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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jun 13, 2016 8:01:51 GMT
Anyone else fed up with patronising comments either on social media or the real world about "bloody football fans + violence" etc, from people who aren't normally interested in football?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 13, 2016 8:31:58 GMT
Anyone else fed up with patronising comments either on social media or the real world about "bloody football fans + violence" etc, from people who aren't normally interested in football? Had a woman on my facebook feed sharing a short sighted article about England fans being the cause of all the trouble over there. I told her she was a stupid bitch and told her to fuck right off and that she should kiss my arse. Deleted her from my Facebook friends an all the daft cow. Mum's eh? who'd have em. |
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jun 13, 2016 8:38:26 GMT
That and people who feel the need to tell everyone that they have no interest in football. That's nice, I have no interest in Britain's Got Talent, but I don't feel the need to tweet about it every time it's on.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 13, 2016 8:39:55 GMT
Anyone else fed up with patronising comments either on social media or the real world about "bloody football fans + violence" etc, from people who aren't normally interested in football? I'm afraid the people with no interest in football are the so-called fans who go abroad to get drunk and cause trouble. It's about 45 years since I was at Le Vieux Port in Marseille and I remember it as a beautiful city. If Wales fans and Northern Ireland fans can go abroad and be a credit to the United Kingdom, why can't England fans do the same? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 9:23:44 GMT
Anyone else fed up with patronising comments either on social media or the real world about "bloody football fans + violence" etc, from people who aren't normally interested in football? I'm afraid the people with no interest in football are the so-called fans who go abroad to get drunk and cause trouble. It's about 45 years since I was at Le Vieux Port in Marseille and I remember it as a beautiful city. If Wales fans and Northern Ireland fans can go abroad and be a credit to the United Kingdom, why can't England fans do the same? England fans were singing and drinking and it was a party atmosphere, then the russians showed up and the police disappeared. English fans are no angels but this was out of there hands. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 13, 2016 9:29:34 GMT
I'm afraid the people with no interest in football are the so-called fans who go abroad to get drunk and cause trouble. It's about 45 years since I was at Le Vieux Port in Marseille and I remember it as a beautiful city. If Wales fans and Northern Ireland fans can go abroad and be a credit to the United Kingdom, why can't England fans do the same? England fans were singing and drinking and it was a party atmosphere, then the russians showed up and the police disappeared. English fans are no angels but this was out of there hands. At F.A. Cup matches certain pubs are dedicated to specified club fans. Wouldn't it have been a good idea to have a specified, different area for drinking/eating in Marseille for the two groups of supporters? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 10:24:19 GMT
It may have but I fear it wouldn't have made a difference.
The russians ran in, a pack of around 300. Some had gum shields, mma gloves and baseball bats. Russians hadn't been drinking. They came for one reason and one reason only - shameful, the england lot didn't stand a chance.
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Post by Bick on Jun 13, 2016 11:49:08 GMT
Anyone else fed up with patronising comments either on social media or the real world about "bloody football fans + violence" etc, from people who aren't normally interested in football? Had a woman on my facebook feed sharing a short sighted article about England fans being the cause of all the trouble over there. I told her she was a stupid bitch and told her to fuck right off and that she should kiss my arse. Deleted her from my Facebook friends an all the daft cow. Mum's eh? who'd have em. That'll definitely change her perception of football fans... |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 13, 2016 11:49:18 GMT
FSF statement
In Marseille, England fans were subjected to numerous pre-planned, organised and brutal attacks on several occasions in the days preceding the game against Russia, in the stadium itself, and after the match.
Dozens of England fans have been injured, some seriously. Many more, including women and children, have been affected by tear gas or water cannons deployed by the police. It has meant for many a very unpleasant beginning to what should be a thoroughly enjoyable carnival of football.
With a few honourable exceptions, the knee-jerk first response of many in the media and in politics has been once again to cast blame on us, lazily or to suit their own agenda falling back on out-of-date stereotypes about English hooligans abroad.
Whatever the history – and there has been plenty in years gone by which earned us a negative reputation – this time, those accusations are wide of the mark.
We’re not claiming that all England supporters are angels. While the big majority of us come and party in the real spirit of football, making new friends as we go, there are still a number among us who drink maybe more than is wise, or who sing songs that aren’t to everyone’s taste. But what we can say with confidence is that to the best of our knowledge, none of the many violent incidents that took place in Marseille during our time there were initiated by England fans.
We have witnessed groups coming together – sometimes Russian hooligans, sometimes Marseille ultras, sometimes simply gangs of local youths – with the deliberate aim of attacking England fans eating and drinking in and outside bars and restaurants or making our way to the game. Some of them have been tooled up, some of them have had their faces masked, but all of them have been intent on starting trouble and initiating violence.
The attacks have often been brutal, and in that context, we can hardly condemn those England fans who were left with little option but to defend themselves and in some cases their families. But of course those are often the images that end up on TV and are used out of context to demonise England fans. The media talk of “clashes” between fans, as if there were two groups determined to confront each other. That wasn’t what happened here.
These were cowardly attacks on groups that included families, on innocent people minding their own business and trying to enjoy the tournament. That kind of behaviour and its perpetrators have no place in football, and it’s with these people that the blame for the Marseille events clearly belongs.
That these attacks were allowed to happen at all raises crucial questions about the role of the French police. Surely the first responsibility of a police force in a country hosting a tournament is to make sure that those who have come to enjoy it can do so in safety, protected of course as far as possible from terrorism, but also from attacks by local thugs or visiting hooligans?
And yet we have witnessed these groups come together to prepare their assaults on crowds of fans while the police watch and let it happen. If they can see a potential problem developing before their eyes, why do they do nothing to stop them getting near their target?
Time after time, the first intervention of the French police has been to use tear gas and then water cannons. It’s in the nature of tear gas that it doesn’t discriminate between perpetrators and passers-by, between attackers and victims, and it often lands when the villains of the piece have already run off – leaving those who have just been attacked or in the vicinity with eyes stinging and streaming, and struggling to breathe.
The other consequence of this police approach is that while it may look dramatic and effective, with people running for cover, it actually leaves the hooligans free to fight again another day. None of them are arrested, they get to slope off and re-group ready for their next assault, or to travel to their next venue.
All the trouble on the streets of Marseille was then followed by the appalling scenes inside the ground at the end of the game: illegal pyrotechnics, a huge banger, political and far-right flags, and then finally the frontal assault on England fans in the adjacent blocks – a neutral sector containing also French fans and many family groups. All of it entirely unacceptable.
At Euro 2000, the England team were threatened with exclusion from the tournament because of the behaviour of our fans – and yet the problems we admittedly did generate then were small beer compared to what has unfolded with the Russian hooligans over the last few days.
We opposed the expulsion of England from Euro 2000 on the grounds that to expel the team would be to punish the majority of fans as much, and arguably even more, that the guilty minority – and we would argue the same principle applies to any threat to expel Russia from the tournament now. Any sanction should isolate and punish the perpetrators; the majority of fans are part of the solution, not the problem.
One significant difference however is that after Euro 2000 and that expulsion threat, there was a concerted effort in England, involving everyone across the game including government, police, the FA and fans’ organisations, to address the problems that we had. This resulted among other things in new laws and the creation of football banning orders, and it worked: the result has been, over time, a huge improvement in the behaviour and reputation of England fans, which has seen us rightly praised on more than one occasion for our contribution to a tournament’s atmosphere.
If Russia wants to be taken seriously as a football nation, competing in and indeed even hosting major international tournaments, then surely there has to be some serious action taken within Russia to stop their thug element carrying out these cowardly violent attacks? As things stand now, the prospect of a World Cup in Russia looks less appealing than ever.
Maybe that’s for the future. But now, with immediate effect, we need the French authorities to ensure that England fans are able to enjoy Euro 2016 in the carnival mood at which we excel, safe from aggression and encouraged to party.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 13, 2016 11:51:16 GMT
And the statement from our friends in the Russian fans embassy
“The Fans’ Embassy Russia team expresses its regret about the situation with riots involving Russian fans in Marseille. We strongly believe that such behaviour is not the norm for our citizens who are traveling to support the Russian national team in France. We are very sorry for those English people who have been injured and are now in hospital. We wish them the fastest recovery.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Jun 13, 2016 11:56:09 GMT
And the statement from our friends in the Russian fans embassy “The Fans’ Embassy Russia team expresses its regret about the situation with riots involving Russian fans in Marseille. We strongly believe that such behaviour is not the norm for our citizens who are traveling to support the Russian national team in France. We are very sorry for those English people who have been injured and are now in hospital. We wish them the fastest recovery. And these people are to host a World Cup, the mind boggles. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 13, 2016 12:04:41 GMT
FSF statement In Marseille, England fans were subjected to numerous pre-planned, organised and brutal attacks on several occasions in the days preceding the game against Russia, in the stadium itself, and after the match. Dozens of England fans have been injured, some seriously. Many more, including women and children, have been affected by tear gas or water cannons deployed by the police. It has meant for many a very unpleasant beginning to what should be a thoroughly enjoyable carnival of football. With a few honourable exceptions, the knee-jerk first response of many in the media and in politics has been once again to cast blame on us, lazily or to suit their own agenda falling back on out-of-date stereotypes about English hooligans abroad. Whatever the history – and there has been plenty in years gone by which earned us a negative reputation – this time, those accusations are wide of the mark. We’re not claiming that all England supporters are angels. While the big majority of us come and party in the real spirit of football, making new friends as we go, there are still a number among us who drink maybe more than is wise, or who sing songs that aren’t to everyone’s taste. But what we can say with confidence is that to the best of our knowledge, none of the many violent incidents that took place in Marseille during our time there were initiated by England fans. We have witnessed groups coming together – sometimes Russian hooligans, sometimes Marseille ultras, sometimes simply gangs of local youths – with the deliberate aim of attacking England fans eating and drinking in and outside bars and restaurants or making our way to the game. Some of them have been tooled up, some of them have had their faces masked, but all of them have been intent on starting trouble and initiating violence. The attacks have often been brutal, and in that context, we can hardly condemn those England fans who were left with little option but to defend themselves and in some cases their families. But of course those are often the images that end up on TV and are used out of context to demonise England fans. The media talk of “clashes” between fans, as if there were two groups determined to confront each other. That wasn’t what happened here. These were cowardly attacks on groups that included families, on innocent people minding their own business and trying to enjoy the tournament. That kind of behaviour and its perpetrators have no place in football, and it’s with these people that the blame for the Marseille events clearly belongs. That these attacks were allowed to happen at all raises crucial questions about the role of the French police. Surely the first responsibility of a police force in a country hosting a tournament is to make sure that those who have come to enjoy it can do so in safety, protected of course as far as possible from terrorism, but also from attacks by local thugs or visiting hooligans? And yet we have witnessed these groups come together to prepare their assaults on crowds of fans while the police watch and let it happen. If they can see a potential problem developing before their eyes, why do they do nothing to stop them getting near their target? Time after time, the first intervention of the French police has been to use tear gas and then water cannons. It’s in the nature of tear gas that it doesn’t discriminate between perpetrators and passers-by, between attackers and victims, and it often lands when the villains of the piece have already run off – leaving those who have just been attacked or in the vicinity with eyes stinging and streaming, and struggling to breathe. The other consequence of this police approach is that while it may look dramatic and effective, with people running for cover, it actually leaves the hooligans free to fight again another day. None of them are arrested, they get to slope off and re-group ready for their next assault, or to travel to their next venue. All the trouble on the streets of Marseille was then followed by the appalling scenes inside the ground at the end of the game: illegal pyrotechnics, a huge banger, political and far-right flags, and then finally the frontal assault on England fans in the adjacent blocks – a neutral sector containing also French fans and many family groups. All of it entirely unacceptable. At Euro 2000, the England team were threatened with exclusion from the tournament because of the behaviour of our fans – and yet the problems we admittedly did generate then were small beer compared to what has unfolded with the Russian hooligans over the last few days. We opposed the expulsion of England from Euro 2000 on the grounds that to expel the team would be to punish the majority of fans as much, and arguably even more, that the guilty minority – and we would argue the same principle applies to any threat to expel Russia from the tournament now. Any sanction should isolate and punish the perpetrators; the majority of fans are part of the solution, not the problem. One significant difference however is that after Euro 2000 and that expulsion threat, there was a concerted effort in England, involving everyone across the game including government, police, the FA and fans’ organisations, to address the problems that we had. This resulted among other things in new laws and the creation of football banning orders, and it worked: the result has been, over time, a huge improvement in the behaviour and reputation of England fans, which has seen us rightly praised on more than one occasion for our contribution to a tournament’s atmosphere. If Russia wants to be taken seriously as a football nation, competing in and indeed even hosting major international tournaments, then surely there has to be some serious action taken within Russia to stop their thug element carrying out these cowardly violent attacks? As things stand now, the prospect of a World Cup in Russia looks less appealing than ever. Maybe that’s for the future. But now, with immediate effect, we need the French authorities to ensure that England fans are able to enjoy Euro 2016 in the carnival mood at which we excel, safe from aggression and encouraged to party. "there are still some among us who drink maybe more than is wise"...."and [England fans should be] encouraged to party." Therein lies the rub and mixed message. You run the risk of encouraging over partying and potential trouble? |
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Post by Boothen on Jun 13, 2016 12:42:17 GMT
Russian MP Igor Lebedev criticised French police and called on Russian football fans to "keep up the good work".
"I see nothing wrong with football fans fighting. On the contrary, well done to our boys! Keep up the good work!" he tweeted.
Just further goes to prove what a corrupt and criminal cesspit that shithole of a country really is.
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Post by Fenparkpotter on Jun 13, 2016 12:48:14 GMT
Russian MP Igor Lebedev criticised French police and called on Russian football fans to "keep up the good work". "I see nothing wrong with football fans fighting. On the contrary, well done to our boys! Keep up the good work!" he tweeted. Just further goes to prove what a corrupt and criminal cesspit that shithole of a country really is. Encouraging hooliganism, homophobia and racism. Roll on the world cup in 2018... |
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Post by Davef on Jun 13, 2016 12:49:05 GMT
Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 having real trouble taking the word of an expert on football hooliganism at Manchester University who was actually in Marseilles.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 13, 2016 12:57:55 GMT
Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 having real trouble taking the word of an expert on football hooliganism at Manchester University who was actually in Marseilles. That's because Jeremy Vine is a total weapon. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 13, 2016 13:04:42 GMT
Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 having real trouble taking the word of an expert on football hooliganism at Manchester University who was actually in Marseilles. Was that Geoff Pearson, Dave ? If so, he's reliable, sensible and informed. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Jun 13, 2016 13:09:38 GMT
Some of the media have proven once again what a scummy set of cunts they are. Andy Burnham bandwaggon jumping prick too. How dare 1000's of innocent England fans get beaten up by neo nazi scum. Those with influence should be doing all they can to protect those at risk not slur & attempt to castigate those that have done nothing more than try and have a good time.
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Post by Davef on Jun 13, 2016 13:12:35 GMT
Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 having real trouble taking the word of an expert on football hooliganism at Manchester University who was actually in Marseilles. Was that Geoff Pearson, Dave ? If so, he's reliable, sensible and informed. Didn't catch his name Malcolm, but he was everything you described. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 13, 2016 13:15:08 GMT
Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 having real trouble taking the word of an expert on football hooliganism at Manchester University who was actually in Marseilles. Was that Geoff Pearson, Dave ? If so, he's reliable, sensible and informed. I'm sure it was Malcolm. He's written a very good piece for the Times todayas well. |
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Post by metalhead on Jun 13, 2016 13:15:20 GMT
FSF statement In Marseille, England fans were subjected to numerous pre-planned, organised and brutal attacks on several occasions in the days preceding the game against Russia, in the stadium itself, and after the match. Dozens of England fans have been injured, some seriously. Many more, including women and children, have been affected by tear gas or water cannons deployed by the police. It has meant for many a very unpleasant beginning to what should be a thoroughly enjoyable carnival of football. With a few honourable exceptions, the knee-jerk first response of many in the media and in politics has been once again to cast blame on us, lazily or to suit their own agenda falling back on out-of-date stereotypes about English hooligans abroad. Whatever the history – and there has been plenty in years gone by which earned us a negative reputation – this time, those accusations are wide of the mark. We’re not claiming that all England supporters are angels. While the big majority of us come and party in the real spirit of football, making new friends as we go, there are still a number among us who drink maybe more than is wise, or who sing songs that aren’t to everyone’s taste. But what we can say with confidence is that to the best of our knowledge, none of the many violent incidents that took place in Marseille during our time there were initiated by England fans. We have witnessed groups coming together – sometimes Russian hooligans, sometimes Marseille ultras, sometimes simply gangs of local youths – with the deliberate aim of attacking England fans eating and drinking in and outside bars and restaurants or making our way to the game. Some of them have been tooled up, some of them have had their faces masked, but all of them have been intent on starting trouble and initiating violence. The attacks have often been brutal, and in that context, we can hardly condemn those England fans who were left with little option but to defend themselves and in some cases their families. But of course those are often the images that end up on TV and are used out of context to demonise England fans. The media talk of “clashes” between fans, as if there were two groups determined to confront each other. That wasn’t what happened here. These were cowardly attacks on groups that included families, on innocent people minding their own business and trying to enjoy the tournament. That kind of behaviour and its perpetrators have no place in football, and it’s with these people that the blame for the Marseille events clearly belongs. That these attacks were allowed to happen at all raises crucial questions about the role of the French police. Surely the first responsibility of a police force in a country hosting a tournament is to make sure that those who have come to enjoy it can do so in safety, protected of course as far as possible from terrorism, but also from attacks by local thugs or visiting hooligans? And yet we have witnessed these groups come together to prepare their assaults on crowds of fans while the police watch and let it happen. If they can see a potential problem developing before their eyes, why do they do nothing to stop them getting near their target? Time after time, the first intervention of the French police has been to use tear gas and then water cannons. It’s in the nature of tear gas that it doesn’t discriminate between perpetrators and passers-by, between attackers and victims, and it often lands when the villains of the piece have already run off – leaving those who have just been attacked or in the vicinity with eyes stinging and streaming, and struggling to breathe. The other consequence of this police approach is that while it may look dramatic and effective, with people running for cover, it actually leaves the hooligans free to fight again another day. None of them are arrested, they get to slope off and re-group ready for their next assault, or to travel to their next venue. All the trouble on the streets of Marseille was then followed by the appalling scenes inside the ground at the end of the game: illegal pyrotechnics, a huge banger, political and far-right flags, and then finally the frontal assault on England fans in the adjacent blocks – a neutral sector containing also French fans and many family groups. All of it entirely unacceptable. At Euro 2000, the England team were threatened with exclusion from the tournament because of the behaviour of our fans – and yet the problems we admittedly did generate then were small beer compared to what has unfolded with the Russian hooligans over the last few days. We opposed the expulsion of England from Euro 2000 on the grounds that to expel the team would be to punish the majority of fans as much, and arguably even more, that the guilty minority – and we would argue the same principle applies to any threat to expel Russia from the tournament now. Any sanction should isolate and punish the perpetrators; the majority of fans are part of the solution, not the problem. One significant difference however is that after Euro 2000 and that expulsion threat, there was a concerted effort in England, involving everyone across the game including government, police, the FA and fans’ organisations, to address the problems that we had. This resulted among other things in new laws and the creation of football banning orders, and it worked: the result has been, over time, a huge improvement in the behaviour and reputation of England fans, which has seen us rightly praised on more than one occasion for our contribution to a tournament’s atmosphere. If Russia wants to be taken seriously as a football nation, competing in and indeed even hosting major international tournaments, then surely there has to be some serious action taken within Russia to stop their thug element carrying out these cowardly violent attacks? As things stand now, the prospect of a World Cup in Russia looks less appealing than ever. Maybe that’s for the future. But now, with immediate effect, we need the French authorities to ensure that England fans are able to enjoy Euro 2016 in the carnival mood at which we excel, safe from aggression and encouraged to party. Russia have no interest in stopping their lunatic hooligans from kicking the crap out of people. In fact, they were celebrating 'a victory' on Russian TV. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 13, 2016 13:28:22 GMT
Surely the manager and the captain allowing themselves to be consumed in the narrative is more harmful than a right wing dick jockey on a light entertainment station?
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Post by LDE76 on Jun 13, 2016 13:31:54 GMT
Ironically, Hodgson's tactical decisions will probably be more effective than his media work in ensuring that England fans are embroiled in no more violence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 13:37:55 GMT
Malcolm, etc.
If you want to earn respect then start to demand a withdrawal from the Russia tournament (due it being a third world criminal cesspit) and Qatar too (in respect of the migrant slave workers).
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 13, 2016 13:38:24 GMT
FSF statement In Marseille, England fans were subjected to numerous pre-planned, organised and brutal attacks on several occasions in the days preceding the game against Russia, in the stadium itself, and after the match. Dozens of England fans have been injured, some seriously. Many more, including women and children, have been affected by tear gas or water cannons deployed by the police. It has meant for many a very unpleasant beginning to what should be a thoroughly enjoyable carnival of football. With a few honourable exceptions, the knee-jerk first response of many in the media and in politics has been once again to cast blame on us, lazily or to suit their own agenda falling back on out-of-date stereotypes about English hooligans abroad. Whatever the history – and there has been plenty in years gone by which earned us a negative reputation – this time, those accusations are wide of the mark. We’re not claiming that all England supporters are angels. While the big majority of us come and party in the real spirit of football, making new friends as we go, there are still a number among us who drink maybe more than is wise, or who sing songs that aren’t to everyone’s taste. But what we can say with confidence is that to the best of our knowledge, none of the many violent incidents that took place in Marseille during our time there were initiated by England fans. We have witnessed groups coming together – sometimes Russian hooligans, sometimes Marseille ultras, sometimes simply gangs of local youths – with the deliberate aim of attacking England fans eating and drinking in and outside bars and restaurants or making our way to the game. Some of them have been tooled up, some of them have had their faces masked, but all of them have been intent on starting trouble and initiating violence. The attacks have often been brutal, and in that context, we can hardly condemn those England fans who were left with little option but to defend themselves and in some cases their families. But of course those are often the images that end up on TV and are used out of context to demonise England fans. The media talk of “clashes” between fans, as if there were two groups determined to confront each other. That wasn’t what happened here. These were cowardly attacks on groups that included families, on innocent people minding their own business and trying to enjoy the tournament. That kind of behaviour and its perpetrators have no place in football, and it’s with these people that the blame for the Marseille events clearly belongs. That these attacks were allowed to happen at all raises crucial questions about the role of the French police. Surely the first responsibility of a police force in a country hosting a tournament is to make sure that those who have come to enjoy it can do so in safety, protected of course as far as possible from terrorism, but also from attacks by local thugs or visiting hooligans? And yet we have witnessed these groups come together to prepare their assaults on crowds of fans while the police watch and let it happen. If they can see a potential problem developing before their eyes, why do they do nothing to stop them getting near their target? Time after time, the first intervention of the French police has been to use tear gas and then water cannons. It’s in the nature of tear gas that it doesn’t discriminate between perpetrators and passers-by, between attackers and victims, and it often lands when the villains of the piece have already run off – leaving those who have just been attacked or in the vicinity with eyes stinging and streaming, and struggling to breathe. The other consequence of this police approach is that while it may look dramatic and effective, with people running for cover, it actually leaves the hooligans free to fight again another day. None of them are arrested, they get to slope off and re-group ready for their next assault, or to travel to their next venue. All the trouble on the streets of Marseille was then followed by the appalling scenes inside the ground at the end of the game: illegal pyrotechnics, a huge banger, political and far-right flags, and then finally the frontal assault on England fans in the adjacent blocks – a neutral sector containing also French fans and many family groups. All of it entirely unacceptable. At Euro 2000, the England team were threatened with exclusion from the tournament because of the behaviour of our fans – and yet the problems we admittedly did generate then were small beer compared to what has unfolded with the Russian hooligans over the last few days. We opposed the expulsion of England from Euro 2000 on the grounds that to expel the team would be to punish the majority of fans as much, and arguably even more, that the guilty minority – and we would argue the same principle applies to any threat to expel Russia from the tournament now. Any sanction should isolate and punish the perpetrators; the majority of fans are part of the solution, not the problem. One significant difference however is that after Euro 2000 and that expulsion threat, there was a concerted effort in England, involving everyone across the game including government, police, the FA and fans’ organisations, to address the problems that we had. This resulted among other things in new laws and the creation of football banning orders, and it worked: the result has been, over time, a huge improvement in the behaviour and reputation of England fans, which has seen us rightly praised on more than one occasion for our contribution to a tournament’s atmosphere. If Russia wants to be taken seriously as a football nation, competing in and indeed even hosting major international tournaments, then surely there has to be some serious action taken within Russia to stop their thug element carrying out these cowardly violent attacks? As things stand now, the prospect of a World Cup in Russia looks less appealing than ever. Maybe that’s for the future. But now, with immediate effect, we need the French authorities to ensure that England fans are able to enjoy Euro 2016 in the carnival mood at which we excel, safe from aggression and encouraged to party. "there are still some among us who drink maybe more than is wise"...."and [England fans should be] encouraged to party." Therein lies the rub and mixed message. You run the risk of encouraging over partying and potential trouble? It's not encouragement or disencouragement to drink or party, Nick ( neither of which would have any significant effect anyway) but description. 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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 13, 2016 13:38:43 GMT
Surely the manager and the captain allowing themselves to be consumed in the narrative is more harmful than a right wing dick jockey on a light entertainment station? I wouldn't think they've allowed themselves to be consumed by the narrative Sheikhy but rather our lily livered FA has cajoled them into becoming a part of it. Rather than holding our hands up and meekly accepting the directive from UEFA, why aren't we standing up to them and asking them some pretty pertinent questions? |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 13, 2016 19:09:45 GMT
Malcolm, etc. If you want to earn respect then start to demand a withdrawal from the Russia tournament (due it being a third world criminal cesspit) and Qatar too (in respect of the migrant slave workers). I have no doubt that these issues will be discussed again at our conference in July. I think a large majority of fans agree that they were very bad choices for the reasons you give made by a very bad organisation. Of course, one of the problems about demanding withdrawal from the tournament (presumably of England) is that we can't assume we'll be there in the first place  |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 13, 2016 19:38:26 GMT
Jeremy Vine on Radio 2 having real trouble taking the word of an expert on football hooliganism at Manchester University who was actually in Marseilles. Was that Geoff Pearson, Dave ? If so, he's reliable, sensible and informed. Malcolm, I trust the FSF will continue to challenge the media about their reporting of these incidents? Will the FA be pressured into confronting UEFA over their disgraceful comments about England fans? Will the FA be pressured in relation to our participation in the Russia world cup? We had Russian criminals trying to murder English fans in some cases and look at the reports in their media. The government, FA and our media will not stick up for the England fans. What has happened cannot be brushed under the carpet. Frankly I'd be happy for our team to withdraw from this tournament and the next two world cups |
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 13, 2016 20:15:09 GMT
the world cup must be taken off them. no fans will be safe in Russia.especially the fans of the team that knock them out the competition
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Post by bathstoke on Jun 13, 2016 20:22:12 GMT
Surely the manager and the captain allowing themselves to be consumed in the narrative is more harmful than a right wing dick jockey on a light entertainment station? It's so £&#&!ng obvious what's going on here. They think they can play us with soundbites. No Rissians held to task. As in life, Russia won't be punished cause our leaders b%!!%&$ are smaller than theirs. |
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