now I know I'm old but I'm not senile yet mate, they outplayed us for long periods, hit the woodwork twice and in the words of the press "Belgium who struck the woodwork twice were left with nothing to show for their technical superiority" The Times Don't get me wrong I loved Italia 90 ,the whole thing was great and watching England was pure drama but I just think time erodes the reality of what happened Belgo weren't robbed though. Don't forget we had big spells of the game too.
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