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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Apr 21, 2016 14:48:46 GMT
Once again, i am only viewing this on the actual article and not looking too deeply into it all. No doubt there may be questions over the Leader's bias, but I you cannot "lump in" her comments as quoted against Zionist groups as an attack on the Jewish community as a whole? That is like being against ISIS is an attack on heh Islamic community.... less the obvious violent actions by ISIS. Both have politic "revolutionary" agendas for their own States and the protectionism of their faith against oppression (obviously this is a very very very simplistic viewpoint). Crikey, it's like someone saying something against the Westboro Baptist "Church" is against my faith.... What she said was no different to what is being said against Islamic influence within a number of areas within the British (and European) social psychology and both should be questioned on their direct meanings. She stated that the University of Birmingham was a “Zionist outpost in British higher education". Quite rightly she was asked to justify what she meant..... I am still awaiting the answer however taking in context exactly what she said..... it is not anti-Semitic as a singular statement. That said, until she clarifies what she meant we can reasonably hold the view that there may have been some doubt to her true intent, but it is not conclusive. Especially not in the "knicker wetting" way it has been portrayed. Further questions should be asked as to what she meant and then we can judge. As I said, I am only taking into account what I have read in the article, (noting that it is a Jewish publication) and trying to read exactly what was said without the sensational language being used.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Apr 21, 2016 15:54:05 GMT
Mmmm.... I've listened to it and actually agree with the sentiment that we should commemorate all mass genocides. The fact that this has come from "Jewsnews" and the sensationalist article that came with the video gives a skewed viewpoint of what is actually being said. I don't think there was an anti-Semitic statement by this lady at all. That said, I disagree with her viewpoint that we can compare the scale of genocide during WW2 against 1 culture to the others she mentioned. Not only were the Jews killed by the Nazis but there were millions killed by Communist Russia (although only quietly touched on by historical reporting!) and these cannot be compared against Tibet and North Africa etc, despite the horrific outcomes. I agree. There's nothing remotely anti-semetic in the clip linked in the OP although her line of argument is flawed in my opinion for the reasons you've mentioned above.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 23:03:44 GMT
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 22, 2016 12:02:58 GMT
Well I've read the article now, and while I can see evidence of anti-Zionism I can't, without further reading of slightly less partisan sources, identify any overt anti-Semitism. The "speeches <and applause> against commemorating HMD" are obviously entirely reprehensible and I condemn them fully.
Freedom of speech - it's a bummer - sorry. Liberal democracy is messy and uncomfortable.
Anti-Zionism does not equate to anti-Semitism. Indeed there are long respected historical traditions of anti-Zionism within Judaism. I'm thinking of:-
International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network etc. and various ultra orthodox groups such as
Neturei Karta - Orthodox Jews United Against Zionism (website down just now)
I respect the OP's position as he possibly has more info on the person involved than than me. I'm also well aware that anti-Semites infiltrate organisations campaigning against Israeli policies.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 22, 2016 12:30:58 GMT
Considering the nature of the thread, I hope that the irony of a poster with a history of anti-Semitic "humour" shamelessly pontificating away is lost on nobody.
"you can still tell jokes about Jews"
(before he can edit it) mumf said
"Yes...but you're missing the point ....you can still tell jokes about Jews and the Irish ....
why do Jews have big noses ...?
Answer ...Because air is free . !"
And ....I grew up with a vast array of racist jokes ....would you like me to tell you about the lesbian Pakistani who drove a bus thru Bradford ? What are you trying to prove here ? Do do you honestly think that I give a flying fuck ? Grow up you daft twat . Some of us obviously had a better upbringing.
Yes, there was racism in the past; and that is where it should belong.
Tell the presumably racist/homophobic joke about Bradford if you have the balls. I'm interested to see just how much latitude admin allow you. Anti-Semitic jokes are fine it would seem.
"you can still tell jokes about Jews"
I'm not trying to prove anything. You do that yourself with every post. Most people here have a very good idea of what you are.
Given that there appears to be some debate about the subject of the OP being an anti-Semite, It would appear that the only person on this thread with some "previous" in that area is YOU.
Ironic no?
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 22, 2016 12:47:26 GMT
Some of us obviously had a better upbringing.
Yes, there was racism in the past; and that is where it should belong.
Tell the presumably racist/homophobic joke about Bradford if you have the balls. I'm interested to see just how much latitude admin allow you. Anti-Semitic jokes are fine it would seem.
"you can still tell jokes about Jews"
I'm not trying to prove anything. You do that yourself with every post. Most people here have a very good idea of what you are.
Given that there appears to be some debate about the subject of the OP being an anti-Semite, It would appear that the only person on this thread with some "previous" in that area is YOU.
Ironic no?
Anti queer , anti Muslim , facist racist and my shit smells .... ... no balls though.
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Post by mumf on Apr 22, 2016 12:49:05 GMT
Anti queer , anti Muslim , facist racist and my shit smells .... ... no balls though. Why d'yer wanna fight ?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 22, 2016 13:07:03 GMT
Speaking of which, it's amazing what Google throws up Should Queers be allowed to fight.... ...for this country in all these foreign conflicts.? Just imagine a platoon of British fairies stinking of whatever queers stink of ...ready to launch an attack in deepest Helmand province. Manicured nails , posters of Boy George..and immaculately trimmed eyebrows charging across 'no mans land'... I think we should send them in.....It might put the fear of god in them Fuzzy Wuzzy robe wearing poppy pickers... Why not bribe them with a years supply of Bath Salts or The Scissor Sisters new Album...Eh..? Send the buggers over... ;D Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/94098/queers-allowed-fight#ixzz46YnaNGWi
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Post by mumf on Apr 22, 2016 13:19:48 GMT
Speaking of which, it's amazing what Google throws up Should Queers be allowed to fight.... ...for this country in all these foreign conflicts.? Just imagine a platoon of British fairies stinking of whatever queers stink of ...ready to launch an attack in deepest Helmand province. Manicured nails , posters of Boy George..and immaculately trimmed eyebrows charging across 'no mans land'... I think we should send them in.....It might put the fear of god in them Fuzzy Wuzzy robe wearing poppy pickers... Why not bribe them with a years supply of Bath Salts or The Scissor Sisters new Album...Eh..? Send the buggers over... ;D Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/94098/queers-allowed-fight#ixzz46YnaNGWiExcellent post ... We just need Pissy Pants to join in now and we can stage our version of The Three Amigo's .... Ooohh. ...you are awful .....but I like you .
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Post by manmarking on Apr 22, 2016 13:37:20 GMT
Speaking of which, it's amazing what Google throws up Should Queers be allowed to fight.... ...for this country in all these foreign conflicts.? Just imagine a platoon of British fairies stinking of whatever queers stink of ...ready to launch an attack in deepest Helmand province. Manicured nails , posters of Boy George..and immaculately trimmed eyebrows charging across 'no mans land'... I think we should send them in.....It might put the fear of god in them Fuzzy Wuzzy robe wearing poppy pickers... Why not bribe them with a years supply of Bath Salts or The Scissor Sisters new Album...Eh..? Send the buggers over... ;D Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/94098/queers-allowed-fight#ixzz46YnaNGWiExcellent post ... We just need Pissy Pants to join in now and we can stage our version of The Three Amigo's .... Ooohh. ...you are awful .....but I like you . Love you too mate Since you enjoyed the last one, here's another. We could compile a Greatest Hits package. people such as I , prefer to call a spade a spade , and would prefer if they (all immigrants & religions ) stayed in their own country and were helped by their own governments or by charity donations. It's all to do with nationalistic pride you see. 'Sunday best' as I fondly like to call it. Clean shoes , clean clothes , smart hair , and respect for the community. I don't want to see Mosques , shitty taxis , and Asian men walking around in pyjamas dragging their wives and numerous kids behind them . Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/193651#ixzz46YuxAeWA
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 22, 2016 13:38:00 GMT
Mumf's intention now will be to get this thread shitbinned as soon as possible and he will be trying to provoke a slanging match to achieve that end.
Don't bite is my advice.
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Post by mumf on Apr 22, 2016 14:19:24 GMT
There you go Admin..... Add this thread to your list that will need to be locked very soon due to spamming and antagonism . Just make sure you remember their names .... manmarking pissypants skankmonkey . You asked me to name names .....So it's up to you now . I think 'pop' was deleted . I have tried using the PM service .....but it just gets ignored . Mumf
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 22, 2016 14:39:48 GMT
On the subject of the Holocaust, the usually excellent "Unreported World" tonight 19.30 on Channel 4 is about tens of thousands of ageing survivors who are currently living in poverty in Israel despite the billions of dollars of reparations paid. That's teletexts description anyway.
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Post by mumf on Apr 22, 2016 15:07:23 GMT
Is there owt on stalking by the three amigos?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 22, 2016 15:27:31 GMT
Is there owt on stalking by the three amigos? Bigger fish to fry I imagine mate. Where on earth are carps and Harry when you need em, eh?
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Post by mumf on Apr 22, 2016 15:29:55 GMT
Is there owt on stalking by the three amigos? Bigger fish to fry I imagine mate. Where on earth are carps and Harry when you need em, eh? Chase me.
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Post by starkiller on Apr 22, 2016 15:37:22 GMT
I've said for years, fuck the NUS. Despicable organisation with active links to terrorist organisations (I'm not joking). They're a hypocritical bunch of fuck wits who somehow maintain funding from the tax payer. The fact the NUS exists and the fact that it costs £30,000 study for a degree tells you all you need to know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2016 16:12:25 GMT
Shotgun I'm Chevy Chase.
Here's one for El Guapo:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 6:25:12 GMT
Bigger fish to fry I imagine mate. Where on earth are carps and Harry when you need em, eh? Chase me. I've only been on here for a few days and I must say that reading your posts I can only assume that you are a bloody imbecile and an unpleasant, uneducated one at that. As an asian man I find this comment to be particularly disgusting and racist. "I don't want to see Mosques , shitty taxis , and Asian men walking around in pyjamas dragging their wives and numerous kids behind them ."
On only my 2nd post on here I asked for advice on getting my radio fixed and you suggested that I get a new spark plug. Next time you come to visit me at my surgery with a heart problem, perhaps I might prescribe a gas mask for you. You seem to like nicknames and insults so from now on I shall refer to you as Dumf until you can prove to me that this nickname is not suitable.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 23, 2016 10:12:39 GMT
"Unreported World" made for fairly depressing viewing last night. Around 40,000 ageing Holocaust survivors are living below the poverty line in Israel. Forced to root through bins and market waste to eat; and living in sheds and other unheated makeshift accommodation because the charity and allowances they receive are pitiful. This is despite the billions of dollars of reparations paid by Germany since the war. It was appalling.
The programme pointed out that the coordinating committee in New York responsible for disbursing the money internationally has been rotten with corruption. Several officers are currently serving time. Funds also appear too have been diverted to other projects by the Israeli state.
BY far the most depressing thing, for me, though was an old chap who said that he feels shunned in his own country and that Israeli society views holocaust survivors as shameful. He said that survivors are seen as being too passive in their treatment in the camps and that they should have fought back.
Terrible stuff.
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Post by Skankmonkey on Apr 25, 2016 11:59:11 GMT
Did no one else see this prog? Uncomfortable viewing.
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