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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2016 18:41:13 GMT
No actually it really isn't. Depends which way you view Israel really doesn't it? Or is it how you view Jews as a race ?
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 18:43:02 GMT
It's actually hard to disagree with her comments, but there we go. You agree with antisemitic comments ... They're anti Israel, perhaps anti Zionist; they're not anti-Semitic. It's funny how people love to brand all negative comments about Israel as anti-Semitic. Being critical of Israel really isn't anti-Semitism, sorry petal. Good effort though.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 18:44:16 GMT
You agree with antisemitic comments ... They're anti Israel, perhaps anti Zionist; they're not anti-Semitic. It's funny how people love to brand all negative comments about Israel as anti-Semitic. Being critical of Israel really isn't anti-Semitism, sorry petal. Good effort though. Judaism isn't a race, it's a religion darling. You're really out of your depth here so either do some research or don't embarrass yourself.
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Post by themistocles on Apr 28, 2016 18:45:10 GMT
No actually it really isn't. Depends which way you view Israel really doesn't it? Antisemitism is antisemitism regardless of your View of Israel. That's like saying I'm allowed to be racist to back please because I disagree with them....
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 18:50:35 GMT
Depends which way you view Israel really doesn't it? Antisemitism is antisemitism regardless of your View of Israel. That's like saying I'm allowed to be racist to back please because I disagree with them.... Have you actually read what she said? Looks to me like you're jumping on a bandwagon without a cause.
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Post by themistocles on Apr 28, 2016 18:55:15 GMT
You agree with antisemitic comments ... They're anti Israel, perhaps anti Zionist; they're not anti-Semitic. It's funny how people love to brand all negative comments about Israel as anti-Semitic. Being critical of Israel really isn't anti-Semitism, sorry petal. Good effort though. Listen sweetheart if you want to go around playing g the apologist anti Semitice that's your prerogative. You're just making yourself sound like a typical brainwashed far left extremist. You do release she has admitted and apologized for being antisemitic don't you... She is proposing the forceful, violent removal of Jew's from the land of Israel. But I suppose you're one of those morons who think the holocaust was a fucking Zionist hoax. Sweetheart.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 28, 2016 19:03:45 GMT
No actually it really isn't. Depends which way you view Israel really doesn't it? I suppose it does. If your an anti-Semite who has a problem with Jews than I'm sure you'd agree with her comments.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 19:15:11 GMT
They're anti Israel, perhaps anti Zionist; they're not anti-Semitic. It's funny how people love to brand all negative comments about Israel as anti-Semitic. Being critical of Israel really isn't anti-Semitism, sorry petal. Good effort though. Listen sweetheart if you want to go around playing g the apologist anti Semitice that's your prerogative. You're just making yourself sound like a typical brainwashed far left extremist. You do release she has admitted and apologized for being antisemitic don't you... She is proposing the forceful, violent removal of Jew's from the land of Israel. But I suppose you're one of those morons ago think the holocaust was a fuck Zionist hoax. Sweetheart. Lmfao. Absolute pisser. Have you heard yourself? Left wing extremist? Haha. Have you ever read my political posts before? I'm neither left nor right. I believe in science and reasoned logic. I suppose you could call me a libertarian, in that I judge individual ideas based on how good/shit they are. Good ideas prosper, shit ideas sink. Israel's human rights record is a fucking disgrace when it comes to Palestine, sorry petal but saying that doesn't make me an anti Semite. Her comments are quite clearly tongue in cheek criticism of America's total support of Israel regardless of their actions. Even if they're not tongue in cheek, they're still not really anti-Semitic, they're provocative. Her criticism is of Israel, the state. So what if she's apologised? It's practically illegal to criticise Israel nowadays. Freedom of speech has been eroded and it's now unacceptable to say anything critical of Israel, otherwise you're branded anti-Semitic.
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 19:17:08 GMT
Depends which way you view Israel really doesn't it? I suppose it does. If your an anti-Semite who has a problem with Jews than I'm sure you'd agree with her comments. I don't have a problem with Jews. I have many problems with Israel. Guess that makes me an anti-semite.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 28, 2016 19:32:23 GMT
I suppose it does. If your an anti-Semite who has a problem with Jews than I'm sure you'd agree with her comments. I don't have a problem with Jews. I have many problems with Israel. Guess that makes me an anti-semite. For sure Israel gets a lot wrong (not everything in my opinion), but the problem with her comments are that as Israel is so closely associated with Judaism, one and the same thing in many peoples minds, then for an MP to support transferring an entire people to a different continent is fairly offensive. We've seen today Red Ken saying that Hitler started off with the right idea. Ignoring the fact that he's got many of his facts 100% wrong, it clearly shows that the Labour party has a serious problem with anti-semite's within a section of the party.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2016 19:35:02 GMT
I don't have a problem with Jews. I have many problems with Israel. Guess that makes me an anti-semite. For sure Israel gets a lot wrong (not everything in my opinion), but the problem with her comments are that as Israel is so closely associated with Judaism, one and the same thing in many peoples minds, then for an MP to support transferring an entire people to a different continent is fairly offensive. We've seen today Red Ken saying that Hitler started off with the right idea. Ignoring the fact that he's got many of his facts 100% wrong, it clearly shows that the Labour party has a serious problem with anti-semite's within a section of the party. I wonder where she proposed transferring the Jews to, Ken Livingston another living reason to never vote Labour again.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2016 19:35:51 GMT
I don't have a problem with Jews. I have many problems with Israel. Guess that makes me an anti-semite. For sure Israel gets a lot wrong (not everything in my opinion), but the problem with her comments are that as Israel is so closely associated with Judaism, one and the same thing in many peoples minds, then for an MP to support transferring an entire people to a different continent is fairly offensive. We've seen today Red Ken saying that Hitler started off with the right idea. Ignoring the fact that he's got many of his facts 100% wrong, it clearly shows that the Labour party has a serious problem with anti-semite's within a section of the party. Can you point us all to where Livingstone said "Hitler started off with the right idea" please?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2016 19:37:20 GMT
For sure Israel gets a lot wrong (not everything in my opinion), but the problem with her comments are that as Israel is so closely associated with Judaism, one and the same thing in many peoples minds, then for an MP to support transferring an entire people to a different continent is fairly offensive. We've seen today Red Ken saying that Hitler started off with the right idea. Ignoring the fact that he's got many of his facts 100% wrong, it clearly shows that the Labour party has a serious problem with anti-semite's within a section of the party. I wonder where she proposed transferring the Jews to, Ken Livingston another living reason to never vote Labour again. Is the following another reason to never vote mumf again then, carps? why do Jews have big noses ...? Answer ...Because air is free . ! Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/254606/oscar-boycott#ixzz479R2atjm
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 19:41:18 GMT
For sure Israel gets a lot wrong (not everything in my opinion), but the problem with her comments are that as Israel is so closely associated with Judaism, one and the same thing in many peoples minds, then for an MP to support transferring an entire people to a different continent is fairly offensive. We've seen today Red Ken saying that Hitler started off with the right idea. Ignoring the fact that he's got many of his facts 100% wrong, it clearly shows that the Labour party has a serious problem with anti-semite's within a section of the party. I wonder where she proposed transferring the Jews to, Ken Livingston another living reason to never vote Labour again. All the proof I need to know you didn't read her comments
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 28, 2016 19:41:19 GMT
For sure Israel gets a lot wrong (not everything in my opinion), but the problem with her comments are that as Israel is so closely associated with Judaism, one and the same thing in many peoples minds, then for an MP to support transferring an entire people to a different continent is fairly offensive. We've seen today Red Ken saying that Hitler started off with the right idea. Ignoring the fact that he's got many of his facts 100% wrong, it clearly shows that the Labour party has a serious problem with anti-semite's within a section of the party. Can you point us all to where Livingstone said "Hitler started off with the right idea" please? :) www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36160135
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 19:47:43 GMT
the irony is that I've been a vociferous critic of Ken Livingstone for many years, including on this forum. Don't let that get in the way of your agenda though.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2016 19:48:32 GMT
Nope. Didn't think you could
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 19:49:45 GMT
Nope. Didn't think you could Yeah it's amazing how people with an agenda read things.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 28, 2016 19:50:28 GMT
God help us if the Canaanites ever show up.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 28, 2016 19:51:43 GMT
the irony is that I've been a vociferous critic of Ken Livingstone for many years, including on this forum. Don't let that get in the way of your agenda though. Agenda? Behave, if the best I can manage in promoting my agenda is posting on here, it's time to pack in.
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Post by themistocles on Apr 28, 2016 19:52:36 GMT
Irony alert: You and your pal are pretty much ganging up on me, right now funny guy. I'm alone and while I put up reasoned arguments backed with some thought, you continually shout "anti Semite" without any actual evidence of that. How long until Godwins law? Not long I reckon. Here's some anti-semitism from our very own EE Board. why do Jews have big noses ...? Answer ...Because air is free . ! Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/254606/oscar-boycott#ixzz479R2atjmFunny isn't it, how themistocles (as he's currently called ) and carps aren't even remotely bothered about anti-semitism when it comes from a right-wing source. Almost as if they're completely insincere and USING racism to further their own rotten little agenda.... I disagree with all racism regardless who has said it... What do you mean by "as hes currently called" your not seriously accusing me of having multiple users are you ? Considering the fact you accuse anyone who suggest you are one of the many **************s as morons ..
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2016 19:53:00 GMT
All the proof I need to know you didn't read her comments All the proof I need to know you didn't read my comments , the hidden posts suggest the ************** pack has arrived to protect, wonder what happened to bibble rage quit woof woof No hidden posts my friend. It's no coincidence that whenever I chat to you, you ragequit off with your tail between your legs for a few days. You read every word. Like owner, like fish
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 28, 2016 19:53:19 GMT
Well I've read the comments and they're significantly tamer than what any number of dullards on here have said about Muslims over the years. For one of the worst offenders - carpslayer - to come on this thread preaching anti-racism like he's suddenly Stoke City's answer to Martin Luther King is absurdity itself. If you're anti-one kind of racism and not another then like it or not you're still a racist. It's a pity that Livingstone allowed a couple of very salient points - about the Israel lobby and about people wilfully confusing criticism of Israel with racism - to be overshadowed by some baffling, irrelevant and concerning comments about Hitler. Both Shah and Livingstone correctly suspended. A perfect example of how politicians can do nothing illegal and yet still be unfit for office. I notice some on this thread were claiming the exact opposite in the Cameron/Panama row. Surprise surprise While we're at it, perhaps someone could explain what the hell Boris Johnson is still doing in the Tory party?
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 28, 2016 19:55:44 GMT
Well I've read the comments and they're significantly tamer than what any number of dullards on here have said about Muslims over the years. For one of the worst offenders - carpslayer - to come on this thread preaching anti-racism like he's suddenly Stoke City's answer to Martin Luther King is absurdity itself. If you're anti-one kind of racism and not another then like it or not you're still a racist. It's a pity that Livingstone allowed a couple of very salient points - about the Israel lobby and about people wilfully confusing criticism of Israel with racism - to be overshadowed by some baffling, irrelevant and concerning comments about Hitler. Both Shah and Livingstone correctly suspended. A perfect example of how politicians can do nothing illegal and yet still be unfit for office. I notice some on this thread were claiming the exact opposite in the Cameron/Panama row. Surprise surprise While we're at it, perhaps someone could explain what the hell Boris Johnson is still doing in the Tory party? Because they are racist perhaps ? about as racist as the Labour Party by the look of it.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2016 19:56:20 GMT
Well I've read the comments and they're significantly tamer than what any number of dullards on here have said about Muslims over the years. For one of the worst offenders - carpslayer - to come on this thread preaching anti-racism like he's suddenly Stoke City's answer to Martin Luther King is absurdity itself. If you're anti-one kind of racism and not another then like it or not you're still a racist. It's a pity that Livingstone allowed a couple of very salient points - about the Israel lobby and about people wilfully confusing criticism of Israel with racism - to be overshadowed by some baffling, irrelevant and concerning comments about Hitler. Both Shah and Livingstone correctly suspended. A perfect example of how politicians can do nothing illegal and yet still be unfit for office. I notice some on this thread were claiming the exact opposite in the Cameron/Panama row. Surprise surprise While we're at it, perhaps someone could explain what the hell Boris Johnson is still doing in the Tory party? I don't think racism matters if it's right wing people doing it mate. That seems to be the moral of this thread
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 28, 2016 19:56:35 GMT
Hmmm just checked. The Canaanites won't be coming back.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Apr 28, 2016 19:58:50 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2016 20:01:06 GMT
Here's some anti-semitism from our very own EE Board. why do Jews have big noses ...? Answer ...Because air is free . ! Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/254606/oscar-boycott#ixzz479R2atjmFunny isn't it, how themistocles (as he's currently called ) and carps aren't even remotely bothered about anti-semitism when it comes from a right-wing source. Almost as if they're completely insincere and USING racism to further their own rotten little agenda.... I disagree with all racism regardless who has said it... What do you mean by "as hes currently called" your not seriously accusing me of having multiple users are you ? Considering the fact you accuse anyone who suggest you are one of the many **************s as morons .. Yet you don't say a word when mumf is racist. How curious.... I'm saying you've posted under another well-known name before, not necessarily that you have multiple usernames. It's alright though mate, your secret's safe with me
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Post by metalhead on Apr 28, 2016 20:01:18 GMT
the irony is that I've been a vociferous critic of Ken Livingstone for many years, including on this forum. Don't let that get in the way of your agenda though. Agenda? Behave, if the best I can manage in promoting my agenda is posting on here, it's time to pack in. No need to pack it in. I believe very strongly in freedom of speech (another left wing trait.... Oh wait) and it'd be a shame to end political debate like this. I have no issue with you being pro Israel but ultimately, I will never accept their flagrant disregard for human life.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 28, 2016 20:05:00 GMT
You're free to stand by whatever you like mate but the fact remains that he didn't actually say what you claim he did
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