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Post by serpico on Jun 17, 2016 19:47:57 GMT
a women who knew him since he was 8 described him as a "mild mannered man", it's very strange to think the man she describes is capable of stabbing someone with a foot long hunting knife and shooting them in the head at close range! i guess sometimes you never really know someone. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-cox-murder-accused-tommy-8219460
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Post by desman2 on Jun 17, 2016 19:49:43 GMT
Once again, the media coverage of this incident has been utterly shameful and continues to be. The Guardian, Huffington Post etc, using it as a great opportunity to further their support for the Remain campaign, while the Leave campaign claim this is the best thing to happen for the Remain campaign.... "this was caused by people supporting Brexit using terms like 'Breaking Point'" wtf? Really? Incredible. What amazes me, is the double standards shown by these newspapers, UAF, all these disgustingly left wing organizations (and I'm slightly left leaning myself btw). When Lee Rigby was murdered it was "remain calm, don't allow right wing news outlets to use this for political gain", when it's Jo Cox, or more to the point, someone on the same team, they've repeatedly used this as a way to further their message. Disgraceful. Mind has been made up, I'm voting leave. You are being extremely selective Nearly all the newspapers referred to the killer of Lee Rigby as Islamicist, Muslim Fanatic, Terrorist in the first paragraph of their reports. The Sun ran with headline using the phrase 'Muslim Fanatic' Daily Mail ran with 'Islamic Fanatic' Today the Sun ran with 'Crazed Loner' You are doing exactly the same as those you criticise! Your response is blatently and openly political, yet you criticise others for politicising? The daily Star today had the headline "MP shot by Brexit gunman"
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Post by potterinleeds on Jun 17, 2016 20:11:09 GMT
RIP Jo Cox. A life lived well.
"Hate doesn’t have a creed, race or religion, it is poisonous." - Brendan Cox.
Too true, Skankmonkey. I am reminded of that depressingly accurate quote from the 19th century essayist William Hazlitt: " Love turns, with a little indulgence, to indifference or disgust: Hatred alone is immortal".
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 17, 2016 20:46:38 GMT
Yep the guy is white so he can only be mentally ill ... Shame he isn't brown, he'd score big terrorist points. Not at all, there have been plenty of so called muslim led attacks perpetrated by clearly mentally unstable people. If reports are accurate Tommy Mair has been an in patient at mental health clinic and has a history of mental problems, he's described by people who know him as someone who "wouldn't hurt a fly" and as far as we know has no history of violent behaviour, so it's possible he's had some kind of psychological break perhaps caused by drug withdrawal, although thats just my speculation, you often find individuals who do things like this are on some kind of mind altering psychotropic prescription drugs. Rubbish. The vast majority of people on medication are peaceful and present no harm to the public whatsoever. It's a complete myth fuelled by ignorance and prejudice that mentally ill people on medication are dangerous. Statistically they are less likely to hurt people than people who are not diagnosed as having a mental health condition. The difference is that if somebody commits an offence who is on medication it is all over the newspapers and TV. The fact that its only a tiny minority of cases is ignored. I would have thought you with your Obsessive Compulsive Conspiracy Theory Disorder would have worked out.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 17, 2016 20:49:27 GMT
And who the fuck are they? Ive never heard of a single one of em. Why would you pay credence to people you have never heard of? They can say what they want, couldn't give a fuck, they've got zero influence. If that is your MO to proving some conspiracy relating to remain trying to profit from this senseless killing then you're struggling badly mate. Angela Eagle has been touted as next Labour leader, you half-head. It would appear that he is indeed as thick as a plank.
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Post by lommack on Jun 17, 2016 20:52:16 GMT
Angela Eagle has been touted as next Labour leader, you half-head. It would appear that he is indeed as thick as a plank. Good God!
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jun 17, 2016 20:54:55 GMT
Not at all, there have been plenty of so called muslim led attacks perpetrated by clearly mentally unstable people. If reports are accurate Tommy Mair has been an in patient at mental health clinic and has a history of mental problems, he's described by people who know him as someone who "wouldn't hurt a fly" and as far as we know has no history of violent behaviour, so it's possible he's had some kind of psychological break perhaps caused by drug withdrawal, although thats just my speculation, you often find individuals who do things like this are on some kind of mind altering psychotropic prescription drugs. Rubbish. The vast majority of people on medication are peaceful and present no harm to the public whatsoever. It's a complete myth fuelled by ignorance and prejudice that mentally ill people on medication are dangerous. Statistically they are less likely to hurt people than people who are not diagnosed as having a mental health condition. The difference is that if somebody commits an offence who is on medication it is all over the newspapers and TV. The fact that its only a tiny minority of cases is ignored. I would have thought you with your Obsessive Compulsive Conspiracy Theory Disorder would have worked out. In fairness mate, he did mention it being possibly due to drug withdrawal. I think that the best thing would be to let the authorities investigate and come to a conclusion after examining all of the evidence. Was he a racist thug? Possibly. Was he someone suffering from mental illness? Possibly.
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Post by serpico on Jun 17, 2016 21:05:18 GMT
Not at all, there have been plenty of so called muslim led attacks perpetrated by clearly mentally unstable people. If reports are accurate Tommy Mair has been an in patient at mental health clinic and has a history of mental problems, he's described by people who know him as someone who "wouldn't hurt a fly" and as far as we know has no history of violent behaviour, so it's possible he's had some kind of psychological break perhaps caused by drug withdrawal, although thats just my speculation, you often find individuals who do things like this are on some kind of mind altering psychotropic prescription drugs. Rubbish. The vast majority of people on medication are peaceful and present no harm to the public whatsoever. It's a complete myth fuelled by ignorance and prejudice that mentally ill people on medication are dangerous. Statistically they are less likely to hurt people than people who are not diagnosed as having a mental health condition. The difference is that if somebody commits an offence who is on medication it is all over the newspapers and TV. The fact that its only a tiny minority of cases is ignored. I would have thought you with your Obsessive Compulsive Conspiracy Theory Disorder would have worked out. Straw man arguments and an ad hominem thrown in for good measure. You're making an argument against something i never actually said.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 17, 2016 21:12:57 GMT
Rubbish. The vast majority of people on medication are peaceful and present no harm to the public whatsoever. It's a complete myth fuelled by ignorance and prejudice that mentally ill people on medication are dangerous. Statistically they are less likely to hurt people than people who are not diagnosed as having a mental health condition. The difference is that if somebody commits an offence who is on medication it is all over the newspapers and TV. The fact that its only a tiny minority of cases is ignored. I would have thought you with your Obsessive Compulsive Conspiracy Theory Disorder would have worked out. Straw man arguments and an ad hominem thrown in for good measure. You're making an argument against something i never actually said. Ignore drizzle he hasn't been the same since he joined the tories
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 17, 2016 21:18:06 GMT
I come on here trying to be reasonable and all I get is abuse
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 17, 2016 21:20:09 GMT
Rubbish. The vast majority of people on medication are peaceful and present no harm to the public whatsoever. It's a complete myth fuelled by ignorance and prejudice that mentally ill people on medication are dangerous. Statistically they are less likely to hurt people than people who are not diagnosed as having a mental health condition. The difference is that if somebody commits an offence who is on medication it is all over the newspapers and TV. The fact that its only a tiny minority of cases is ignored. I would have thought you with your Obsessive Compulsive Conspiracy Theory Disorder would have worked out. Straw man arguments and an ad hominem thrown in for good measure. You're making an argument against something i never actually said. Fair point. Ignore Salops comments Typical Left Wing bollocks.
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Post by serpico on Jun 17, 2016 21:22:56 GMT
Straw man arguments and an ad hominem thrown in for good measure. You're making an argument against something i never actually said. Ignore drizzle he hasn't been the same since he joined the tories I don't even disagree with him, the vast majority of people on medications for mental illness are peaceful and are no danger, but some people react differently to them or have severe problems when coming off them, practically all the mass shooters in the US in recent years have been on them. Even the information slip that comes with some of the medication says they can induce violent thoughts so it's hardly controversial to raise the possibility medication has something to do with this guys actions, is it ? It just seems odd that a guy with seemingly no history of violence whatsoever can do something so brutal out of the blue, he could well be a far right extremist but has he also had some kind of psychological break ?
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Post by salopstick on Jun 17, 2016 21:32:42 GMT
I come on here trying to be reasonable and all I get is abuse revel in your right wingness
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 17, 2016 21:33:48 GMT
Ignore drizzle he hasn't been the same since he joined the tories I don't even disagree with him, the vast majority of people on medications for mental illness are peaceful and are no danger, but some people react differently to them or have severe problems when coming off them, practically all the mass shooters in the US in recent years have been on them. Even the information slip that comes with some of the medication says they can induce violent thoughts so it's hardly controversial to raise the possibility medication has something to do with this guys actions, is it ? It just seems odd that a guy with seemingly no history of violence whatsoever can do something so brutal out of the blue, he could well be a far right extremist but has he also had some kind of psychological break ? I think you'd also agree though that people are driven by Ideology. Some people get hold of ideas and become obsessive about them ( a bit like Salop). This fella seemed to have a bit of a thing about Fascists..and how they Rose to Power. (The Police found his flat full of Far Right paraphernalia). That has nothing to do with medication. He may have had a mental illness though. And that was my original point. Mental illness isn't always diagnosed. There are many psychopaths out there who aren't on any form of medication. But perfectly reasonable people who are. And its the un-diagnosed psychopaths out there that do most damage..not the diagnosed mentally ill people who are the most likely victims of violence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 21:45:34 GMT
I come on here trying to be reasonable and all I get is abuse It does tend to happen from time to time
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Post by serpico on Jun 17, 2016 21:46:25 GMT
I don't even disagree with him, the vast majority of people on medications for mental illness are peaceful and are no danger, but some people react differently to them or have severe problems when coming off them, practically all the mass shooters in the US in recent years have been on them. Even the information slip that comes with some of the medication says they can induce violent thoughts so it's hardly controversial to raise the possibility medication has something to do with this guys actions, is it ? It just seems odd that a guy with seemingly no history of violence whatsoever can do something so brutal out of the blue, he could well be a far right extremist but has he also had some kind of psychological break ? I think you'd also agree though that people are driven by Ideology. Some people get hold of ideas and become obsessive about them ( a bit like Salop). This fella seemed to have a bit of a thing about Fascists..and how they Rose to Power. (The Police found his flat full of Far Right paraphernalia). That has nothing to do with medication. Although I suppose you could argue that he should have been on it. It could be a cocktail of all of the above ? although the fact he made a homemade gun suggests he had plenty of forethought and planning. Bottom line is he has absolutely nothing to do with the brexit campaign and the press who described him as a "brexit gunman" should be ashamed of themselves. Brexit supporters want democracy, anyone who has a nazi fetish wants the exact opposite.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jun 17, 2016 21:53:02 GMT
I think you'd also agree though that people are driven by Ideology. Some people get hold of ideas and become obsessive about them ( a bit like Salop). This fella seemed to have a bit of a thing about Fascists..and how they Rose to Power. (The Police found his flat full of Far Right paraphernalia). That has nothing to do with medication. Although I suppose you could argue that he should have been on it. It could be a cocktail of all of the above ? although the fact he made a homemade gun suggests he had plenty of forethought and planning. Bottom line is he has absolutely nothing to do with the brexit campaign and the press who described him as a "brexit gunman" should be ashamed of themselves. Brexit supporters want democracy, anyone who has a nazi fetish wants the exact opposite. Absolutely. Bottom line is this murder should not be Politicized by either side. As Mrs Thatcher once said (regarding all the shootings & killings in Northern Ireland mid 1980's) "Crime is crime..it has nothing to do with politics..it is crime"
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Post by Skankmonkey on Jun 18, 2016 10:55:03 GMT
I'm not sure what the colour of his skin has to do about it. All those who say that this is defo a terrorist attack are just as wrong as those who say that it isn't. The inquest will decide if this bloke was of sound mind or not, not the papers nor the people who make there mind up depending on what they read in them. In my opinion, if he's declared insane then it's no terrorist attack and Jo Cox will join a very long list of people failed by our piss poor mental health services, if he's declared sane then it's a terrorist attack. The sickest thing at the moment are all of those trying to link this to Brexit, they should hang their heads in shame. These people know no shame, to use the poor girls murder as a political stick is sick. Jo was a WOMAN, not a girl. Show some respect for once in your life.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 18, 2016 17:20:12 GMT
She was a political woman. This was a political murder. No body needs to make this political.
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Post by felonious on Jun 18, 2016 17:58:46 GMT
I don't even disagree with him, the vast majority of people on medications for mental illness are peaceful and are no danger, but some people react differently to them or have severe problems when coming off them, practically all the mass shooters in the US in recent years have been on them. Even the information slip that comes with some of the medication says they can induce violent thoughts so it's hardly controversial to raise the possibility medication has something to do with this guys actions, is it ? It just seems odd that a guy with seemingly no history of violence whatsoever can do something so brutal out of the blue, he could well be a far right extremist but has he also had some kind of psychological break ? I think you'd also agree though that people are driven by Ideology. Some people get hold of ideas and become obsessive about them ( a bit like Salop). This fella seemed to have a bit of a thing about Fascists..and how they Rose to Power. (The Police found his flat full of Far Right paraphernalia). That has nothing to do with medication. He may have had a mental illness though. And that was my original point. Mental illness isn't always diagnosed. There are many psychopaths out there who aren't on any form of medication. But perfectly reasonable people who are. And its the un-diagnosed psychopaths out there that do most damage..not the diagnosed mentally ill people who are the most likely victims of violence. Tell me about it, I was married to one
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 18, 2016 18:03:15 GMT
a women who knew him since he was 8 described him as a "mild mannered man", it's very strange to think the man she describes is capable of stabbing someone with a foot long hunting knife and shooting them in the head at close range! i guess sometimes you never really know someone. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-cox-murder-accused-tommy-8219460Some people are V bad judges of character
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Post by felonious on Jun 18, 2016 18:21:15 GMT
a women who knew him since he was 8 described him as a "mild mannered man", it's very strange to think the man she describes is capable of stabbing someone with a foot long hunting knife and shooting them in the head at close range! i guess sometimes you never really know someone. www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jo-cox-murder-accused-tommy-8219460Some people are V bad judges of character I listened to her being interviewed and thought she came over quite well. It will be interesting to know what tipped him over the edge.
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Post by trentvale68 on Jun 18, 2016 18:27:55 GMT
You know, you can be mentally ill AND still know the difference between Right & Wrong
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jun 18, 2016 19:12:49 GMT
He is an extreme nationalist, I think you'll find violence rates far higher in this group than in the mentally ill.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2016 19:18:45 GMT
How much grief porn is too much?
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Post by trentvale68 on Jun 18, 2016 19:25:12 GMT
How much grief porn is too much? Will never be the levels of when Diana died
can you imagine what its going to be like when Phil or Liz pop their clogs; I will not watch any TV for the whole of that 6 months of coverage.
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2016 19:28:08 GMT
How much grief porn is too much? Will never be the levels of when Diana died
can you imagine what its going to be like when Phil or Liz pop their clogs; I will not watch any TV for the whole of that 6 months of coverage.
Make no mistake, the news channels absolutely love it. So many ways to expand 'mourning sickness'.
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Post by trentvale68 on Jun 18, 2016 19:34:38 GMT
No one cares though about the ordinary man & woman
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Post by starkiller on Jun 18, 2016 19:36:33 GMT
No one cares though about the ordinary man & woman But apparently, according to the news, 'the nation' is mourning someone they've never heard of. It's true that it is very sad and tragic but statements like this are ridiculous. Clearly, the population need to be told to be in grief because project fear has now become project grief. Those well researched and practiced psychological mass hypnotism manipulators funded by Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan obviously believe this approach is the way to go before Thursday.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 18, 2016 20:31:45 GMT
No one cares though about the ordinary man & woman But apparently, according to the news, 'the nation' is mourning someone they've never heard of. It's true that it is very sad and tragic but statements like this are ridiculous. Clearly, the population need to be told to be in grief because project fear has now become project grief. Those well researched and practiced psychological mass hypnotism manipulators funded by Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan obviously believe this approach is the way to go before Thursday. Was the nation in mourning when Lee Rigby was barbarically slaughtered, he was murdered by two Muslim basket cases for being a solider, this poor lady was murdered by a neo Nazi basket case for doing her job, the nation is being manipulated by televised media to suit their masters wishes, there are basket cases a plenty out there one regularly posts on here though he does have multiple poster names another disaster in the making.
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