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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 7:18:05 GMT
This is getting right on my tits, the fact that no black actors have been nominated. FFS it has absolutely nothing to do with colour or race, there are undoubtedly some awesome black actors, Our very own Idris Elba, Samuel l Jackson, Morgan Freeman to name just 3, but as far as I know you only get nominated if you have made a decent film in the last 12 months... Never heard em bleating when Django and 12 years a slave picked up loads of nominations... The fact remains that in the last 12 months no black actors have made a film or appearance worthy of a nomination, that is the only reason, get over yourselves, you are starting to sound like Sol Campbell...
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Post by Northy on Feb 28, 2016 7:21:50 GMT
Think i'm boycotting it this year
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Post by andylgr on Feb 28, 2016 8:11:34 GMT
Agreed. Should you nominate because of quality of performance or colour that's the question. It's the performance every time.
On a slightly related note, no one seems to bat an eyelid that there are awards like the MOBOs. If there was a MOWO awards ceremony there would be hell up.
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Post by redstriper on Feb 28, 2016 8:36:07 GMT
I boycott it every year, the amount of publicity this charade gets is ridiculous.
A self important smug-fest for people pinching a living. Every time I hear them saying how hard they work I want to puke.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 9:34:56 GMT
The last decent actor axel foley
TEST
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 28, 2016 9:54:21 GMT
This is getting right on my tits, the fact that no black actors have been nominated. FFS it has absolutely nothing to do with colour or race, there are undoubtedly some awesome black actors, Our very own Idris Elba, Samuel l Jackson, Morgan Freeman to name just 3. Morgan Freeman is about as versatile as Hugh Grant & for this reason I'm out
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Post by mumf on Feb 28, 2016 9:57:22 GMT
I don't think his catalogue firm is doing too well either .....
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 28, 2016 12:07:22 GMT
It's not because of the lack of black actors being nominated, it's bercause of the fact that the judging panel is made up of almost solely (over 85%) white, male over 60 year olds. There were plenty of films where black (or hispanic which is also what is being protested about) should probably have picked up nominations this year; straight outta compton, beasts of no nation, concussion even creed.
All they're saying is that the Academy and those that decide on the nominations should be far more representative of the American population rather than made up almost completely of old, white, middle class socialites as it currently is. Don't really see how anyone can argue personally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 12:43:15 GMT
It's not because of the lack of black actors being nominated, it's bercause of the fact that the judging panel is made up of almost solely (over 85%) white, male over 60 year olds. There were plenty of films where black (or hispanic which is also what is being protested about) should probably have picked up nominations this year; straight outta compton, beasts of no nation, concussion even creed. All they're saying is that the Academy and those that decide on the nominations should be far more representative of the American population rather than made up almost completely of old, white, middle class socialites as it currently is. Don't really see how anyone can argue personally. Creed is nominated, and Stallone will prob pick up best supporting actor, but to say that you must proportion according to demographics is ridiculous, it is down to ability and quality end of, and it just so happens that this year that has come almost exclusively from the white population. Incidentally the film that Leonardo DiCaprio is up for was directed by a Hispanic,
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 28, 2016 13:00:02 GMT
It's not because of the lack of black actors being nominated, it's bercause of the fact that the judging panel is made up of almost solely (over 85%) white, male over 60 year olds. There were plenty of films where black (or hispanic which is also what is being protested about) should probably have picked up nominations this year; straight outta compton, beasts of no nation, concussion even creed. All they're saying is that the Academy and those that decide on the nominations should be far more representative of the American population rather than made up almost completely of old, white, middle class socialites as it currently is. Don't really see how anyone can argue personally. Creed is nominated, and Stallone will prob pick up best supporting actor, but to say that you must proportion according to demographics is ridiculous, it is down to ability and quality end of, and it just so happens that this year that has come almost exclusively from the white population. Incidentally the film that Leonardo DiCaprio is up for was directed by a Hispanic, I never said the nominees should be proportioned according to demographics mate, i'd complretely disagree with that myself as well ( in the same way it pisses me off with people saying the cabinet should have more women...the best people for the job should in place regardless of gender). I'm simply saying the lack of black nominees is the story the media are running with and is misrepresenting what peoples issues are. The fact is that the Academy is an institution that is out of date and doesn't represent the industry anymore as it's almost completely made up of aged, white, corporate studio execs who were elected to the Academy at a time where very few black,hispanic or asian people were even allowed to be employed at that level decades ago. Basically what people are actually calling for (which the media are completely missing the point of as it's not as interesting a story, no other reason than that) is for the Academy itself to restructure how they allow membership. At the moment your invitation to become a member is based simply on contribution to the industry over a prolonged period of time. Now, given the fact that most current Academy members were studio execs at a time when black people weren't allowed to be execs it means that unless you're white you can't get into the inner circle and that's just ludicrous and outdated. Again, it's not about the nominations as that's merely a symptom of the bigger issue which is the Academy itself; that's the problem many are protesting against.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 28, 2016 16:20:10 GMT
Agreed but Idris Elba is unlucky to miss out for Beasts of No Nation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 22:16:17 GMT
It's all well and good saying that but when the statues clearly depict small gold coloured people and none are nominated that just screams racism to me.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 29, 2016 11:18:18 GMT
It was the same with The Brits- claims of lack of diversity because no Grime artists were nominated.
Have you listened to Grime? Lionel Ritchie or Jimi Hendrix it 'aint'.
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Post by Gods on Feb 29, 2016 14:58:06 GMT
The problem starts long before the judging doesn't it?
You need a lot more films with intriguing black characters in them to begin with. And for that first you need a good story, then you need a talented writer to tell it and a producer to believe there is a market for it...
The judges can only rate what is put in front of them, the films and performances I enjoyed most this year are the ones which by and large have been the winners.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Feb 29, 2016 15:25:33 GMT
Agreed. Should you nominate because of quality of performance or colour that's the question. It's the performance every time. On a slightly related note, no one seems to bat an eyelid that there are awards like the MOBOs. If there was a MOWO awards ceremony there would be hell up. Unless the charts have changed radically recently, it would be difficult to find any contemporary pop music that isn't "of black origin". Anything that has it's roots in Soul, Blues, Gospel, Rhythm and Blues, Afro, Ska/Reggae or Jazz is patently of "black origin". As is anything that can be traced back to '50s Rock'n'Roll or '60s pop, even the '50s crooners". It pretty much all can be traced back to the Blues and slavery. It might reasonably be argued that even Country music is just Blues music attenuated for the white ear.
What does that leave for pop music of white origin? Possibly the odd novelty opera or classical tune that makes the charts. Are the Wurzels still going? The origins of English Folk are obscure and a little dubious, dating back to a bit of 19th/early 20th Century jiggery pokery and wishful thinking; anyway that has it's own awards. A reasonable argument could even be made for suggesting that George Formby owes much to the "black" minstrel tradition!
In any event, people of other ethnicity are not precluded from nomination in the MOBO awards. In fact there have been several white award winners, Jessie J, Sam Smith recently etc. so I'm not sure there is that much to complain about.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 29, 2016 15:49:59 GMT
'Awards' ceremonies.
Fucking bullshit.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 29, 2016 15:52:37 GMT
Chris Rock on will smith not getting nominated for concussion
"It's not fair, it's also not fair he got $20m for wild Wild West"
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 29, 2016 19:25:05 GMT
Chris Rock on will smith not getting nominated for concussion "It's not fair, it's also not fair he got $20m for wild Wild West" Yeah if you listen to Rock's monologue he nailed it. "I didn't boycott because I couldn't afford to lose another job to Kevin Hart" I love Rock's stand up. Well worth wasting an hour or two on you tube for. He treads a great line between black and white stereotypes. Funny as. Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards
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Post by mumf on Feb 29, 2016 19:56:28 GMT
I've just taken the time to listen to Mr Rock .......and Now I wished I hadn't . His voice is irritating , his sense of humour is based on pandering racist undertones and very unappealing . The reaction of the audience was to say the least very muted and awkward .
Absolute garbage .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 23:27:54 GMT
The last decent actor axel foley TEST Don't you mean Eddie Murphy ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 23:30:43 GMT
I've just taken the time to listen to Mr Rock .......and Now I wished I hadn't . His voice is irritating , his sense of humour is based on pandering racist undertones and very unappealing . The reaction of the audience was to say the least very muted and awkward . Absolute garbage . Indeed ...
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Post by starkiller on Feb 29, 2016 23:40:14 GMT
I don't know what is worse: those who love to be fawned over and grovelled to, for having numerous attempts at delivering a couple of sentences, or those doing the fawning and grovelling.
As for not many blacks, what do they expect from a Jewish-controlled operation? The epitome of racial supremacism (but you're not allowed to say so).
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Post by mumf on Mar 1, 2016 0:08:26 GMT
I don't know what is worse: those who love to be fawned over and grovelled to, for having numerous attempts at delivering a couple of sentences, or those doing the fawning and grovelling. As for not many blacks, what do they expect from a Jewish-controlled operation? The epitome of racial supremacism (but you're not allowed to say so). Yes...but you're missing the point ....you can still tell jokes about Jews and the Irish .... why do Jews have big noses ...? Answer ...Because air is free . ! I don't know any jokes about Blacks or other ethnic groups .....but even if I did , they wouldn't be allowed .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 0:31:08 GMT
I don't know what is worse: those who love to be fawned over and grovelled to, for having numerous attempts at delivering a couple of sentences, or those doing the fawning and grovelling. As for not many blacks, what do they expect from a Jewish-controlled operation? The epitome of racial supremacism (but you're not allowed to say so). Yes...but you're missing the point ....you can still tell jokes about Jews and the Irish .... why do Jews have big noses ...? Answer ...Because air is free . ! I don't know any jokes about Blacks or other ethnic groups .....but even if I did , they wouldn't be allowed . 141 posts and you still haven't added "and I am unanimous" yet.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 0:52:20 GMT
I don't know what is worse: those who love to be fawned over and grovelled to, for having numerous attempts at delivering a couple of sentences, or those doing the fawning and grovelling. As for not many blacks, what do they expect from a Jewish-controlled operation? The epitome of racial supremacism (but you're not allowed to say so). Not the Zionists are coming again ...?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 1:01:53 GMT
I don't know what is worse: those who love to be fawned over and grovelled to, for having numerous attempts at delivering a couple of sentences, or those doing the fawning and grovelling. As for not many blacks, what do they expect from a Jewish-controlled operation? The epitome of racial supremacism (but you're not allowed to say so). Not the Zionists are coming again ...? Funny how Ric likes your post and not mine
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 1:08:19 GMT
Anyone have an idea what happened to the Prince Phillip thread? Before I went out it seemed like just good light hearted banter, did it get out of hand? I seem to have lost all my posts.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 2:14:41 GMT
Not the Zionists are coming again ...? Funny how Ric likes your post and not mine Do you remember the TV show Never mind the quality feel the width ?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 1, 2016 14:52:26 GMT
I've just taken the time to listen to Mr Rock .......and Now I wished I hadn't . His voice is irritating , his sense of humour is based on pandering racist undertones and very unappealing . The reaction of the audience was to say the least very muted and awkward . Absolute garbage . stole his entire act from Eddie Murphy's stand up in the 80s who in turn stole his entire act (by his own admission) from Richard Pryor in the 60s/70s....particularly with their "White man's" voice impressions they do. i remember Jim Davidson doing "Chalky" back in the 80s and nowadays people think it was awful he was allowed to get away with it but i don't see the difference between his impression of a black man and Rock's impression of a white man myself in terms of it being offensive due to the stereotypical nature of it. Murphy and Pryor were working at a time where it was more "acceptable" to blur the lines (to put it mildly) of race/gender/sexuality and take the mick accordingly, today though most of Chris Rock's humour is just a black comedians version of Chubby Brown who is largely unheard of nowadays because of his "Racism" whilst Rock somehow gets the biggest gig in showbiz! personally i don't really have an issue with Rock's racial stereotypes and jokes in a lot of his stand up i just don't think he's that good, in the same way i don't have an issue with comedians like Chubby Brown and his jokes apart from not finding them very funny...they're comics so aren't intended to be taken seriously anyway but i just don't see how one can be pilloried and the other is lauded.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Mar 1, 2016 15:41:32 GMT
When is there going to be a black Snow White
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