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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 5:23:46 GMT
What is the point to voting?
1- Tory Talks of second referendum, because it wasn't the result they wanted......or possibly going for a Norway style system which keeps with eu rules of open door immigration ( so against the will of the voters)
2- Labour leader being hounded out of the job he was democratically voted in to
When all we can do is VOTE, and them in control ignore, or twist the result to suit them....what is the point? .....Liars.
They've done a great job of dividing the masses to keep things going their way
I think ill stay in bed like the students the next time we have a vote
Or just wait for a civil war
This is similar to what happened when the Dutch and the Irish votes
Ignored
The system stinks
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 28, 2016 5:26:28 GMT
If it doesn't happen I'll never vote again
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 6:09:41 GMT
If it doesn't happen I'll never vote again Well I thought that, but there again that will suit them wouldn't it? They wouldn't need to break sweat I've noticed they are keeping farage well on the outside.....because he would expose them as he has the EU commissioners |
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Post by yoc on Jun 28, 2016 6:34:39 GMT
I wish everyone would just calm down. I voted out and I've seen or heard nothing to make me change my mind, just a load of bad losers who are bitter and twisted trying to whip up trouble, because they cannot except defeat. We might not get everything we want but it will not be far off, so rejoice.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 6:50:36 GMT
I wish everyone would just calm down. I voted out and I've seen or heard nothing to make me change my mind, just a load of bad losers who are bitter and twisted trying to whip up trouble, because they cannot except defeat. We might not get everything we want but it will not be far off, so rejoice. Today it seems Jeremy cunt is talking second referendum It's looking like they are fudging together some kind of compromise (maybe to keep the Scott's happy) that in reality keeps neither side happy. |
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Post by Billy the kid on Jun 28, 2016 7:18:40 GMT
What a mess.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 28, 2016 7:29:51 GMT
I wish everyone would just calm down. I voted out and I've seen or heard nothing to make me change my mind, just a load of bad losers who are bitter and twisted trying to whip up trouble, because they cannot except defeat. We might not get everything we want but it will not be far off, so rejoice. Today it seems Jeremy cunt is talking second referendum It's looking like they are fudging together some kind of compromise (maybe to keep the Scott's happy) that in reality keeps neither side happy. They never wanted to make this work. By they I mean most of the politicians, media and big business. They were perfectly happy with how things were, and didn't care if we weren't. There's hardly been a positive word spoken about a historic win for the people against the EU mafia. Second referendum? So the Brexiters give up and the Facebook Fucktards vote en masse for once. Fucking spineless mard arsed bastards! We won the referendum, follow it through or you have effectively killed democracy. |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 28, 2016 7:47:09 GMT
Today it seems Jeremy cunt is talking second referendum It's looking like they are fudging together some kind of compromise (maybe to keep the Scott's happy) that in reality keeps neither side happy. They never wanted to make this work. By they I mean most of the politicians, media and big business. They were perfectly happy with how things were, and didn't care if we weren't. There's hardly been a positive word spoken about a historic win for the people against the EU mafia. Second referendum? So the Brexiters give up and the Facebook Fucktards vote en masse for once. Fucking spineless mard arsed bastards! We won the referendum, follow it through or you have effectively killed democracy. It's hard to be positive when the pound and stock markets are falling - I think the finance sectors reaction to this has cancelled any celebrations the Leave campaign could've had. The reality of the situation is being talked about more than the rhetoric of victory. I voted to remain so I'm biased, but I think that is the right way round at the moment. |
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Post by britsabroad on Jun 28, 2016 7:47:18 GMT
Representative democracy vs direct democracy. One works to keep the experts in check, one is shit and we can (and do) do without it.
What does a checkout clerk know about building aircraft engines? What does a physics professor know about bricklaying? What does the average citizen know about the EU? Nothing, so why would you ask them to vote on it? Leave it to the people who do know.
A functioning democracy is simply about the people choosing someone to make the complex decisions they cant on the understanding they know what they're doing, and voting them out if it turns out they don't. Thats what democracy was originally set up for. We have a healthy respresentative democracy unaffected by the EU vote. Direct democracy has proven itself a failure again and can be safely ignored.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jun 28, 2016 7:49:13 GMT
Also - Leave votes have been severely let down by the people that led their campaign. Gove, Johnson and Farage had absolutely no plan - they've all but disappeared since Friday.
As a remain vote I'm not so disappointed, but can also see it won't be easy for Leave supporters to realise they've been left to dangle by the very people they thought were on their side.
All in all - both sides end up fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 7:54:13 GMT
Correction, prime minister Hunt Reckons a 2nd referendum on a Norway style system + controlled immigration before they enter talks with the eu Like the eu will go with that  Grab them by the bollocks and their hearts and minds will follow |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jun 28, 2016 7:57:24 GMT
Dry your eyes Mary. It'll be reet.
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Post by desman2 on Jun 28, 2016 8:00:09 GMT
If it doesn't happen I'll never vote again Maybe thats the idea. Put you off voting . Control becomes much easier then. |
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Post by wuzza on Jun 28, 2016 8:02:53 GMT
Representative democracy vs direct democracy. One works to keep the experts in check, one is shit and we can (and do) do without it. What does a checkout clerk know about building aircraft engines? What does a physics professor know about bricklaying? What does the average citizen know about the EU? Nothing, so why would you ask them to vote on it? Leave it to the people who do know. A functioning democracy is simply about the people choosing someone to make the complex decisions they cant on the understanding they know what they're doing, and voting them out if it turns out they don't. Thats what democracy was originally set up for. We have a healthy respresentative democracy unaffected by the EU vote. Direct democracy has proven itself a failure again and can be safely ignored. A perfect summary of the situation. Might be a little too sensible for the tone of the stuff being bandied about these days. |
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Post by desman2 on Jun 28, 2016 8:10:00 GMT
Representative democracy vs direct democracy. One works to keep the experts in check, one is shit and we can (and do) do without it. What does a checkout clerk know about building aircraft engines? What does a physics professor know about bricklaying? What does the average citizen know about the EU? Nothing, so why would you ask them to vote on it? Leave it to the people who do know. A functioning democracy is simply about the people choosing someone to make the complex decisions they cant on the understanding they know what they're doing, and voting them out if it turns out they don't. Thats what democracy was originally set up for. We have a healthy respresentative democracy unaffected by the EU vote. Direct democracy has proven itself a failure again and can be safely ignored. Theyd better get it right then hadnt they, |
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Post by serpico on Jun 28, 2016 8:22:08 GMT
Ignoring the will of the people has been a reflexive response of our so called betters for some time now, it's one of the reasons brexit came about in the first place, because after all, we're just confused little people, the uneducated plebs can't possibly know whats best for them!
all this talk of punishment is just proof that the EU is a thoroughly vindictive institution, although we already knew that after what the did to the irish with the lisbon treaty refurendum.
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Post by desman2 on Jun 28, 2016 8:24:47 GMT
The thing is we were offered two referendums both by Blair and Cameron. No one stood up and said we shouldnt do it because the public dont know what theyre doing, until now.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 28, 2016 8:27:08 GMT
Correction, prime minister Hunt Reckons a 2nd referendum on a Norway style system + controlled immigration before they enter talks with the eu Like the eu will go with that Grab them by the bollocks and their hearts and minds will follow I'm simply staggered that after all the campaigning the plan is to have access to the single market, I really hoped there was more of a plan than that. It's not possible to have controlled immigration if we want access to the single market, the EU have made their stance clear on this with Switzerland. |
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Post by desman2 on Jun 28, 2016 8:27:33 GMT
Representative democracy vs direct democracy. One works to keep the experts in check, one is shit and we can (and do) do without it. What does a checkout clerk know about building aircraft engines? What does a physics professor know about bricklaying? What does the average citizen know about the EU? Nothing, so why would you ask them to vote on it? Leave it to the people who do know. A functioning democracy is simply about the people choosing someone to make the complex decisions they cant on the understanding they know what they're doing, and voting them out if it turns out they don't. Thats what democracy was originally set up for. We have a healthy respresentative democracy unaffected by the EU vote. Direct democracy has proven itself a failure again and can be safely ignored. Wedid have representative democracy as you describe. Both Blair and Cameron previously set out to offere referendums. Did they know what they were doing. Did Cameron know what he was doing when wegot this one. I understand what you are saying but its not as straight cut as that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 8:39:22 GMT
Correction, prime minister Hunt Reckons a 2nd referendum on a Norway style system + controlled immigration before they enter talks with the eu Like the eu will go with that Grab them by the bollocks and their hearts and minds will follow I'm simply staggered that after all the campaigning the plan is to have access to the single market, I really hoped there was more of a plan than that. It's not possible to have controlled immigration if we want access to the single market, the EU have made their stance clear on this with Switzerland. I'm totally staggered too Although, we are not Switzerland Seems the plan is to hold out now in the hope other countries public follow suit. Especially those with elections coming up |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 28, 2016 8:44:47 GMT
I'm simply staggered that after all the campaigning the plan is to have access to the single market, I really hoped there was more of a plan than that. It's not possible to have controlled immigration if we want access to the single market, the EU have made their stance clear on this with Switzerland. I'm totally staggered too Although, we are not Switzerland Seems the plan is to hold out now in the hope other countries public follow suit. Especially those with elections coming up You've also mentioned that we might opt for a Norway style system, it would mean we might as well have stayed in the EU - they had to accept the free movement of people to join the single market - they still pay substantial subsidies to the EU - they have adopted three quarters of EU legislation into Norwegian legislation - and counting and yet they don't get a say in anything because they're not in the EU. If other countries don't leave then we've dropped a massive clanger. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 28, 2016 8:54:29 GMT
I'm totally staggered too Although, we are not Switzerland Seems the plan is to hold out now in the hope other countries public follow suit. Especially those with elections coming up You've also mentioned that we might opt for a Norway style system, it would mean we might as well have stayed in the EU - they had to accept the free movement of people to join the single market - they still pay substantial subsidies to the EU - they have adopted three quarters of EU legislation into Norwegian legislation - and counting and yet they don't get a say in anything because they're not in the EU. If other countries don't leave then we've dropped a massive clanger. If Turkey did apply to join the EU we would have lost the right to veto their application but we would still have to accept their citizens if they were allowed in. Is this what the people who voted 'out' voted for? How is Boris intending on squaring this? www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/eea-safe-harbour-brexit-storm |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 8:59:45 GMT
I'm totally staggered too Although, we are not Switzerland Seems the plan is to hold out now in the hope other countries public follow suit. Especially those with elections coming up You've also mentioned that we might opt for a Norway style system, it would mean we might as well have stayed in the EU - they had to accept the free movement of people to join the single market - they still pay substantial subsidies to the EU - they have adopted three quarters of EU legislation into Norwegian legislation - and counting and yet they don't get a say in anything because they're not in the EU. If other countries don't leave then we've dropped a massive clanger. I agree totally. Although I actually said "Norway style +" According to hunt that means without free movement (as if) Seems the public (and Nigel farage) have been shafted but, we have no choice but to stand back and see now ....all we could do was put a cross in a box its looking as tho that cross and that box meant fuck all. Time will tell |
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 28, 2016 9:06:47 GMT
You've also mentioned that we might opt for a Norway style system, it would mean we might as well have stayed in the EU - they had to accept the free movement of people to join the single market - they still pay substantial subsidies to the EU - they have adopted three quarters of EU legislation into Norwegian legislation - and counting and yet they don't get a say in anything because they're not in the EU. If other countries don't leave then we've dropped a massive clanger. I agree totally. Although I actually said "Norway style +" According to hunt that means without free movement (as if) Seems the public (and Nigel farage) have been shafted but, we have no choice but to stand back and see now ....all we could do was put a cross in a box its looking as tho that cross and that box meant fuck all. Time will tell Hunt is deluded if he thinks the EU will allow us to gain access to the single market without accepting the free movement of people. |
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Post by cymap on Jun 28, 2016 9:10:09 GMT
Mps voted to have the referendum by a ratio of 6-1 so they cant look back now . Hunts 2nd ref would be a ref on the single market not whether we are in the EU. However Hunts chances of winning are the same as him being voted in as Health secretary by the junior doctors.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 9:12:48 GMT
I agree totally. Although I actually said "Norway style +" According to hunt that means without free movement (as if) Seems the public (and Nigel farage) have been shafted but, we have no choice but to stand back and see now ....all we could do was put a cross in a box its looking as tho that cross and that box meant fuck all. Time will tell Hunt is deluded if he thinks the EU will allow us to gain access to the single market without accepting the free movement of people. Yep, I think it's no more than a plot to get votes across the board for his Assault on number 10  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 28, 2016 9:16:03 GMT
I agree totally. Although I actually said "Norway style +" According to hunt that means without free movement (as if) Seems the public (and Nigel farage) have been shafted but, we have no choice but to stand back and see now ....all we could do was put a cross in a box its looking as tho that cross and that box meant fuck all. Time will tell Hunt is deluded if he thinks the EU will allow us to gain access to the single market without accepting the free movement of people. It's becoming increasingly clear that the out campaign haven't got the faintest idea what they were actually getting people to vote on. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/27/brussels-rejects-boris-johnson-pipe-dream-over-single-market-access |
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jun 28, 2016 9:18:32 GMT
Juncker has just blasted Nigel Farage at the EU parliament, "you've won your vote, why are you even here" he said to loud applause( Farage sitting next to him)
This is going to get nasty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 9:21:26 GMT
Juncker has just blasted Nigel Farage at the EU parliament, "you've won your vote, why are you even here" he said to loud applause. This is going to get nasty. What was farage's reply? |
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Post by greenhoff74 on Jun 28, 2016 9:25:03 GMT
Farage is speaking now
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